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Message started by Rocco on 05/02/09 at 16:30:25

Title: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Rocco on 05/02/09 at 16:30:25

i'm sure there will be more where these came from!!

explain 2 me what makes a "bobber chopper" is it the forks?

has anyone heard of a "jigser" i believe it's the gsx-r but i hear some say it, then others look @ me like i'm even more special then i already am lol

and is "shovelhead" an engine? harley right? i see the friggin sticker all over and i hate posing so i'd like 2 clarify...and for the record i don't want a sticker...backfire suits me just fine ahaha

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 05/02/09 at 16:36:00

A shovel head is a type of Harley engine. It get's the name because the head looks like a shovel, same as the knucklehead.

Historically, the term bobber chopper comes from when folks would "chop" things off the bike that they felt were superfluous. Same as bobbing. Later, the term Chopper began to describe bikes with long raked forks because they would chop up the frame to add rake to the neck. Bobber, pretty much stayed the same as meaning they bobbed the extra crap off of it to make the bike lighter.

If I am wrong, someone will sure correct me.

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by serowbot on 05/02/09 at 16:41:04

Bingo!....

Shovelhead, panhead, knucklehead........
I think I'd call the Savage a Blockhead.... :-? ... Buckethead?....

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Rocco on 05/02/09 at 16:42:24

ooooooo!!!! ok, that makes sense! i like rat bikes, and i've seen flat black bikes in the photo gallery....i think maybe a little red pinstriping would be pretty sweet!

thanks for clearing that up! i'm still confused about the jigser thing though! haha

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Rocco on 05/02/09 at 16:45:34

i like the sound of block head!!

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 05/02/09 at 16:51:53

Shovel head
http://www.bikernet.com/news/images/PhotoID15046.jpg

Knuckle head
http://www.knucklehead-bobbers.com/1938_knucklehead/images-hd0150/1938EL-1hkb3-468x484.jpg

Pan head
http://www.tejasthumpcycles.com/Engines/pan/Panhead_Engine.JPG

Blockhead ;D
http://www.bikez.com/pictures/suzuki/2000/367_0_1_2_ls%20650%20p%20savage_Copyright%20(C)%20by%20Bikez.com..jpg

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by verslagen1 on 05/02/09 at 17:18:12

http://suzukisavage.com/gallery/RNichols1.jpg

Chromatically challanged
Baldhead
Wrinkle head
al fresco head.... hmmm, like that one.

cerabelum al fresco. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Rocco on 05/02/09 at 17:24:13

is that yours with the black and blue tank? that thing is gorgeous! i'm asking cuz on the bottom of your post it says red 98

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by serowbot on 05/02/09 at 18:31:26

gixxer ---A suzuki sport bike, series GSXR. Includes the GSXR-600, GSXR-750, GSXR-1000, GSXR-1100, and the Ultimate GSXR-1300 also referred to as Hayabusa.

gixxer --- a blur; known to Yami & Huhnda owners as "a godlike motorcycle"
"my azz just got waxed by a "Gixxer".. ;D

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Rocco on 05/02/09 at 19:27:41

ok, that makes alot of sense! they are very very nice bikes! and i assume they're not the same engines as the savage.....what other bikes have the little thumper in them?

my friend calls it a weedwacker on wheels ahaha

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by odvelasc on 05/02/09 at 19:48:15

KLR 650 has a thumper, Buell Blast has a thumper, 250 marauder has a thumper, JAWA thumperrs, BSA thumpers I am sure there are tons more.

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by marshall13 on 05/03/09 at 09:44:33

sorry kids, blockhead is already spoke for... first gen harley evo's.... "jixxer" does indeed mean gsxr, and no, not nearly the same engine... they carry dual ohc 4 bangers, liquid cooled, these days fuel injected... a "bobber" is one of those "every excess gram pared off" choppers, ie: no front fender, turn signals, rear seat, passenger pegs, very often no front brake, a cut as far as you dare rear fender, sportster tank, usually a side mount plate and tail-light... solo jockey seat is the norm... if you check craigslist in miami, you'll also see 70s vintage japanese streetbikes for sale as "bobbers", though in these cases what you'll see is just a butchered kz750 twin for the most part... a "chopper" dates back to the late 40s... during ww2, many of the aviation mechanics and pilots rode bikes as their "issue transportation", especially in the pacific theater... the mechanics used alot of the high-performance techniques that gave aero engines all that power on the bikes... bumped up compression, bigger valves, welded up and reground cams, etc.... made those issue harley 45s much more powerful... once they got home, and they still wanted to ride, they discovered that most civillian auto/bike production had ceased in '42... thus, tons of older bikes, no new ones (cars too)... so, using the techniques learned in repairing airframes and engines, they modified the available bikes into "customs"... cars had the same techniques used on them, particularly lowering of the roof line "chopping", and lowering of the body on the frame rails "channeling".... the custom bikes were called "choppers" to distinguish them from stock bikes.... this phrase passed on to the earliest issue helicopter in korea, that "mash"-vintage bell whirlybird, because the closest resemblance to it could be found in the stripped out bikes of the ww2 aviators.... harley's various engine models are described by head style since very early on... skipping the "total loss" oilers, and various very early models(suction valve, twin valve, j models, etc), you have flatheads(45, 60, 74, and 80 cubic inch), knuckleheads(60 and 74 cubic inch, overhead valves, mechanical lifters), panheads (a few 60s, vast majority 74s, ohv, hydraulic lifters), shovel heads (74s mostly, the odd late 80 incher, ohv, hydraulic lifters, improved oiling system), blockheads are the early evos, and the current generation of engine is the "twin cam"..... i skipped the sporties and k-models....lol
edit: forgot to mention that flats, knucks, and pans also had "thumper" versions... just 1 jug.... not seen very often....

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by verslagen1 on 05/03/09 at 10:01:35

615C50505C330 wrote:

is that yours with the black and blue tank? that thing is gorgeous! i'm asking cuz on the bottom of your post it says red 98

No, it's in the gallery, needed a pic of a naked head.

http://suzukisavage.com/gallery/RNichols1.jpg

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Charon on 05/03/09 at 13:44:17

There is a some dispute over when a single-cylinder motorcycle becomes a "thumper." As far as I know no one calls a two-stroke a thumper, regardless of displacement. I don't think anyone calls a 50 cc a thumper, nor a 125 cc. Some call 250 cc singles thumpers. More accept the 350 cc as a thumper, I think especially the 350 Ducatis. I believe 500 cc singles and up are always considered thumpers. The name probably derives from the "thump - thump - thump" sound made by singles at relatively low RPM.

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Rocco on 05/03/09 at 14:29:06

marshall13=are u a motorcycle historian?! thanks for all the info, very indepth!

and i love the sound of thumpers...inline fours are just too "not raw" if that makes any sense!

and i was wondering who's bike that is because it's gorgeous!

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by verslagen1 on 05/03/09 at 14:33:44

330E02020E610 wrote:

and i was wondering who's bike that is because it's gorgeous!

Check it out, alot of gorgeous bikes...

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/gallery/pictures.pl

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by marshall13 on 05/03/09 at 15:36:35

4A777B7B77180 wrote:

lol... far from it... just blessed (or cursed) with a great memory, and used to be a huge harley buff... then schwarzegger rode that soft-tail in that lousy movie, and suddenly the wrong element was on harleys(lawyers, stockbrokers, orthodontists, etc)... so, my motorcyle tastes moved south on the cost curve.... lol

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by marshall13 on 05/03/09 at 17:15:45

oh, and by the way... there's no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid reasons not to ask it.... ;D

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Rocco on 05/04/09 at 12:24:34

lol well i think it's pretty cool u can remember all that!

i'm like that with muscle cars, i've even guessed gas mileage correctly lol

and if u say so, i'll keep asking then!

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by srinath on 05/04/09 at 12:43:13

765D54475A5B350 wrote:

The name probably derives from the "thump - thump - thump" sound made by singles at relatively low RPM.

And there is low rpm and not much else. High speed, but still low rpm.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by Charon on 05/06/09 at 05:56:22

To use a phrase from Marvin the Paranoid Android, "I ask for information only." What would be your definition of low RPM? Others on the Forum have complained that the Savage/S40 revs way too high at highway speed. It turns about 4000 at 60 mph, which seems to be right in the middle of the pack.

Using the old rule of thumb that says 4500 feet per minute of piston speed sets the RPM limit of the engine, the S40 would limit at about 7300 RPM. It is reported the S40 has a 6500 RPM rev limiter in its CDI, which gives about 10% safety factor. While it doesn't turn the revs of sportbikes, I don't think I'd classify it as low-revving.

Title: Re: ok here's a couple of stupid ?'s
Post by aliassmith on 05/06/09 at 09:20:24

Harley already has Block head. It was the name for the evolution engine introduced in 83.
The Savage is a thumper, plain and simple, with or without the chrome side plates on the rocker box.
It is a time honored name with historical signifigance.

Aiassmith