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Message started by Charon on 03/09/09 at 06:29:10

Title: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by Charon on 03/09/09 at 06:29:10

There has been some kvetching on the Forum about the high engine RPM of the Savage/S40. I happened to remember that Motorcycle Consumer News publishes engine RPM at 65 MPH on many of the motorcycles they test. They note that the RPM is at 65 MPH true, not indicated. Unfortunately their test of the Savage did not include that data, so I calculated it using the Owner's Manual. I then dug through about five years worth of tests and produced a spreadsheet of over a hundred bikes. The RPMs varied from a little over 2000 for a couple of Harley models to over 8000 for a 250 Ninja. The Savage, with my calculated 4300 RPM at 65 MPH, was just about in the middle. I do not know whether there is a way to post the spreadsheet (it is in OpenOffice) on here, but if someone does I'll be happy to post it. I thought about cut-and-paste, but I suspect the Forum will destroy the formatting.

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/09 at 06:59:57

I use 'print screen' to capture the screen then paste it in new document in a program that can save 'jpg'

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by Savage_Amusement on 03/09/09 at 07:55:30

MS paint will do what you want it to and it is really easy.

Hit print screen on the keyboard. Open MS paint, go to edit, click on paste. Crop or do whatever you want to, then save as. Save it where you want and presto changeo magic!

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/09 at 08:00:14

So that lump O Aluminum runs to the top O the cylinder 4,300 times in a minute at 65...Thats pretty busy for a Big Phat single. I dont think its at all unpleasant, tho.

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by spike on 03/09/09 at 08:18:12

That's a whole lot of shake'n gone on lol :P

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by T Mack 1 on 03/09/09 at 10:03:49

I can tell you that 75 is 5000.... ::)

This weekend I test drove my bike "Before & After" doing the TKat brace. Ran the interstate to do rain grooves. needless to say I was keeping up with traffic no problems when I thought, "wonder how fast I'm going " .... look down and it said 75, and then I looked up at the tach, 5000....

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by verslagen1 on 03/09/09 at 10:17:16

And 5500 is 83mph ;D (for scale this is the 75 mph grin)

The 95 mph grin is these 2 combined ;D :o

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by Charon on 03/09/09 at 11:10:37

I tried a simple cut-and-paste into a post here, and it did as I expected. It compressed the lines leftward so columns don't line up. Depending on the width of your display, it probably does some line-wrapping, too. I have said before I won't even bother to open an account on any of the "services" such as Photobucket.

MANUFACTURER MODEL Model Year Displacement Configuration RPM @ 65 MPH MAX RPM % RPM @ 65 MPH
Harley-Davidson Sportster 883L 2005 883 V-2 2100 6000 35
Polaris Victory Hammer 2005 1634 V-2 2400 5750 41.74
Triumph Rocket III 2004 2294 I-3 2500 6500 38.46
Victory Vision Tour 2008 1731 V-2 2500 5200 48.08
Harley-Davidson FXWGI Dyna Wide Glide 2005 1448 V-2 2503 5500 45.51
Harley-Davidson FLTR Road Glide 2009 1584 V-2 2570 5750 44.7
Yamaha Roadliner S 2006 1854 V-2 2650 5170 51.26
Harley-Davidson CVO Fat Boy 2005 1690 V-2 2800 5500 50.91
Buell Ulysses 2008 1203 V-2 2940 6500 45.23
Yamaha Royal Star Tour 2005 1294 V-4 3058 6600 46.33
Honda GL1800A 2004 1832 O-6 3100 6500 47.69
Kawasaki Concours 14 2008 1352 I-4 3190 10000 31.9
Suzuki Boulevard M109R 2006 1783 V-2 3350 7500 44.67
BMW K1200LT 2005 1171 I-4 3400 8500 40
Benelli Tre K 2008 1131 I-3 3425 9500 36.05
Buell XB12X Ulysses 2006 1203 V-2 3440 6600 52.12
Buell XB12Ss Lightning Long 2006 1203 V-2 3440 6600 52.12
BMW R1200S 2006 1170 O-2 3500 8750 40
BMW R1200ST 2005 1170 O-2 3500 7500 46.67
BMW R1200RT 2005 1170 O-2 3500 7500 46.67
Kawasaki Vulcan 2000 2004 2053 V-2 3500 5000 70
Yamaha FJR1300 2007 1298 I-4 3540 9250 38.27
Honda ST1300 2007 1261 V-4 3540 8750 40.46
Ducati ST4s/ABS 2004 996 V-2 3590 10000 35.9
Kawasaki ZX-14 2008 1352 I-4 3600 11000 32.73
Kawasaki Ninja ZX-14 2006 1352 I-4 3600 10750 33.49
Yamaha FJR1300AE 2006 1298 I-4 3600 9250 38.92
BMW R1200R 2007 1170 O-2 3600 7900 45.57
Moto Guzzi Breva 1200 Sport 2008 1151 V-2 3675 8000 45.94
BMW Megamoto 2008 1170 O-2 3760 8000 47
Suzuki Bandit 1250S 2007 1255 I-4 3770 9500 39.68
Ducati Hypermotard 2007 1078 V-2 3770 8700 43.33
Harley-Davidson XR1200 2009 1203 V-2 3770 7000 53.86
Kawasaki Concours 2005 997 I-4 3800 10500 36.19
Moto Guzzi Breva 1100 2006 1064 V-2 3800 8250 46.06
BMW R1200GS 2004 1170 O-2 3810 7250 52.55
BMW R1200GS 2004 1170 O-2 3810 7250 52.55
Suzuki B-King 2008 1340 I-4 3828 10800 35.44
Ducati GT 1000 2007 992 V-2 3830 8700 44.02
BMW K1200GT 2006 1157 I-4 3850 10000 38.5
Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa 2008 1340 I-4 3860 11000 35.09
Ducati 1098S 2007 1099 V-2 3860 10600 36.42
BMW K1200S 2005 1157 I-4 3900 10750 36.28
KTM Adventure 990 2008 999 V-2 3900 9500 41.05
Triumph Sprint ST 2005 1050 I-3 3960 9500 41.68
Moto Guzzi Norge 1200 2007 1151 V-2 3980 7800 51.03
BMW F800ST 2007 798 I-2 4000 8750 45.71
Ducati Multistrada 1000S DS 2005 992 V-2 4000 8700 45.98
Buell 1125R 2008 1125 V-2 4010 10500 38.19
Aprilia Tuono 1000R 2009 998 V-2 4015 10500 38.24
KTM 950 Adventure 2004 942 V-2 4040 9500 42.53
Moto Guzzi Griso 1100 2007 1064 V-2 4040 8250 48.97
Harley-Davidson VRSCX V-Rod 2007 1245 V-2 4050 9000 45
Ducati ST3 2005 992 V-2 4070 9800 41.53
Ducati ST3 2005 992 V-2 4070 9800 41.53
Ducati 848 2008 849.4 V-2 4075 10800 37.73
Triumph Thruxton 2005 865 I-2 4130 7500 55.07
Harley-Davidson VRSCR Street Rod 2006 1130 V-2 4200 9000 46.67
Triumph Tiger 1050 2007 1050 I-3 4250 9500 44.74
Ducati S2R Monster Dark 2005 803 V-2 4250 8750 48.57
Honda CBR1000RR 2006 998 I-4 4260 12200 34.92
BMW K1200R 2006 1157 I-4 4270 10500 40.67
Honda CBR1000RR 2004 998 I-4 4300 12200 35.25
Suzuki Boulevard S40 2007 652 Single 4300 6500 66.15
Kawasaki KLR650 2008 651 Single 4320 7800 55.38
BMW F800GS 2009 798 I-2 4370 9000 48.56
MZ MZ1000S 2005 998 I-2 4380 9400 46.6
Moto Guzzi Nevada V750ie 2005 744 V-2 4475 8000 55.94
Moto Guzzi Breva V750ie 2004 744 V-2 4475 8000 55.94
Yamaha FZ1 2006 998 I-4 4520 12000 37.67
Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R 2004 998 I-4 4600 12600 36.51
Yamaha FZ1 2004 998 I-4 4600 11500 40
Suzuki GSX-R1000 2006 998.6 I-4 4630 14200 32.61
Triumph Speed Triple 2006 1050 I-3 4700 9500 49.47
Ducati Monster 695 2007 695 V-2 4740 9200 51.52
Yamaha FZ6 2007 600 I-4 4750 13300 35.71
Honda VFR800FI ABS Interceptor 2006 781 V-4 4750 11500 41.3
Honda VFR800FI ABS Interceptor 2002 781 V-4 4750 11500 41.3
Triumph Tiger 2005 955 I-3 4860 9500 51.16
Kawasaki Ninja 650R 2007 649 I-2 4870 10800 45.09
Yamaha YZF-R1S 2004 998 I-4 4890 13750 35.56
MV Agusta Brutale 910S 2006 909.1 I-4 4930 12000 41.08
Kawasaki Z750S 2005 748 I-4 4940 11500 42.96
Kawasaki KLR650 2006 651 Single 4950 7500 66
Ducati Multistrada Dark 2006 618 V-2 4960 11000 45.09
Kawasaki Ninja 650R 2006 649 I-2 4980 11000 45.27
Kawasaki Ninja 500 2004 498 I-2 5100 11500 44.35
Kawasaki Versys 2008 649 I-2 5130 10300 49.81
Suzuki DL650 V-Strom 2004 645 V-2 5150 10000 51.5
Honda 599 2004 599 I-4 5160 13000 39.69
Suzuki GSX-R750 2007 749 I-4 5200 14400 36.11
Kawasaki Z1000 2007 953 I-4 5220 10900 47.89
Suzuki GS500F 2004 487 I-2 5300 11000 48.18
Suzuki SV650S 2007 645 V-2 5300 10250 51.71
Yamaha YZF600R 2006 599 I-4 5343 13900 38.44
Honda CBR600F4i 2006 599 I-4 5513 14500 38.02
Triumph Daytona 650 2005 646 I-4 5550 14000 39.64
Triumph Daytona 675 2006 674.8 I-3 5570 13600 40.96
Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 2005 636 I-4 5600 14500 38.62
Kawasaki Ninja ZZR600 2006 599 I-4 5647 14800 38.16
Yamaha FZ6 2004 600 I-4 5680 14000 40.57
Piaggio MP3 500 Scooter 2008 492.7 Single 5680 8400 67.62
Triumph Street Triple 2008 675 I-3 5700 12200 46.72
Suzuki GSX650F 2008 656 I-4 5860 11900 49.24
Suzuki DRZ400SM 2005 398 Single 6170 9750 63.28
Aprilia SXV 5.5 2008 549 V-2 6300 10900 57.8
Suzuki Burgman 650 2004 638 I-2 6950 10000 69.5
Kawasaki KLX250SF 2009 249 Single 7400 10000 74
Kawasaki Ninja 250R 2008 249 I-2 8125 13000 62.5

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by Moofed on 03/09/09 at 12:08:50

Google Docs to the the rescue! I took the liberty of sorting it by brand and adding in some average calculations.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pYLfDlU8n0a6Wce2Rp0OuZA

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by Charon on 03/09/09 at 12:54:18

Looks a lot better. I had sorted it from low to high by RPM at 65 mph, which is how the S40/Savage ended up in the middle. I thought about calculating the mean and standard deviation, too, but didn't. Thanks for finding the way to do it.

Title: Re: Engine RPM @ 65 MPH
Post by Charon on 03/10/09 at 16:42:54

I did some further playing with my spreadsheet, and added a column to it. It is Average Feet Traveled per Power Stroke. It has to be average, because most V-twins and many parallel twins do not have even firing orders. The S40/Savage travels about 2.66 feet every time it fires, and is bested only by an 883 Sportster. If anyone is interested I'll post the whole thing.