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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HELP!!! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1232135107 Message started by Kevininsc on 01/16/09 at 11:45:07 |
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Title: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HELP!!! Post by Kevininsc on 01/16/09 at 11:45:07 Greetings Everyone!! I need some advice/comments regarding comments made to me on my recent visit to another one of my local dealers for the first time. I went in to again check out the 2009 S40s', but they didn't have any on the showroom floor. They also didn't have any S50s'. So, I decided to compare the Honda Rebel 250s' just for the heck of it (a little too small, I think, but nice). I'm about 5'9", 180lbs. I am not a total beginner, even though I do not have that many miles under my belt (1000). My first bike was a Kawasaki Concours, my second a Honda Silverwing Scooter. I am in my mid 50s and want something that is dependable; not too big/heavy; and easy to work on; and more power than a 250. The salesman then started to try to talk me out of the Savage, saying that if you are going to do any interstate riding (above 65mph) for any length of time (other than a couple of exits) then the Savage is definately not the bike!!! He and a sales manager both started showing me other bikes to sit on like a Honda Aero and other larger cruisers they had on the floor. I mentioned to them both (after sitting on various larger cruisers), that I really didn't want a 525lb bike, but did in fact want to occassionally go on the interstate (around 1 to 2 hours) @ 70/75 mph. They again started in with "it will buzz like crazy!"; it will get blown around!; it will be scary!; it will be dangerous!; your hands will get numb; and, it just won't be any fun!!!! They also said the I might as well just get a Honda Rebel 250, since they all will be about the same interstate riding experience, unless I get a larger/heavier cruiser! Now here's the problem--- I have been reading this forum for some time now and most of what I understand, is==== the S40/Savage should not have any problem with interstate higher speed riding for a couple of hours. I do understand that a heaver bike would be more comfortable, but, and as I said to the salesman, " I don't want another heavy bike". The other bike I might be interested in would be the S50, but I have never sat on one-yet! In summary- I gave him my phone number and told him to call me when they get the S40/S50s in the showroom. He also said, as I was leaving, that they are getting in a 1100 cruiser (in trade) and he would call me to let me know when it comes in. Still trying to get me into a larger bike!!!!! I have sat on the S40 at another dealer a month or so ago and it just seems so nice to me. I also really like the fact that the S40 is so simple and I would very much like to do all my own maintenance. The other thing that I like about the S40 is the position of my feet vs. the only other cruiser that wasn't too heavy (Kawasaki 500). But on the Kawi, my feet are too far forward, which I don't care for. So-- are they just trying to sell me a more expensive new/used larger cruiser or do their comments really have any merit? Comments/suggestions??? Thanks Kevin |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by sluggo on 01/16/09 at 12:11:48 stick to you guns. buy the savage. walk in ask for the owner tell him what you want. if he won't help go else where. don't be pushed into buying something you dont want/need . it's your cash.. remind them of that. they don't like the savage because they don't sell any accessories, and most people work on them their selfs do to the simplicity. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by photojoe on 01/16/09 at 12:14:40 Agree with Sluggo, the sales idiot doesn't have your interest at heart, only his own. Let him know that you will indeed walk if he can't help you with an S40. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Gort on 01/16/09 at 12:23:51 If memory serves, some people on this site converted to chain drive and then changed sprocket ratios to provide a higher top end. You might want to post that question and see what responses you get. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Jack_650 on 01/16/09 at 12:34:02 You may have read some of the stuff I've put up here in the past. The Sav is/was my first bike ever. I've had it going into three years now and, even though I have nothing to compare it to, I like it bunches. As far as highway riding goes I've done a few multi-thousand mile trips on it. And yes, you run it at 65+ mph and the vibration gets to be pretty pronounced, that's the nature of a one lunger. However, you do the seat mods suggested on here, maybe even change to a more comfortable seat and your comfort level goes way up. Maybe a gel pad as well if you're feeling adventurous, but try it before you buy it. Then either pad your pegs or get floorboards with thick cushies on them and the vibration issue gets better than bearable. You do these few things and your only complaint should be that you can't go enough miles before you need to fill up again. And there's solutions to that too. As a side note, do you feel you have to get a new one. There's used, low mileage 650's out there. Look around. I got mine from a used bike/ boneyard. I too went looking for a Rebel and got this one for the same money. The only thing I might have done differently would be if there had been a 450 Rebel available at the time. It would be a smoother ride and almost the same git-up-and-go. Jack |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by serowbot on 01/16/09 at 12:34:33 It's not a highway bike, if that's what you're looking for. But it'll do highway if you want it too. If that's just a occasional thing,... buy the bike. A savage is three times a Rebel. More equal to a Sportster, or 650 V-Star... they aren't great highway bikes either, but they'll do it. In the 60's the Savage would have been considered a big bike. Only thing that's changed is the size of our ego's... |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/09 at 12:34:50 I was w/o a bike for over 20 years & got an 05 S40. It was the right size, weight & had enough OOOmph to get out of the way. Acceleration is a defense in some cases. A 250 Honda is too close to the weight of the Savage & not enough power. The 650 will run the highways at 70 MPH all day. Its not as comfy as a heavier bike, the seat hurts some people, others, no big deal. If its not good enough, it'll swap out. If you need it to have a bit more power, thats easy enough to manage. Beat Duck took his from Florida, out West to Areizona, up to Canada & then East, dropped down thru New York & went home. It WILL do it. Is there a better bike for your needs? maybe. One I would consider ( I am buying one from a guy up North, Hutch. He hangs out here some. He has owned a bunch of bikes, I think around 30, & has 2 Kawasaki W 650's.) They are a little heavier, a parallel twin, pumpin a biti more HP & with a top speed of just over 100 MPH IIRC. When I got antsy & wanted a different bike, I bought a Moto-Guzzi Nevada 750. The performance figures/MPG, were what sold me. It didnt deliver the MPG I wanted & expected. The K-W650 delivers more MPG than MY Suzuki 650. Others have not jetted & changed exhaust & swapped the cam. I get more fun & spend more per mile. The Suzuki 650 will do what you want to do. I think your needs would also be met by the W 650.If I had known about them, I wouldnt have got that Guzzi.Also, the Kawa has no cam chain, its a bevel gear drive. The valves are adjusted by shims. It has a taller seat & standard riding position, with feet down instead of out front. Less rake on the front, too. No longer imported, so used is all thats available. I like the look, very 60's Brit Bike looking & they have a good reliability record. I really enjoy my Suzuki & appreciate it for its design & simplicity. If you get one, you will have a good bike. It is quick & nimble & will get a guy across town with a grin on his face. It will take you down the road 200 miles without drama. It will DO what ya need. Ive seen one with 90+ thousand miles on it. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by verslagen1 on 01/16/09 at 12:36:26 1st He can't sell what he don't have. 2nd I ride daily, averaging 70 for a half hour. 3rd I've riden an hour at 70, then up a hill for another 1/2 hour. The only trouble I had was monkey but and where to fill up. The stock bars have weights welded in them to damp out the buzz. I don't have stock bars. And if he thinks a 250 has the same kick in the but accelleration... well, he can't sell what doesn't have. So is he serving you? or himself? Just tell 'em, 'no thanks, got a line on a sportster to check out'. That ought to piss'em off. BTW, good bargaining technique, 'what do you mean you don't got yeller? Had my heart set on that color'. Of course make sure he don't have that color. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by bluesavage218 on 01/16/09 at 12:42:33 I rode with two other guys that had a V-Star 650 and a Honda Shadow 750, and due to the weight and handling of the Savage, I was always the one leading the pack. Bottom line is that it is a great all around bike. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Yonuh Adisi on 01/16/09 at 12:47:10 I've cruised with an M109R 1800 cc, a Vstar 650, and several other big twins. My Savage always keeps up with them and even impresses the others with it's power and agility (even with my mods). This bike WILL do what you are wanting with no trouble at all. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Kevininsc on 01/16/09 at 13:08:08 Very Good Comments- Thanks!!! BTW Jack 650- I do understand about getting floorboards (that and a windshield; bags are the first things I would do--But you mentioned that some people have done something that would make the S40/savages to get more miles before fill-ups? Are you talking about a bigger tank??? That is something else I would be greatly interested in-if that is what you are talking about. What tank has people put on their savages/S40s? and, are there any pictures of such a beast?? I would love to see what a larger tank would look like. Thanks and keep the comments coming!! Kevin |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/16/09 at 13:32:11 I just tried to add another reply, with part of an ad for a 650 Triumph. I got warned it was spam & 2 more & I am banned! Crappola.. Anyway, back in the 60's there were 650's out there that would run 100MPH+. The HP/CC was higher. I believe the reason the 650-800 CC class fails to deliver the HP now is so the Big Bikes will sell. If they build a small bike that satisfies the needs of the majority, sales on the Monsters will fall off & their profit margin will suffer. My opinion, may be off by miles. Ill try this one more time, just a link instead of a copy & paste of text. http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1965-triumph-t120-bonneville.htm |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by verslagen1 on 01/16/09 at 13:44:58 Someone told me marketing and engineering always work to the same goal and that economics doesn't influence the end product. yeah right, it was the epa that did it. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Paladin. on 01/16/09 at 14:28:41 1836253A3D3A3D2030530 wrote:
I was late '50's when I got back into biking. I am NOT about to try to muscle 500+ pounds of motorcycle around. 400 pounds absolute tops for a street bike. I was on rec.motorcycles and no one could come up with anything to match the Savage. Like you, my local dealer didn't have any and bad-mouthed it... vibrates, leaks oil. (ummmm it's a THUMPER! It is supposed to vibrate. Leaking oil would be a pitiful service department.) I got a used Savage. That was four+ years 20,000+ miles ago. When I started riding it I was rather disappointed in the LACK of vibration. Suzuki has really engineered the counterbalancer. As I remember, my '8? GS450E Twin was far buzzier. High speed for more than a couple of exits? Hello? Can we say Los Angeles Freeways? I ran the Harbor Freeway from the 91 south to the end, mostly 75-80, got up to about 85 but that was where my eyeballs started vibrating, but more from the pavement than the motor. I wondered about my endurance, so one Friday I get off work, go home and take a nap, leave Gardena about 9 pm, run out to Yucca Valley, gas up, take a lazy putt across Joshua Tree National Park (they don't charge admission after midnight!) under a full moon. Have breakfast in a Denny's, head home pushing HEAVY headwinds, hit some pea soup fog and pulled off for a while and ran on the road beside the freeway, mostly, only got a little bit lost. Eventually made it back home, 'bout 7 am. 350 miles. And I wasn't tired! To me it is rather fascinating that where I would get bone tired driving, I was was remaining alert on the bike. Did it again, with a National Cycle Street Shield, which defeated those headwinds on the I-10. Me and the Bike did fine. So I rode the bike to the GEEIA Reunion. L.A. to Holbrook AZ the first day (570 miles) then to Amarillo the second day (510 miles). I did not get blown around, that I noticed. It was not at all scary. A WHOLE BUNCH safer than the streets of Los Angeles. My hands did not get numb -- without gloves for much of the time. It was so much fun I'll be riding to San Antonio for this year's reunion, or maybe out to Arkansas to see #1 daughter, or both, no firm plans yet. I will admit that my butt and feet got sore enough that I cut back to 300 mile days on the return to L.A.. But I have a springer saddle now, and will be looking at installing floorboards before August. I'm looking for range extenders. I have a 1 gallon gas can that fits in a saddlebag, so I can carry a 60 mile emergency range extender if I so wish. I'm working on tallering a stock tank, to make it 4 to 4.5 gallons. But that would be more a convience matter. With the Internet I can plot out gas stations ahead of time and plan accordingly. If you are on the Interstate system you can fuel up at 24 hour truck stops, and get a good meal to boot. Or use the AAA TripTiK on-line trip planner which will plot out nearly every gas station in America. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Kevininsc on 01/16/09 at 14:57:38 Thanks Paladin: I remember the TV show "Have Gun Will Travel". I think I saw a pic of you and you really do look like him. Anyway, I guess you and I think alike-don't need/want a 500+ bike to push around. The Savage/S40 just felt right after I sat on one. Although, I wouldn't have minded it being a little bit heaver (maybe 50lbs). I guess I will either find a good used one, or try to make a deal with the first dealership that I went to. I'm glad to hear that you actually do some serious miles/touring on the S40 when necessary. This bike might just be what the doctor ordered! Kevin |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by SavRon on 01/16/09 at 15:07:31 I think for the Price, Performance, Power and Pleasure, the Savage will be hard to beat. A great all around bike that can cover it all. If that Dealership won't, or isn't interested in selling you a Savage,,, then find another one. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Kevininsc on 01/16/09 at 15:19:06 Yes- I agree with you about value. Although, I tend to farkle the heck out of bikes after I get them. The only thing negative about the smaller bikes is that they tend not to have very much electrical power left in the bank for lights, heated garments, etc. But, I will adapt now that I live in a somewhat warmer climate. I'm going to try to first locate a good/low mileage used one. If I purchase now I only can afford about $2500 total with taxes and all. If I wait until the summer, I might be able to purchase new! I really like those new two-tone colors!! :) |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by bill67 on 01/16/09 at 15:59:48 Kevin most people on here haven't had a bigger motorcycle.Its really a back road motorcycle Not really good for freeways at all. Front ends to light,you have to change the shocks,stock ones way to stiff,turns to many rpms at cruising speed.Been riding steady since 1972 and have had a lot of different motorcycles I also have a Suzuki LC 1500. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Jack_650 on 01/16/09 at 16:14:55 I did a bigger (5 gal.) Harley soft tail to replace the stock tank. Before that I had already gotten a 4 gallon tour tank that I bolted on the back. Now I run with them both. I get a good solid 400+ miles per fill-up. I disagree with those who say it's not a good road bike. I have the NationalCycle fairing type windshield which makes it nice at speed on the highway. I did a 3K mile trip with a smaller windshield and never again. As I said before, I've nothing to compare it to but, I pass the big trucks and they pass me and I've never felt any squirrliness from the wind. The only time I've felt the need to get off the road was in a big, bad storm with cross winds of 60+ mph. I was literally moved from one lane into the other. I parked until that one passed over. Here's a few pix of the bike with both tanks, windshield and trailer hitch. I've also, since these were taken, moved over to the darkside and have a nice all-weather auto radial on the back. Oh yeah, I also have a pair of Harley 11 1/2" or so shocks on the back now. Gives a smoother ride and a lot more clearance for that tire on the back. http://bikepics.com/members/jazzcarter/00savage/ Jack |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by TheCaliKid on 01/16/09 at 17:07:05 I was in the same position, newer rider with research leading me to the Savage. I could not find one @ dealer (Late in the summer), but picked up an 07 S40 used for $2700 w/ 2700 miles on it. Since it is commonly purchased by new riders, and they don't always use them much, a used low mileage Savage is a good buy. Also, if you find it's not for you, resell it. I personally love the bike. Yeah, it is not a 1200 touring bike, but if you're riding on city & country roads, & on the freeway it's a great ride. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Kevininsc on 01/16/09 at 18:04:25 Jack 650== Let me commend you on your nice looking 5gal tank!! It looks like it belongs on the savage. I wonder if you could just cut a hole in the tank and insert the original speedometer in it? Then, you wouldn't have to relocate it on the bars (even though it is much easier to see there) Kevin |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by LANCER on 01/16/09 at 18:06:54 46687B646364637E6E0D0 wrote:
I would be asking the salesmen/owner/whoever, after all the bad mouthing they did about the Savage/S40, if they have ever actually ridden one at all and if so did they do any more than just go around the block? Chances are they have no real experience with the model. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by gerald.hughes on 01/16/09 at 18:41:58 Have owned and ridden an RT BMW and a full dress Harley FLHT. There is no question that they are more comfortable on the freeway. There is also no way that I would now trade my Savage for either of them. On balance, the total riding experience on the Savage beats any bike that I have ever owned. I would also like to make a suggestion. It seems that everyone thinks that you have to go 75 on the freeway. What is wrong with dong 65? Over the years, I have logged a lot of cross country miles at 65. I always seemed to get there fine. I think that the speed emphasis is akin to the whole displacement/horse power obsession that we have developed. At this stage of my life, I like to enjoy the scenery when I ride. That is a lot easier to do at a little slower speed. Just a thought. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Kevininsc on 01/16/09 at 18:59:28 Many years ago, I really wanted a BMW, and the RT was really what I thought I needed then! But, it was too heavy for me. It's nice to know that you like the S40 over those bikes. That really says a lot. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Dj12midnit on 01/16/09 at 20:17:05 I have no problem on the freeway by my self or 2 up. I am just saddened that every time I have made plans for a longer rides something comes up and ruins my day. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by sluggo on 01/16/09 at 21:46:13 2D26232379784F0 wrote:
i've been here along time and that is not true. many have had larger machinces and are very happy with the savage. i do freeway rinding all the time and have had no problems keep up. till about 80 that is. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Yonuh Adisi on 01/16/09 at 22:46:40 153B28373037302D3D5E0 wrote:
Road King tank on 2000 Savage (Before Girder front end installed) http://a214.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/79/l_089d0511326e63eb2c10c8313e47fe6d.jpg After Girder front end installed http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/7/l_059d601bbfe50be8209f24d067363994.jpg Jack_650 has a Softail tank on his. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Jay on 01/16/09 at 23:58:21 Kevininsc, First, find another dealer; because he is either A. Lying to you, or B. Doesn't know what he's talking about. Either way, he has a serious credability issue, and that's not someone who deserves your money; at either purchase or service, if you get a used. (You should be doing your own maintenence anyway. This things a breeze to work on, and thais from a guy who's all thumbs when it comes to tools.) I've owned everything from a 50cc Honda motorbike up to a Goldwing, with several sizes in between; including a couple of scooters. Of the lot, my favorites are the KLR 650, and the Savage. (incidentally, both one lungers) I commute by interstate 30 miles each way, 4-5 days a week, at 65+mph, and the bike has never given me a lick of trouble. I made a 700 mile round trip at 70mph, and the bike was flawless. Yes there's vibration; but the Savage vibrates less than my KLR did. Yes, you can get a righteous case of monkey butt; but there are mods to lessen its severity. For the price, the economy of maintenence and fuel, and the "smiles per gallon"; there is nothing that can beat a Savage. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by SV og LS on 01/17/09 at 03:29:55 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
You are comparing current cruisers to 60's street bikes. Current street bikes have a bit better hp/cc than bikes 30 or 40 years ago. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by SV og LS on 01/17/09 at 03:35:00 517F6C7374737469791A0 wrote:
I've seen Savages with Kawasaki VN and Suzuki GR tanks. Also one with two original tanks 'cut and shut' to retain somewhat original look, pictured here (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq2wEow9). |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by dr1445 on 01/17/09 at 04:08:26 i ride a suzuki dr650, my neighbor has the ls650. i have not spent any time riding the the ls650 but i have done some wrenching on the machine. besides the style issue both are about the same in weight and hp. my dr650 has the the factory lower job and at 5'10" i have no issues getting on and off and standing flat foot at lights etc. between the two i think the dr is more adjustable for riding styles as you can make a decent dirt or road machine. if you are stuck on the cruiser style then for sure go with the ls650. i to vote for the 400ib machine or under. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by grandpa on 01/17/09 at 04:25:07 I bought an '06 Savage with 76 miles on it for $2900. I was a returning rider after 20 years. Wanted something simple, easy to work on, and easy to handle. I found it with the Savage. I commute appx 30 minutes (mostly freeway) each way in Memphis TN at 65-70 mph with ease. I did go to bigger tires when the time came and it has made a huge difference in stability. The larger diameter rear tire dropped the RPMs just enough to put the sweet spot at around 70 mph. I have not had any real road trips as of yet but they are planned for this year. By the way I am 6 ft and 250 lbs and almost eligible for the senior coffee at Micky Dee's. The Savage is a blast. If I ever retire for real and make regular real road trips a larger bike might be in order. For right now, 'Suzi' is all I need or want. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Gary On A Savage on 01/17/09 at 15:44:57 My $.02... I've had a Honda Rebel. I have a Suzuki Savage. I have a Honda Shadow 1100. I have a friend with a Honda 750 ACE and another with Yamaha V-Star 650 Classic, both have let me ride. All but the Rebel are fun to ride almost anywhere, City, Country, Mountain, Freeway. My Savage can outrun both the Honda 750 & Yamaha 650 in the twisties and mountains. All three feel like they are winding out on the freeway. The Savage is easy in town where the other 2 are ok. The shadow 1100 isn't very fun in town or in slow twisties. But is great out in the open or freeway. Only the 1100 is really a 2-up bike. The best all around bike of them is still the Savage. Not the "prettiest" of the bikes with the least of the chrome accessories, but definitely a great bike that will go pretty much anywhere you want it to. (Views expressed are the opinions of the commenter, and not necessarily those of anyone else...unless they agree...in which case they are the same views...unless they are different, of course.) |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by MMRanch on 01/18/09 at 17:51:59 I'm 55 years old , have had a lot of different bikes, could have bought any bike on the market last time.... but there just isn't anything better than the SAVAGE-S40 going. I've got 32,000+ miles on mine and have not had a complaint with it. It will keep up with the gang and not wear you or your wallet out while doing it . |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Skid Mark on 01/18/09 at 19:10:21 Bang for the buck, I don't think. You can find a better bike!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Skid Mark on 01/18/09 at 19:13:37 Previous post should read: Bang for the buck, I don't think you could find a better bike. Sorry; mumble fingers |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by 88pagan on 01/18/09 at 19:21:04 Haha thanks for the laugh skidmark, that was cool. Just a little change in punctuation and everything is screwed up lol |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by T Mack 1 on 01/18/09 at 19:25:22 Before the LS650, I had the pre-cursor to the Rebel, an '82 CM250C "Custom" (1st year for the engine). There is a world of difference between the Honda Twinstar 250 engine and the Suzuki LS650 Thumper engine. Twenty something HP verse 30 something HP respectively. Torque... the LS650 wins by what feels like tons, the 250 had to be shifted all the time to keep it in the higher RPM range where the power was. Me 5'10" , 210 lbs and just hit 50 last month ..... and the LS650/S40 moves me down the road just fine. Here on the east side of PA, it will do the speed limit plus 5 or 10 on ANY road. Why do I have a LS650,..... I like the looks, the simplicity, and I got it cheap. Beautiful '01 for $500 with engine in pieces. Would I sell it for a bigger bike.... well..... I sat on my nieghbors HD Fatboy and thought it was a boat. Sat on the other neighbors Honda 750 Aero, it was also a boat, Rode my friends '03 Honda 750 Shadow Spirit and thought the tank was fat. Sat on my friends HD Dyna Wide-Gluide... not bad..... I ask, "How much did you pay" ..... he says $20K :o .... cough cough cough..... did I tell you I like the looks , the simplicity and price of the Savage..... what I didn't tell you is that I also like other toys, so a $20K bike is way out of the question. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by SimonTuffGuy on 01/19/09 at 06:59:41 The dealer that I went to had both the S40 and S50 sitting in their showroom... And what they didn't have at the dealers, they had in their storage facility. I wanted the blue S40, they had it to the store in 20~ minutes. I'd suggest finding another dealer. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by sluggo on 01/19/09 at 22:31:50 like i said, it's your cash. get what you want period... do make it a savage..... nowhrere else can you can a support group like this one. peas owt sluggo |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by BurnPgh on 01/19/09 at 23:22:23 the Rebel250 forum is just as good honestly (I started on a Reb250) but the bike....nah. Considering Price, Maint Price, Power, Utility, Gas Mileage, Versatility, Reliability, Fun Factor, and Support there is IMO NO bike that matches the Savage/S40. Even if you eventually get something bigger you cannot go wrong with a savage. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by sluggo on 01/20/09 at 00:24:12 485A485A57444B464D050 wrote:
that's story also. go for it dude |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Mortation on 03/05/09 at 06:23:01 I didnt read this whole thread (Mostly just searching for floor board info) but I went to my dealer the other day to to look at an S40 so I had an idea if it was worth the drive to Meriden to buy the LS650. I didnt tell the dealer that of course, just that I wanted to look at his S40's. He had none on the showroom floor and immediately tried to talk me into a bigger bike (Which honestly I would have bough if I had the money lol). He said the S40 vibrated to much. Was to small, etc. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by diamond jim on 03/05/09 at 11:29:11 My parents had a Ford Pinto when I was a kid. Would you consider that a "highway" car? It took us all over the country just fine. It's all relative. To the over 35 crowd who grew up with few bikes over 750cc and rode cross country on everything from 250-500cc bikes that actually had excessive vibration, the S40 is a good sized bike that can do pretty much anything you want it to. To the under 35 crowd who grew up with 1 to 2 liter bikes with ABS, bulbous bodywork and bikes weighing 4 times what the rider weighs, the bike appears small and poorly suited to some situations. For me, I've never had a bike over 100mph for more than a minute so I don't need a triple digit top speed. I've rarely had a passenger on any of my bikes and when I did it was never for more than 20 miles. So I don't need exquisite passenger accommodations. I've never kept a bike more than 3-4 years due to selling and getting a different bike so I don't need a high $$$ payoff. Hmmm.... the S40 seems just right for me. Again, it''s all relative. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by kennycreed on 03/05/09 at 12:33:07 The LS has no viberations to bother about ,after all the other big singles I had it's like sitting on a bed of feathers I had a 600 panther sloper that had such a long stroke that it leaped from one streetlight to the other every time it fired, and if you got the decompression leaver on the handlebar wrong when starting the kick start would throw you up in the air if you were lucky, most times your foot would slip off, and the kick would rearrange the skin up the inside of your leg, Iv'e still got the scars. The B.s.a B33 would leave your fingers numb and white after an hour riding and the M20 would leave your backside feeling as if somebody had been kicking it all day, The LS is a good all round bike for one to love and cherish, or hammer down a motorway, or to take apart and put together again with all kinds of different bits, or just to polish it and have it standing out side your house preferably by a window where you can easily look out and admire it every so often IT'S A GREAT BIKE :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by PerrydaSavage on 03/05/09 at 15:07:53 I'm one of those here who had a bigger Bike (800cc) that could run on the highway all day long ... in fact I sold my original '03 Savage (which I had for 5 seasons) to buy a VS800 ... kept that Bike for only a few months ... found it too heavy and lacking in "character" ... promptly sold it and bought another LS650 ('05 S40) ... which I had to ride 400 highway miles (in 6deg C temps and rain!!) to bring it home! :) |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by diamond jim on 03/05/09 at 15:26:55 Look, go to the M50, Vulcan 800, 900, Vstar, etc, pages and you will hear and read the exact same things here: I wish it had another gear, should i use a bar snake for handlebar vibraions?, how can I make it more highway capable?, how do i get more power, should I yank out the baffles, etc. Somebody with an 1800 told them their 800 or 900 was too small. Same stuff, different bikes and sites. It never ends. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by kingart3 on 03/05/09 at 19:47:40 Yes its funny to hear people say a 650 is "too small". I recently bought a new S40 after being off motocycles the last 20+ years. My last bike before this was a 1981 Yamaha 400 twin. Back then, a 650 would have been about the 5th BIGGEST bike on the road. 1st HD 1200 2nd HD Sportser 3rd Kawaski 900 4th Honda 750 5th Triumph, Yamaha, a few others (Think I am missing Golden Wing in here) Anyway people went across the country on 750s all the time. Suddenly a 650 is a "beginner's bike" ...GASP... COUGH... fall on the floor. My beginners bike was a 100 cc Honda. The parking lot at work is full of monster bikes. A friend of mine rides a Triumph Rocket III at 2300+ CCs. I had a Nissan pickup truck that was only 2400 CCs...LOL. Anyway I am 6'2 and 240 lbs and the bike doesn't feel like its "struggling" to me. Light, easy to handle, clean, BEAUTIFUL. I'm in Love. |
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Title: Re: Dealer Trying to Talk Me Out of a SAVAGE!! HEL Post by Skid Mark on 03/06/09 at 08:25:37 Go for the S40. You will not get a better bang for the buck with another bike. I've had mine for a year amd love it. I've done 4 lane hi-way at 70mph for 1 1/2 hr streches with no problems and 2 lane at 65mph all day with no problems. You can spend 10k and get 40-50 mpg on a larger cruiser of 5k or less for a new S40 and get 60-65mpg. Plus the S40 is a lot easier to maintain!!! |
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