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Message started by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 12:54:15

Title: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 12:54:15

***UPDATE*** I've gotten a lot of help that I may have wired my current signals incorrectly, and although that is probably true, I really don't like them and am looking for advice on replacements...

Hey all,

I am having a heckuva time. I changed my stock turn signals, front and back with what (I thought) were some pretty slick signals. Turns out they are not bright enough, and blink strangely. I want to replace them with something LARGER and round (again).

My stock signals were broken, and one of the fork mounts had cracked off, so I cracked off the other one too. So, using the stock ones won't work unless I replace the fork mounts, which looks to be a lot of work since they are a die cast piece that seem to only be able to be installed by taking the front end apart.

I have looked relentlessly online for something that I hoped would work. 3 wire for the front so I can have running lights. I'm really having a very hard time finding ANYTHING that appears as though it will work.

Anyone had a (relatively) easy time replacing their turn signals all around with something that is still very easily visible?

Any suggestions or better yet, links, to what they did, would be immensely appreciated.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/09 at 13:15:27

What did you replace them with? Are they L.E.D.s or incandescent bulbs like stock? When you say flash funny, exactly what do you mean?

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/09 at 13:17:47

suggest you have a wiring problem.
which even if you get new signals, you may or may not have.
suggest you get with it and track down the problem.

Were your signals DOT approved?
Which ones did you get?

c'mon fess up.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 13:30:05

382B3C3D222F292B207F4E0 wrote:

These are the signals
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-Savage-Intruder-Volusia-VL-VS-800-BILLET-SIGNALS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ35598QQihZ012QQitemZ220384510815QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/09 at 13:33:25

I can't tell but it looks like those are L.E.D.s, are they flashing fast, is that what you mean by flashing funny?

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 13:34:01

7E4849524F66434E544E270 wrote:

What did you replace them with? Are they L.E.D.s or incandescent bulbs like stock? When you say flash funny, exactly what do you mean?

I replaced them with incandescent 25/8 watt I believe.
What would happen, is when I did the turn signals, they would not flash very bright, and you could see the opposing signal slightly flash too, though not very noticeably.

I of course could have wired incorrectly, but I didn't see much room for screwing it up. I tried several combinations, most wouldn't work AT ALL, some seemed to cause a shorting.

Shouldn't I be able to just wire up only ONE signal in the 4, and turn on the signal, and it will work correctly, or do I need all 4 wired for the circuit to work as expected?

The rear blinkers seem to do their business just fine.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 13:35:05

05333229341D38352F355C0 wrote:

I can't tell but it looks like those are L.E.D.s, are they flashing fast, is that what you mean by flashing funny?

They are incandescent.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Yonuh Adisi on 03/30/09 at 13:37:11

Okay, so what do you mean by flashing funny? Correction, blink strangely.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/09 at 13:38:49

flashing "funny" in morse code ;D

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/09 at 13:43:36

Yes you can install one at a time.

You may have the ground wire interchanged with one of the signal wires. One of the wires should be ground to frame. Same with the light.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 13:43:50

1224253E230A2F2238224B0 wrote:

Okay, so what do you mean by flashing funny? Correction, blink strangely.

They blink a little faster than I would expect, and dimmer. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like the running light filament is staying lit as well when they flash. And Like I said in a previous post, the flash is "ghosting" on the opposing side.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Savage_Amusement on 03/30/09 at 14:08:14

Does the rears also have 3 wires?

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/09 at 14:23:54

113D203C372021263D203761626262520 wrote:

Does the rears also have 3 wires?

Nope rear are 2 wire, 1 ground 1 signal.
no running light unless you have red lense.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Savage_Amusement on 03/30/09 at 14:27:07

I meant on the after market ones he got. It looks like in the photo that all four of them have 3 wires coming out of them. Black, black with white and a red.

I see no reason why they shouldn't be working. All share a common ground, maybe it is getting feedback from a wrong wire. On the bike Black with a thin white line is ground. Which eventually feed into each other.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by verslagen1 on 03/30/09 at 14:34:49

416D706C677071766D706731323232020 wrote:

I meant on the after market ones he got. It looks like in the photo that all four of them have 3 wires coming out of them. Black, black with white and a red.

yep u r right. 3 wire in the rear.
says they're opt. as running lights. to be legal, need to be red.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 14:42:59

200C110D061110170C110650535353630 wrote:

The rear are 3 wire...and from what I can tell, the rear ones are flashing just fine...

But not to divert...I really DON'T like them anyway, even if they were flashing correctly.

I was more interesting in seeing what replacements other people have done, not using the stock fork mounts, larger than what I have, and that they're happy with.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Savage_Amusement on 03/30/09 at 14:48:11

I HATED the stock front ones. I almost always hate the stock signals on bikes. You can have a really cool bike, and they put stupid turn signals on them. I cut my brackets off (might not have been the best idea) so now I'm working on getting something else going. I will hopefully have something to show here this week. Not everyone will like the location, but that is why it is my bike.

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Mattdw on 03/30/09 at 14:52:51

6C405D414A5D5C5B405D4A1C1F1F1F2F0 wrote:

Have you already bought the signals you are going to mount? Do tell :)

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by Savage_Amusement on 03/30/09 at 15:04:49

Yup, they are pretty small though so may not be what your looking for.
I just got the basic lights from him. I got 4 red and 2 amber. He gives a pretty good discount for buying several at a time. I have an off axle tail light and I'm going to use two of those for extra run/brake and two for run/signal. In the front using two amber ones for run/signal, these are going to be used mostly for late day and night riding. They are pretty bright. They are not for everyone and I understand that.

Website I got them from:
http://www.microlazers.com/servlet/StoreFront

Ones I got:
http://www.microlazers.com/servlet/the-Micro-Optics/Categories

Title: Re: Help from fellow Savagers :)
Post by diamond jim on 03/30/09 at 15:10:06

6D415C404B5C5D5A415C4B1D1E1E1E2E0 wrote:

... Not everyone will like the location, but that is why it is my bike.

That's right! You tell 'em...

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/kidrocktickets-3.jpg

;D

Matt, there are a near infinite number of ways you can mount new signals. Most though will require some kind of simple fab'd bracket or mount.