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Message started by diamond jim on 02/04/09 at 21:47:05

Title: A little too customized...
Post by diamond jim on 02/04/09 at 21:47:05

http://prostreetblog.com/__oneclick_uploads/2008/03/290208amd.jpg

Dude won Spain's 2008 Custom Bike Building Championship with an 87 Savage.  

Interesting air filter, though.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Jack_650 on 02/04/09 at 22:09:30

Seeing this just made me have to ask Oldfeller something. If we stretched the back of our bikes out and widened the frame for bigger tires, could we do a two stage thing for the belt drive? You know, use the belt drive on the engine connected to a second with a higher (or lower) gearing right behind it that would then be run to the rear wheel? This could give us an offset so the belt could run back in a straight line and not have to angle outwards around the tire. Then those of us who didn't want to go the chain route could spend a L-O-T of money, have a very strange looking bike to get different ratios to the back wheel AND be the talk of the group at our next therapy session.

Come on oldie, help me out here.

Jack

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Educatedredneck on 02/04/09 at 22:12:16

This guy spent a lot of time on this,  I wonder if he has rode it yet.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by verslagen1 on 02/04/09 at 23:13:29

That's an '00 or better engine.

Must've used one of the industrial belts available.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by SV og LS on 02/05/09 at 01:37:29


647760617E7375777C23120 wrote:
Must've used one of the industrial belts available.


Could be stock belt, pulleys appear to be stock and I can't see any swing arm mods apart from both shocks being on left side.



Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Oldfeller on 02/05/09 at 02:57:46

You are talking about a jackshaft.  They generally shift the drive belt/chain to the other side of the wheel.

Offset chain drive sprockets can be machined up.   They would require something trick about the nut to hold them on (recessed into the offset sprocket).

Wider than what I have now really isn't worth all the extra work to me.  What I have now is a "practical maximum" for the Savage -- what you folks are talking about is cosmetic surgery for appearance sake.   Go to it, it is all yours.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by diamond jim on 02/05/09 at 04:13:15

Looks like he used bike pedals for foot pegs.  

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh128/russ_diamond_jim/pegs.jpg

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Savage_Amusement on 02/05/09 at 13:24:26

The rear brake looks pretty effective. I really like a lot of the elements of the bike.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by serowbot on 02/05/09 at 14:08:15

I want pedals....

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by verslagen1 on 02/05/09 at 14:14:46

The "rat trap" pedals are reminisent of the board track era.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by PipJones on 02/05/09 at 14:24:00

his wooden seat doesn't seem very comfy......


Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Gary On A Savage on 02/05/09 at 16:01:08

More pics here:

http://www.amdchampionship.com/content.php?page=registry&section=viewbike&event=2008world&bikenumber=031

http://img.amdchampionship.com/bikes-2008world-031-a-l.jpg

http://img.amdchampionship.com/bikes-2008world-031-b-l.jpg

http://img.amdchampionship.com/bikes-2008world-031-c-l.jpg

http://img.amdchampionship.com/bikes-2008world-031-d-l.jpg

http://img.amdchampionship.com/bikes-2008world-031-e-l.jpg

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Gary On A Savage on 02/05/09 at 16:02:17

Is that a gas tank or a still?  ;D

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by smokin_blue on 02/05/09 at 18:34:39


4D5E4948575A5C5E550A3B0 wrote:
That's an '00 or better engine.

Must've used one of the industrial belts available.



why??  just looks painted to me. :-/

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by smokin_blue on 02/05/09 at 18:35:24


1F332E32392E2F28332E396F6C6C6C5C0 wrote:
The rear brake looks pretty effective. I really like a lot of the elements of the bike.



Braking the drive line looks cool but is on the dangerous side of things.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by verslagen1 on 02/06/09 at 00:01:39


2F3133373532033E3029395C0 wrote:
[quote author=4D5E4948575A5C5E550A3B0 link=1233812825/0#3 date=1233818009]That's an '00 or better engine.

Must've used one of the industrial belts available.



why??  just looks painted to me. :-/[/quote]

But why paint it exactly like a stock engine?  Silver fin tips and all?

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by mpescatori on 02/06/09 at 01:31:24


756B696D6F6859646A7363060 wrote:
[quote author=1F332E32392E2F28332E396F6C6C6C5C0 link=1233812825/0#7 date=1233869066]The rear brake looks pretty effective. I really like a lot of the elements of the bike.



Braking the drive line looks cool but is on the dangerous side of things.[/quote]

I agree 100%.

A panic stop would cause the belt to jump (skip) the front pulley and the bike would careen into the obstacle.

Goodbye...

On the other hand, the bike looks like it isn't even intended for road use...

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Savage40 on 02/06/09 at 06:00:40


2E283B3016262728163A283F282E2C490 wrote:
Is that a gas tank or a still?  ;D

;D
I like the bronze/brass/whatever, but not really sure I like the frontend.  I like the looks of the basic springers better.  An interesting exhaust though.  The rear brake reminds me of the e-brake on a '48 International I used to drive, drum mounted on the back of the tranny, just before the 1st u-joint: great, unless the driveline breaks, then ya got nothing!  :o

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by ero4444 on 02/06/09 at 10:01:23

The front brake looks ineffective.  Maybe you are supposed to pedal backwards to stop, like a bicycle.

But it is a work of mechanical art.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by serowbot on 02/06/09 at 10:33:48


495E43181818182C0 wrote:
The front brake looks ineffective.  Maybe you are supposed to pedal backwards to stop, like a bicycle.

But it is a work of mechanical art.


There's a front brake?... it does have pedals.....
man, do I want pedals....

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by diamond jim on 02/06/09 at 10:47:52


6472657860757863170 wrote:
.... man, do I want pedals....


Me too!

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by serowbot on 02/06/09 at 11:43:17

O.K., so here goes....
1. I cut off the mounts from a pair of really screwed up footpegs...
2. I'm gonna' have 9/16" nuts welded on to the ends...
3. screw in pedals of your choice...
http://w4.bikepics.com/pics/2009%5C02%5C06%5Cbikepics-1562770-full.jpg


thinking of going old school... like these...
http://www.allproducts.com/sup005/lovson/kci158.jpg
...and presto!....

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by verslagen1 on 02/06/09 at 12:02:39

Remember one is left hand thread.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by serowbot on 02/06/09 at 12:19:11


42514647585553515A05340 wrote:
Remember one is left hand thread.

Rats!.... should have known... that'll take a bit more looking..
thanks for the tip Versy...

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by verslagen1 on 02/06/09 at 12:41:22

Of course you could put on 2 right handed threaded pedals.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by sluggo on 02/06/09 at 12:44:16

nice job,  but give me daily rider any day.  

just goes to show how far  butt jewelry come.   all the way down to
our lowly "chick" bike. 8-)

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by serowbot on 02/06/09 at 13:54:40

Ignoring Sluggo completely,....
I bought nuts,...

9/16" righty .43 cents,
9/16" lefty $2.99,...
swallowed my gum on that one.... :-?

http://w4.bikepics.com/pics/2009%5C02%5C06%5Cbikepics-1562908-full.jpg
now, got to find a welder...
what's a good price for getting two nuts welded?...

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by T Mack 1 on 02/06/09 at 16:40:02


5E4042464443724F4158482D0 wrote:
[quote author=4D5E4948575A5C5E550A3B0 link=1233812825/0#3 date=1233818009]That's an '00 or better engine.

Must've used one of the industrial belts available.



why??  just looks painted to me. :-/[/quote]

I was wondering how he could tell too.    Anyway, they changed the paint from silver paint  to black paint in '02......

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by verslagen1 on 02/06/09 at 17:38:48

'02 black and silver, I should know better now that I got an '02 engine, it will stick in my mind.

Hey serobot, nice nuts, but I think I would've gone for doubles or coupling nuts.  That way the welding won't distort the mating threads.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Rogue_Cheddar on 02/06/09 at 19:40:16

"what's a good price for getting two nuts welded?... "

My wife will do it for free! Oh, you mean those nuts!

It's a good thing the judges didn't nick him for the head plug leak!  :D

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Rustbucket on 02/07/09 at 09:51:37

That thing is awful. And he looks proud of it..  :-/

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by serowbot on 02/07/09 at 10:16:33


5F787E796F786E6668790D0 wrote:
That thing is awful. And he looks proud of it..  :-/

but you have 2 pages of photobucket pics of a stocker with a windshield.... and it still has the warning sticker on the tank?.... and you covered the license plate number?....
We all like what we like.... not that there's anything wrong with a stock bike, but it's creative ideas that are worth posting... we all know what a stock Savage looks like.


Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by verslagen1 on 02/07/09 at 11:17:10


2A3C2B362E3B362D590 wrote:
[quote author=5F787E796F786E6668790D0 link=1233812825/30#30 date=1234029097]That thing is awful. And he looks proud of it..  :-/

but you have 2 pages of photobucket pics of a stocker with a windshield.... and it still has the warning sticker on the tank?.... and you covered the license plate number?....
We all like what we like.... not that there's anything wrong with a stock bike, but it's creative ideas that are worth posting... we all know what a stock Savage looks like.
[/quote]
Yeah, seen one stocker (in each color) you've seen them all.
I won't go out and copy his bike.  But there are some really nice ideas.  Like who'd thunk to put the disk brake on the front pulley?  And the rat trap pedals?  The really cleaned up battery box, hardley know it's there (it is isn't it?)  The copper coloring, wow.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by rodeoman on 02/09/09 at 18:55:44

I think bikes are like woman... I like all of them even the plain or the ugly ones!!!! ;D

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by diamond jim on 02/09/09 at 19:15:31


372A21202A28242B450 wrote:
I think bikes are like woman... I like all of them even the plain or the ugly ones!!!! ;D


Me... I don't care much for the ugly ones.  Or the plain ones for that matter.   ;D

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Gary On A Savage on 02/10/09 at 00:03:15

>>>They really cleaned up battery box, hardley know it's there (it is isn't it?)  <<<
Serowbot, I think they hid it in the swingarm area.  At least that would be my guess.


Whether you like the bike or not, you really have to appreciate some of the things they've done on it.  Especially knowing our bikes as we do.  And I have to say, it really looks as good or better than the butt jewelery coming out of the Teutul family workshop.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by Rustbucket on 02/10/09 at 10:23:02


2D3B2C31293C312A5E0 wrote:
[quote author=5F787E796F786E6668790D0 link=1233812825/30#30 date=1234029097]That thing is awful. And he looks proud of it..  :-/

but you have 2 pages of photobucket pics of a stocker with a windshield.... and it still has the warning sticker on the tank?.... and you covered the license plate number?....
We all like what we like.... not that there's anything wrong with a stock bike, but it's creative ideas that are worth posting... we all know what a stock Savage looks like.

[/quote]
Never said it wasn't creative, I just said it looked awful. Those pics of my bike were taken by the prev owner who loaded them on photobucket when he listed his bike for sale. He left the bucket acct up so i linked to them. What does it matter anyway if I have 1 pic or 1500 pics of my bike? I still think that custom job looks aweful..
I cant tell you why he covered the plate.. (paranoia?) I did remove the warning sticker though.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by genejohnson on 07/13/09 at 07:09:34

  I found it interesting because it is different! He followed his own vision. I like seeing big changes in the designs of bikes and how people struggle to make things better or more reliable. We have a few guys on this forum with as much if not more vision than he. Gene

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/09 at 08:56:31

I like the disk on the drive pulley. The belt wouldnt jump in a panic stop any more than a wild start, the cogs are huge on this belt.
I dont like the look he came up with, but I can certainly appreciate the labor that went into it. IOW, it aint for me, but Id sure stop & stare if it was parked where I could.

Title: Re: A little too customized...
Post by dasch on 07/13/09 at 08:59:42

Yeah, if it can take a burnout or a wheelie, it will take braking too. It looks dangerous, though, but should work. That's a 50cc scooter front rotor bolted onto the pulley.

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