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Message started by seviersavage on 02/16/09 at 08:41:05

Title: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by seviersavage on 02/16/09 at 08:41:05

I went a little nuts this winter and bought some performance upgrades including this Nology plug wire. Suppose to give 300% increase in spark and also faster duration. Haven't put it on yet. I'm wondering If anyone has had any experience with this product? Is it worth it?
Has a lifetime guarantee and dyno tests that show increase in horsepower and fuel economy. If you believe them.
What says the collective wisdom of this forum?
Seviersavage

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by serowbot on 02/16/09 at 09:39:46

once your sparkplug has enough spark to ignite the gas in the cylinder,... that's all you get...
more spark means nothing....

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by BigSingle on 02/16/09 at 09:55:37

Just in general the wire itself wont produce more horsepower and torque. Now compared to a stock wornout wire it would "produce" or "free" up some....I guess is the way to say it. Sure a hotter bigger spark is "better" but really teh biggest thing you may notice is some throttle responce but then again depends on how everything else is running.....

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/09 at 10:07:03

Certainly a weak spark will affect performance.
If this this is quicker to spark, it will advance timing, something all the hot rodders do is advance the timing quite a bit.

You're the 1st on this, lead on. we need a performance eval, hop to it, I want to see a sluggo type burn out video by the end of the day ;D

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by T Mack 1 on 02/16/09 at 13:31:30

just a note, the sprak plug wire and HV coil are one piece. The cap comes off but the wire is molded on.

If you pull the wire out, then you need to find the inner wirre, and do some creative drilling to get some kind of pin in there to make contact.

I think you would loose any advantage the wire gives.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by thumperclone on 02/16/09 at 15:27:44

these wires have a capacitor built in that gives a(claimed)5% h.p. increase, $36 plus shipping( say $5 ),thats $26 per h.p. gained,assuming your bike is 30 h.p.
doesnt seem cost effective for 1.5 h.p.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by seviersavage on 02/16/09 at 16:21:40

Thumperclone,
Yeah it does seem expensive for the gain but also you get a little better MPG, plus I'm closer to 36, 37 horse power so my gain is a little more. Hey I already said I went a little nuts. ::)

T Mack 1,
It is spliced to the coil with a supplied piece, I called Nology and they said no decrease in perfromance gain if you use the splice.

Verslagen 1
BigSingle
Serowbot
Here's my seat of the pants evaluation after my first test run.
She seemed to start and idle normally, hey that was comforting after cutting off my plug wire.
First thing I noticed was my exhaust seemed an octave deeper?
Also my bike takes about 3 or 4 miles to really warm up in the cold weather were having, tonight that distance was cut in half roughly.
She had better manners during warm up too.
But the biggest difference I can put on record was roll on response from mid range was very much stronger. Heck the whole throttle range felt crisper. My impression was like my first white spacer mod on my old carburator, a noticable difference.
My feeling is I gained a measurable increase in response and a little horsepower. Or maybe I'm fully using previously untapped power due to a more violent faster burn of the fuel mixture. At any rate my experience has been the hotwire really did make a difference.
Seviersavage

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/09 at 17:00:21

Still want to see a burn out video, might have to turn to sluggo tv. :(

So give us the low down, what did you order, how much, from whom and install instructions and pict's. ;D

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by BigSingle on 02/16/09 at 17:13:33

Well thats cool...glad you did notice something besides a lighter wallet ;D Im sure at some point I will change something over like this. Thanks for the info....GIVE MORE lol :D

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/09 at 17:17:22

ok, found this rather dire warning.

http://iwcweb.com/eclipse/html/warning.html

After reading it, it made sense. All capacitors have finite life. 10 to 20 years for those electrolic ones in most electronic crap. The insulators just don't last.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by seviersavage on 02/16/09 at 18:14:51

I did read that site, It's the only bad report I came across.
Anyone can have a bad experience with a product, one bad report does not a bad product make. Also the plug wire is guaranteed for as long as I own the bike.
I am willing to take a chance and see how we fare for the long haul.
As for now I'm completely impressed with the mod.
I got the Hotwire from Thunder products, Lonn recommended it. Took me all of 10 minutes to install. I think It was about 30 something dollars. Plug wire seems to be the finishing touch to my performance mods. Only time will tell If It will last.
Seviersavage

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by BigSingle on 02/16/09 at 18:38:31

have up "upgraded" the plug? I would go with a NGK IRD...but thats just me...Im sure everyone has their prefrence....

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by seviersavage on 02/16/09 at 18:52:18

I have the NGK plug, Nology says it has to be a non resister type- which all ngk's are.
Seviersavage

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by SV og LS on 02/16/09 at 19:47:37

1112070C010710150B0E0E0B030F11620 wrote:

I have the NGK plug, Nology says it has to be a non resister type- which all ngk's are.
Seviersavage

Every R series NGK plug has 5kOhm resistor including DPR8EA-9 fitted to a lot of Savages.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by Charon on 02/17/09 at 06:29:26

You can believe whatever you like, but unless I see before and after testing, dyno or dragstrip or top end, I won't believe it makes a difference. Their description matches what I think I know about electronics. The capacitor built into the wire will indeed store charge until the voltage builds up enough to fire the plug - which means the spark will be delayed by probably a few microseconds. When the spark does fire the current will likely be slightly higher, making a slightly hotter spark. But, if the spark was already hot enough to fire the charge, hotter won't make a difference. As a crude example, you can light a candle with a match, or an acetylene torch, but the candle is lit just the same and burns at the same rate once lit.

This same sort of claim has been around for decades - probably a century. Different metals for spark plug electrodes, different electrode configurations, different spark plug wires, different spark generators from magnetos through capacitive-discharge systems and even piezoelectric generators. It is usually safe to say that if you noticed a real (not imaginary) difference, your ignition system needed repair in the first place and the "upgraded" parts actually made the repair.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 02/17/09 at 08:01:09

siever, couple action items for you.
one, you need the correct plug, non - R
two, top end test. I have a test hill, the one for checking the main jet. WOT what's the steady state speed? If you got a hill that you've already have a known steady state speed on, run up it again and report.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by seviersavage on 02/17/09 at 15:01:37

I did today find a non resist plug. I will continue to evaluate but all I have is the seat of the pants comparisons. I understand the conventional wisdom is such that most don't believe it makes a difference. My experience has been otherwise. But I still believe most on this site are smarter than I and I'll admitt I'm a newby on bikes.
But I've always wrenched on my trucks, even having the engines in pieces in my basement and back together again. ( no leftover bolts either) :)
I would welcome a hard facts kind of comparison, just don't know how to do it.
verslagen1,
I'll get back to you about the WOT test

Charon,
I believe after reading all I could about the wires that their premise is sound, that the improvement in spark intensity and duration makes a difference. Thats why I risked 40 dollars. For my bike It was noticeable. I don't think my old plug or wire was bad. But you know what, truth is I can't prove it. All I have is my judgement after getting to know the bike and my recognizing the improvement. Makes for interesting debate though huh?
Seviersavage

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 02/17/09 at 15:20:23

If you need to run a comparison test, I'll send you a coil off a '88

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by seviersavage on 02/17/09 at 15:28:09

verslagen1,
I would actually do that ,
Seviersavage

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by thumperclone on 02/17/09 at 16:35:48

from many google searchs there is NO h.p. gain from plug wires..
you replaced a marginal wire with a new one...

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by Super Thumper on 10/25/13 at 17:21:55

In guess all these aftermarket manufacturers of high performance ignition systems are all wrong. Over 40 years of positive dyno results can't be wrong. More spark energy means more power. I attest to this with firsthand experience in building automobile and motorcycle engines for over 40 years myself. Back in the 60's where I got my start building engines a stock ignition coil put out maybe 20,000 volts. The engines however had compression ratios in some cases over 11.5 to 1. the ignition used to break down once RPM exceeded 5500 to 6000 RPM. Higher voltage coils solved this problem. The Even the automobile manufacturers are now using coil on plug High output ignition systems. High compression engines are most responsive to a strong ignition spark...low compression engines not so much. Look at the newest crop of high compression engines coming from Detroit lately...in some cases compression ratios of 11 to 1 with direct fuel injection are becoming common as are ultra high performance ignitions with spark energy approaching 100,000 volts. Higher compression ratios need a stronger spark. Stronger spark means more power and better fuel economy.

Wether the low compression(8.5 to 1) mildly tuned stock Suzuki Savage engine will see positive results from a better ignition is debatable.

But my Savage is anything but stock.....97mm 10.5 to 1 comp. Big Bore Kit, stage I cam, ported cylinder head performance exhaust and more.

I think my high comp engine will like a hotter spark just like all the high compression engines in the past have.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by Rix on 10/25/13 at 18:47:12

Magnecor addresses nology hotwires and other capacitive wires right on their website.
And Magnecor does a very good job of explaining the what and how.

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/26/13 at 03:37:47

7E6D7A7B64696F6D6639080 wrote:

Hmmm,, yea,, thats something to consider,, but on a bike, its vented, so, the temps should be substantially lower, hopefully leading to longer life,

Title: Re: opinions? Nology Hotwire for a Savage
Post by Gyrobob on 10/26/13 at 05:25:21

627C75797778647F7E100 wrote:

Serowbot is correct. Once a spark is delivered at the correct time, nothing else matters.
-- Stock ignition systems, especially if getting old, leaky, inconsistent, etc., can be deficient in delivering a strong spark at the correct time. Replacing those marginal components with new stock components will put things back to normal, and on a stock motor, that is as good as it will get. No woven-by-virgins wires, superdupercharger coils, nine-electrode plugs, or organic gluten-free gaskets will make any difference.
-- The point is that the stock system can be improved upon only when it has deteriorated to the point it is not delivering that spark as Serowbot suggests. The Savage ignition system in good shape on a stock motor will not be helped any by additional gadgetry. In fact, the componentry in the stock system is what we used to call a high-performance high-cost system four decades ago. Those were the times when points and coils with no electronics were the norm and the system we have on the Savage would have seemed like pretty exotic stuff.

"More spark energy means more power." This is only true if the existing spark energy is insufficient. On a stock motor with a stock ignition system functioning normally, there is way more than sufficient spark energy. On a hopped up motor like yours, maybe not. Only testing would show any deficiencies or advantages.

"In [sic] guess all these aftermarket manufacturers of high performance ignition systems are all wrong." Not all of them. Some will tell you the truth, i.e., most stock ignition systems these days are quite sufficient for stock motors.

"Wether [sic] the low compression(8.5 to 1) mildly tuned stock Suzuki Savage engine will see positive results from a better ignition is debatable. " Exactly correct,... or,.. well,.. I would suggest not very debatable in that a stock motor with an ignition system in good shape will not see any improvement with aftermarket gadgetry.