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Message started by srinath on 05/14/09 at 07:10:41

Title: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/14/09 at 07:10:41

I just did this on the GS500 site. We count assemblies as 1, like carb = 1, engine = 1, forks (both) = 1. Cos commonly you start splitting them, no one wants to buy it so ebay and here we dont - smart, but it is the way I'd count it.

Cables, hoses, grommets, bolts, rubber buttons and other rubbery BS like straps and trim and weather stripping etc is not counted.

2-4-10 of something = 1 as in all 4 turn signals = 1.

Then stuff that wont come off with conventional tools (wrenches, allens, etc) are 1, like the neck lock (How the F&(k do you get it off anyway).
OK so I'll start.
1. f wheel.
2. f. axle.
3. F Disk.
4. F Brake system (yes, dont split crap that got fluid in it).
5. F fender.
6. Fork legs.
7. lower triple.
8. upper triple.
9. Bar.
10. Risers
11. headlight.
12. Turn signals.
13. horn.
14. left switch.
15. Right switch.
16. Turn signal carriers.
17. clucth perch.
18. Cables.
19. Dash/speedo.
20. frame.

GS 500 ended with ~57 (on going count but doubt its going up drastically). I'd guess savage also ends up right around there.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by Phelonius on 05/14/09 at 09:57:51

More than enough.

Phelonius

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by marshall13 on 05/14/09 at 10:07:46

there are 4 types of tools for the neck "lockring"... one is a socket with protruding pins(ala dana 60 full floating axle outer bearing tool), one is a wrench shaped like the letter "C" with a bucktooth at either terminus of the "C"... one is like the "C" tool, only it has a single bucktooth(only engages 1 notch), and the last is probably the one used most often, a punch(really the ultimate wrong tool for the job)... suzuki dealers can get the right tool for you... if you have a lockring handy, you can go to a snapon truck(or their various competition), and the tool fool can match the wrench to the ring.... yes, a punch will "work", but it wont allow you to properly adjust the nut... kind of like using a hammer to turn a large nut....

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/14/09 at 13:33:35

Neck lock nut - I have made a tool for it - out of a 22 mm socket I believe. Because I do so many GS500 front end swaps.
Its not what I was asking though, the steering lock mechanism - that lock.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 05/14/09 at 13:47:27

21: Rear wheel
22: Rear axle
23: Swingarm
24: Clutch lever
25: F. brake lever
26: R brake pedal
27: Gear shift
28: Gear shift linkage rod
29: Engine
30: That weird nut hooking handlebars to seat

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by Phelonius on 05/14/09 at 16:26:30

0E3839223F16333E243E570 wrote:

21: Rear wheel
22: Rear axle
23: Swingarm
24: Clutch lever
25: F. brake lever
26: R brake pedal
27: Gear shift
28: Gear shift linkage rod
29: Engine
30: That weird nut hooking handlebars to seat

#30 comes in many sizes shapes and configurations. It is a safety device if it works properly. If it doesn't ts'not.

Phelonius

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/15/09 at 07:48:10

30. seats.
31. sissy bar.
32. rear fender.
33. regulator.
34. ignition box.
35. belt guards.
36. Belt and pulleys.
37. R. shocks
38. Battery box.
39. Tool box cover and lock and plate.
40. Carb.
41. Airbox.
42. Air filter.
43. side covers.
44. Tank.
45. Foot control plates.
46. Exhaust.
47. Exhaust heat sheilds.
48. Tail light.
49. Horn.
50. Wiring harness.
51. decompression solenoid (if you dont call it part of the wiring that is).

Oh yea I forgot ... ugly ass oil leak on it.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by AngloSaxon on 05/15/09 at 08:11:47

41405B5C53465A320 wrote:

Generally, to remove a cylinder lock such as noted, you will need the master core key. Otherwise, you will have to drill it out.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by marshall13 on 05/15/09 at 10:13:11

0A252C2724182A3324254B0 wrote:

[quote author=41405B5C53465A320 link=1242310241/0#3 date=1242333215]Neck lock nut - I have made a tool for it - out of a 22 mm socket I believe. Because I do so many GS500 front end swaps.
Its not what I was asking though, the steering lock mechanism - that lock.
Cool.
Srinath.

Generally, to remove a cylinder lock such as noted, you will need the master core key. Otherwise, you will have to drill it out.[/quote]
think it's a core key type like a best-falcon? the fact that the bike bandit fiche lists it as a "dealer repair only" kind of gave me the impression thay it's got a retainer you have to drill to get to.... like those mid-70s ford column locks, or a shear head retaining bolt like the same vintage gm's.... kinda need a cylinder in my grubby paw to be sure....lol

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/15/09 at 10:19:05

I had one when I bought a lock set off ebay.
Its not really one of those you need a master anything ...
I believe you turn it left - counter clock wise from the unlock position pull it forward and back to the straight up and down position and it will come sliding out.
I think that is how ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by diamond jim on 05/15/09 at 10:20:04

Counting each and every washer, nut, screw, wire, etc. - 1,186 pieces.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/15/09 at 10:27:24

52. Battery itself.
53. cables.
54. Hoses for fuel, and what not.

I cant think of much else.

55. Mirrors.
56. reflectors.

That prolly is it.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by marshall13 on 05/15/09 at 10:29:10

77766D6A65706C040 wrote:

a "core key" just has an extra cut(or lack of a standard cut) to actuate a retainer... does the cyl have a hole in the face(off set from the keyway)? it really looks like a fairly standard wafer-lock, as opposed to pins(like on a desk drawer).... the retainer can be as simple as an extra wafer that rides a groove.... but usually the removal operation of a cylinder will require something more than the stock key, just to keep me from accidentally dis-assembling it on the street....

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/15/09 at 11:37:32

That lock actually has a 4 pin design and its one of the hardest to pick I have felt.
The pins are round and tiny and sit on springs in that projection it has. When you remove it, you're lining up one of the projections on the cylinder to that projection pullin it out 1 mm, then around a key way and back behind the projection ... if I remember (which is really really iffy at best).
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by Duane on 05/15/09 at 12:28:54

7479717D7F7E747A797D100 wrote:

Counting each and every washer, nut, screw, wire, etc. - 1,186 pieces.

Sounds about right.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/15/09 at 12:58:20

The treating assemblies as 1 is because usually you tend to buy those assemblies as 1. I recently bought a carburetor, not 35 parts that made up that carb ... engine, same thing, usually they may sell off a starter here or a alternator there, but any more than that and the saleability of the thing drops like a rock.
A whole motor will sell for more than the components put together. I bought a whole good motor from my friend eyeore ... he was being nice and he had a clip that it worked etc, but I was not going to buy anything that had to have stuff located ... that motor does need a rebuild, the head gasket was made up of what looked like duct tape goo ... but still a complete motor is worth some money $, more if you can prove it runs, and even more if its useable as is, and a crank shaft + pistons + cams + rocker box + valves + springs + head casting +cases+ transmission is not.

Anyway only assemblies we have in here are engine, carb, forks, and wiring harness. What else ? Headlight - yea has 3 parts.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by Duane on 05/15/09 at 13:01:33

“The whole is more than the sum of its parts.”
Aristotle

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by srinath on 05/15/09 at 13:06:16

5465717E75100 wrote:

“The whole is more than the sum of its parts.”
Aristotle

Title: Re: How many parts does a savage have.
Post by marshall13 on 05/15/09 at 20:08:11

6B6A7176796C70180 wrote:

[quote author=5465717E75100 link=1242310241/15#16 date=1242417693]“The whole is more than the sum of its parts.”
Aristotle

Not if you are suzuki ...

BTW in the 80's and 90's (before internet) the junkyards will sell the crap for 1/2 if retail only and only 1 part at a time - you remember those days. Its now so bad that you can barely get the $$ you bought the thing for if you part it out. So many parts of this and other budget bikes you cannot give away ...
1/2 of a GS500 - rear wheel, rear shock, front suspension ... exhaust, air box and related ... much more ... totally worthless.
Cool.
Srinath.
[/quote]
way sad if you have a huge pile of parts you dont want.... way joyous if you need a part!! cmon, half the appeal of this bike is the economy of it.... you can buy frames for 100 bucks or less.... a wiring harness for 25..... not that it would be cheap to build an entirely ebay bought frankenstein, but the majority of parts are a bargain....