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Title: HID Headlight conversion Post by Savage Eddie on 03/29/09 at 09:49:03 Has any one installed these yet? im sure they will work fine (according to stuff i read) the wire directly into your existing headlight wiring. they say they draw about 3-5 amps and i was worried about the life of my battery over the riding season and wanted some shared experiences.... (quoted from bikeworld) "A ballast is needed to start the HID light burning, because the light units typically need 30 amps or so at startup, which would overwhelm a motorcycle's electrical system if the lamp was started without a ballast. The ballast provides the increased electrical current at startup without higher amperage. This means that in most cases, the HID light and ballast system can work with the bike's existing fuse and wiring. HID lights take only 5 amps or so after the initial burn." the lights i have chose are 5000k oem white and should annoy the crap out of anyone in my path, or at least catch their attention. http://www.mcculloch-hid.com/ebay/Xentec/XentecKit.jpg http://www.mcculloch-hid.com/ebay/Xentec/HIDcolortemps.jpg |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by thumperclone on 03/29/09 at 10:26:12 even tho the ls has a headlight cut out for start up i think one would want another switch to insure bike is running before power goes to the ballast..depending on ballast start up current... may be a non issue with a big crank... |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by Savage Eddie on 03/29/09 at 10:34:30 i did think about that, maybe wire them into the high beam instead.... |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by verslagen1 on 03/29/09 at 11:10:09 They're issues, one, they're not dot approved. If fact most state not for street use. To be dot approved, it has to be a factory install. The only factory the installs HID lights is harley I think. Your idea to wire it in to the Hi-light switch - cool - I like that, you don't need Hi with those lights anyway. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by PTRider on 03/29/09 at 11:13:43 Does anyone know the rated output of the alternator? If it is less than the mentioned 5 amps (plus the other lights and ignition), forget about it. It isn't really a battery issue unless the alternator puts out less than all the lights & ignition together use and the battery is drawn down every ride and a charger connected every time the motorcycle is parked. I agree with the idea of a switch or relay to switch the headlight off when the starter is cranking. The higher the color temperature (cooler looking light into blue and violet) the more scatter you'll get from haze, wet road mist, etc. Also, the higher the color temperature the more the oncoming driver's eye pupils contract and the less they'll see anything else besides your headlight. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by verslagen1 on 03/29/09 at 11:19:05 Stock lights are 55/60 watts. Some use 100/90 watts. HID lights are 35 watts. The ballast reduces the inrush current to something sustainable. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by Savage Eddie on 03/29/09 at 15:35:10 well i found one article on the alternator/rectifier: "the savage alternator is three phase, output 210 watt at 5000rpm, standard charge output equals 14-15 volt dc at 5000rpm" still cant find info on how many amps the bike requires for the stock setup and if theres any extra. guess ill have to install them and throw a Amps probe on there. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by srinath on 03/29/09 at 16:33:06 657661607F7274767D22130 wrote:
VFR's and a couple other Jap bikes maybe the Vstrom's FJR's etc have HID for the last few years. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by SV og LS on 03/29/09 at 17:07:56 64657E7976637F170 wrote:
Could've been usual H1 and H7 bulbs. I've never heard of a jap bike with factory HIDs but according to BMW website the world's first and only manufacturer to do so, BMW Motorrad now offers ex works the optional dipped xenon headlight designed specifically for motorcycles. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by thumperclone on 03/29/09 at 21:20:27 4243434E42270 wrote:
P=IxE 210 watts/12 volts = 17.5 amps the ls has 2ea. 20 amp circuits one for the starting safety ckt one for the lights and horn might want to run seperate fused circuit from the battery and thru a relay that the hi beam wire controlls i did this for my running lights so they go off when hi beam is on |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by dasch on 03/30/09 at 03:03:22 I installed these on my car. Rating is 35Watt, and when you turn lights on on idle, the engine sound does not change. With OEM 55Watt bulbs, it would change a bit. It kinda tells me that they put less load on the alternator than stock H bulbs. Hope that info helps. Keep looking if it still worries you, there's 21Watt "motorcycle use" HiD kits available. Mine are 5000K, although with this mind I would go for 4300K next time. 5K is pure white, 4300 is closer color to regular incandescent bulbs. Light power and quality is amazing, not sure how drivers/riders coming from opposite direction feel ;-) That's why these kits are technically illegal in most countries. One more thing: what do you mean to wire them to Hi beam switch?? Whatever that meant, note that it takes about 2 seconds for Xenons to get from cold start to 100% output, and then another 5-10 seconds to get the specified light color. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by Savage Eddie on 03/30/09 at 05:07:04 bright switch theory: When i start my bike with the low beams on the HID lights wont fire until i switch on the brights. this will direct all the power to starting the bike. also the beam on the HID lights wont be pointed straight out, ill most likely have them pointed about 20-30 feet out to reduce the blinding of the oncoming traffic. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by Savage Eddie on 03/30/09 at 05:10:28 302C312934213627282B2A21440 wrote:
P=IxE 210 watts/12 volts = 17.5 amps the ls has 2ea. 20 amp circuits one for the starting safety ckt one for the lights and horn might want to run seperate fused circuit from the battery and thru a relay that the hi beam wire controlls i did this for my running lights so they go off when hi beam is on [/quote] Thanks Thumper! its seems that thats more than enough to run these lights. if successful ill have the other half of this kit to dump off in the marketplace and the "How i did it" posted in the tech section |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by dasch on 03/30/09 at 06:20:28 3637373A36530 wrote:
I see. But how will you turn the real Hi beam on then? I assume you bought the H4 kit, with little solenoid in the bulb? Y' know what, you could also try to rig the whole thing temporarely to the bike and see how it works in existing setup. As I said, I don't think HID draws any more than stock. I think less, actually. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by thumperclone on 03/30/09 at 08:31:21 323725353E560 wrote:
I see. But how will you turn the real Hi beam on then? I assume you bought the H4 kit, with little solenoid in the bulb? Y' know what, you could also try to rig the whole thing temporarely to the bike and see how it works in existing setup. As I said, I don't think HID draws any more than stock. I think less, actually. [/quote] in rush(start up ) current is unknown, have read can be up to 25x run current for a few miliseconds... |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by dasch on 03/30/09 at 10:20:39 Hmm. I do know the ignition voltage is about 25x the normal (voltage burst is about 80 volts on igniting), but that has nothing to do with current. I am thinking - large increase in amps would burn the car fuse just as well as it would Zuk's alternator... Dunno. I say he rigs it temporarely, put a quick 10Amp fuse in series to protect the system, and fire up. Leave the fuse in, if desired. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by SimonTuffGuy on 03/31/09 at 08:53:55 I ran a set of these (mine were 7k's) in my Festiva for a few months... A few things to note... It was already mentioned aboved. They are NOT DOT approved! I had my Festiva headlights aimed REALLY low and I wasn't flashed once. Remember that an HID housing is designed to aim the light in a specific direction. Putting an HID "bulb" into your stock headlight housing will not aim the beam correctly (and this is the biggest reason people get flashed when they install brighter headlights). Good points: Bright, Less Power, Cool Looking Bad points: Not good in the rain, Possibility of getting flashed? |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by dasch on 03/31/09 at 09:09:58 In some European countries HID is allowed only if it comes with the headlight washing system AND self leveling. Reasons being, they flash slightly when turned on. Self leveling keeps them really low when they are off until they are full brightness, only then they assume normal position, as set by the driver. Not sure about the washers, what's that got to do with anything? |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by Savage Eddie on 05/22/09 at 04:28:19 Just a update guys! the HID light conversion is done! so far all is awesome! the lights work great at night and are pointed down enough not to blind people. the beam shines perfectly and gives out more light than expected, driving at night is a whole new experience. i have this running on the low beam and plan on adding fogs for the high beam in the near future... im using the 5000K and H4 bulb setup puchaced on ebay for 60.00, the kits is for a car so i have a extra if the bulb fails. the ballast is mounted on the right side of the frame under the tank. THIS IS A PLUG AND PLAY kit! remove the headight, swap bulbs and plug it in! SO EASY! http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u248/socomiou1/PICT0301.jpg |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by diamond jim on 05/22/09 at 06:20:34 SE, thanks for the info via PM. This will be one of my future projects. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by dasch on 05/22/09 at 07:44:50 Looks great, Eddie. And bright. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: HID Headlight conversion Post by AngloSaxon on 05/22/09 at 11:57:40 I want me some them there flashy lights. Time to turn the tables on those F**kin' high end SUV's that are always blinding me. |
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