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Message started by dale2099 on 05/06/09 at 12:15:55

Title: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/06/09 at 12:15:55

Hello I am new to the suzukisavage.com so Hi I have a problem I was wondering if you could help me with.... When the bike is running it wil start going tick tick tick tick sounds like a valve ajustment so brought it into the shop and got the ajustment done that didi not work so they brought it in and they could not figure it out and now they are refunding the $800 I have dumped into it any help would be good at this point..... :'(

Thanks

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by marshall13 on 05/06/09 at 12:41:28

check the tech section under cam chain adjuster.... sound like you need a vershlagy....

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/09 at 13:00:00

First, slow down, get a manual, hang out here & look at a few threads on engine/valve noise & cam chain threads.

How many miles on your bike?

Never spend $800.00 on this bikes engine. Either fix it yourself or toss a used engine in.
Some Ticking is not only normal, but absolutely required, as the valvetrain MUST make some noise.
Have you used a stethoscope/screwdriver to listen to where this ticking is coming from? If its down on the right side of the engine, thats cam chain. If you have 15,000 miles or so, you should be looking at the cam chain adjuster, right away.
If the ticking is from high up on the engine, that would be valves. Adjusting them is kinda scary the first few times, but it gets to feeling "Normal" after youve done it & not wrecked anything a few times.

Now, if its neither one of those, then the possibilities start costing some $$$. I'd start here & I expect your problem is no big, costly problem,
That someone is refunding your $$$ is simply amazing. I am impressed with them for that.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by verslagen1 on 05/06/09 at 13:28:37

Is it a tic tic tic or a toc toc toc ?

Your 1st post so we don't know you from a hole in the ground.

Tell us about you and your bike

How many miles? how long have you've had it? Have you had bikes before? where are you? etc.

of immediate concern is the cam chain adjuster, we need miles to know how far back to stand while you run it up. You can find the inspection procedure in the tech section, find cam chain adjuster yada yada. all is explained in there.

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Post by Rockin_John on 05/06/09 at 13:29:21

Dale... ? I'm curious what all they had previously repaired or replaced for $800 that they were willing to refund when they couldn't find the problem?

That information, and info on the age and mileage on the bike; how long you've owned it, and when, where and under what circumstances did the "ticking" start? All this info might help with diagnosis.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/06/09 at 14:14:54

Hi everyone

This is my bike:

1996 Savage
13011k

lets see...
I have done the rings, valves have been done. This is my first bike so lets just say I'm GREEN I went and got the service manual for the ls650. The sound that is coming of it is from what I can hear is of the top. The Ticking does not start at first start but after it has warmed up a bit after about 5k it sounds like time bomb... I was burning oil but after the ring job that stopped. ANY HELP would be VARY WELCOME :-/ Thanx

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/09 at 14:28:07

Thats just 8,000 miles. The racket is from the valve area. What oil you running? Whats the average temp where you are?
What is the valve clearance set at? How long since they were adjusted? In km or miles, not days.
Tighter is quieter, but ya gotta have some room there.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/06/09 at 14:35:09

I did not do the oil change I got the service guys to do it and they did the spring tune up. The avg temp is a nice 65F - 75F or 12C - 21C The Valves were done 15K ago and they were done to spec... :-/

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by PTRider on 05/06/09 at 14:36:09

A mechanic's stethoscope is a great way to locate sounds
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31U9Oa6ww%2BL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Oil burning and piston ring replacement and valve job before 13,000 miles? Was the engine seriously abused? Oil never changed? Wrong oil used?

By the way, many cases of oil burning are due to the rings stuck in the ring grooves by baked in carbon. Cycle-Rx (http://www.auto-rx.com/cycle-rx/index.html) is an ester based product that I've found to be very effective in car engines and transmissions, as Auto-Rx (http://www.auto-rx.com/index.html) (same product, different instructions) to clean the engine internals including reducing oil consumption and improve compression. No, I don't sell it; I buy it and like the results.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/06/09 at 15:51:51

As far as I know it was well taken care of... is it normal for oil to come out of the screw at the front of the bike? It is not alot bit a vary little bit.... odd Does anyone know anybody that works on the LS650 that is good in Ontario that can have a look at it???

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/09 at 17:53:36

Dale, first, take a deep breath. These are Do it yerself bikes. I was scared of mine, too, at first, but by reading the posts here & READING THE MANUAL( ooops caplox, sry), you can save enough $$$ to pay for the tools needed to maintain it pretty quick.
Your valves are way overdue for adjustment.
Your cam chain is in the ballpark for time to service it, too. Maybe a Verslavy would get you some more time. Its worth the $$ & its easy to do.

What work did the shop do that cost $800.00?

oil? From a screw on the front? Which one? Is it chromed & low & on the right side ( as you sit on it)

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by PTRider on 05/06/09 at 18:08:59

Ontario, Canada (big place), or Ontario, California?

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by verslagen1 on 05/06/09 at 18:14:37

There are a few canucks here, they'll have to advise you on where to go.

Your bike does not exhibit the signs of being well cared for. Very unusuall for a valve and ring job to be done so early. Or they saw you coming.

15km is well overdue for a valve adjust.

Do you have an owners manual, there's a link to one some in the tech section.

And how often do you change the oil, should be changed and valves adjusted every 6000km. Search out the winterizing instructions too. I suspect that may be apart of the problem. change oil before storage and after.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/07/09 at 15:26:22

Hey Verslagen I saw a post you did for the rebuild and it sounded like you had the same problem... But only thing I can not find the post again... Could someone point me in the direction of the post???

Thanks again :)

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by verslagen1 on 05/07/09 at 15:31:49

"I hear you knockin'"

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/07/09 at 15:54:03

I still did not find it.... :-/

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by verslagen1 on 05/07/09 at 16:34:42

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1228237514/0

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/07/09 at 16:48:22

Thanks a TON I will keep you guys posted ;D

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by Jay on 05/08/09 at 02:10:06

Hey guys. I know I'm just a novice here. Could the oil leak he describes be the infamous Savage plug/cap leak?

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/09 at 05:52:49

I'm kinda thinking its the chrome oil galley plug.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by verslagen1 on 05/08/09 at 10:03:51

53565B5205070E0E370 wrote:

Which Screw?
On the head?
On the cylinder?
On a cover?

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/08/09 at 17:30:40

I asked, didnt get an answer.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by verslagen1 on 05/08/09 at 17:42:25

Maybe he figures he's screwed. ;D

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/21/09 at 08:20:27

Hi everyone

I found out what happened to the bike after me and my bike guy got it apart... The person that had the bike before me let it run dry then did a bad home job. Bored at home and not at a shop cam and rockers were messed loabes on the cam were almost gone and the pads on the rockers were ~ not (. So now new bore, new piston, new rings, new cam, new rockers, and new valve guides but after all said and done will be just like new lol :o....

FUN FUN

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by DavetheDog on 05/21/09 at 08:59:05

wow… I'm curious as to what the seller told you about this bike before you bought it? Did they say it ran great and has always been taken proper care of?

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/21/09 at 09:10:38

The guy I bought it from bought it from some one for his buddy. His buddy did not have the cash to pay him so he re-sold it to me. ya me lol :-/. But STILL not giving up on the savage ;)

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/09 at 11:39:19

DUUUDE! You didnt go with the Lancer cam?

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/21/09 at 13:56:08

What is a lancer cam? pro's con's?

Thanks :-?

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/09 at 14:45:09

More mid range torque, from a bit more duration. You coulda sent hime your dead/wounded cam & he woulda sent you one that had been built up & reground. Providing the journals werent toast I guess. Maybe you didnt have a decent core, IDK.
Im surprised you didnt need a new head & head cover.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/21/09 at 15:46:03

as far as I know I did not have a good core he showed me what it should look like and for lack of a better word he said mine was toast. In parts it is going to cost me $550cnd and about 10-15hr's to do it all. Just waiting on the parts now... :D

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Post by Yonuh Adisi on 05/21/09 at 16:18:23

Lancers core charge ain't unreasonable and his performance cams are very good.

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/09 at 19:19:35

You might be ahead with a used engine, 15 hrs labor would pay for it & the parts could be returned or sold.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/21/09 at 20:22:30

Ya but all I am waiting on now is is the piston that is on backorder but after that get the bore done and she will be as good as new. But where would I get that cam?

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/21/09 at 20:27:41

From Lancer. Send him a PM,, Im surprised he cant smell us talking about it,.

Title: Re: Sitting on a ticking time BOMB HELP!
Post by dale2099 on 05/22/09 at 06:03:06

K i will pm him and let ya know :)