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Message started by Paladin. on 01/01/09 at 01:16:50

Title: Political Compass
Post by Paladin. on 01/01/09 at 01:16:50


4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
Heres a fun little "test" to see where individuals line up politically....


Would be very interesting.

Political Compass Org. (http://www.politicalcompass.org) -- click on "take the test" (upper left), post your numbers, and I'll add you to the chart and the list.

http://www.savageriders.com/images/PoliticalCompass.gif

Economic   Social
Left/          Libertarian/
Right         Authoritarian  User:

 6.12     5.33   Reelthing (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7443434A524E4F4841260)
 2.75     3.08   Jerry Eichenberger (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=2C232F252E2328242334212334460)
 0.88     3.18   Toymaker (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=754944754E584C404A4453210)
 2.12     1.08   grandpa (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5643505F554150310)
 2.50     0.62   skrapiron -FSO (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=637B62716079627F7E100)
-0.25     1.33   bill67 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=505B5E5E0405320)
 1.50    -0.51   babbalou (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5F5C5F5F5C5152483D0)
 1.88    -1.33   sjaskow (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=352C27352D2931460)
-3.12     1.85   PiaFea (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=0E373F183B3F5E0)
 0.50    -3.95   justin_o_guy2 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620)
-0.62    -2.97   verslagen1 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7A697E7F606D6B69623D0C0)
-3.25    -0.46   vargas (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=79687F7F71232D291A0)
-3.88    -0.67   Southpaw (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=6F534948544C5D4B3C0)
-4.50    -1.54   ALfromN.H. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=28252B2B7F490)
-5.00    -1.18   Jay (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=666D75607C3D3D0C0)
-3.75    -2.58   Ed L. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5F7E4556341A0)
-4.50    -2.15   Trippah (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=72544F5656474E260)
-3.75    -3.08   sluggo (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=4E51485A5A523D0)
-4.25    -2.67   Charon (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=715A53405D5C320)
-4.00   - 3.08   mick (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=55515B534C505D5451555D41380)
-5.62    -1.85   Bobbert (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=675A575047415A585A50350)
-5.00    -2.87   thumperclone (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=465A475F425740515E5D5C57320)
-4.00    -4.21   Paladin. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5B6A676A6F62650B0)
-5.75    -5.25   forrest (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=040D1010071116620)
-5.88    -5.13   serowbot (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=1107100D15000D16620)
-8.38    -5.23   gerald.hughes (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=464453404D450F495446494452210)
-7.12    -7.23   Jonny_Chicago (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7A7F7E7E694F7378797371777F100)
-7.38    -7.54   Starlifter (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=0F283D2E30353A28392E5C0)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Charon on 01/01/09 at 05:47:57

Charon left/right -4.25; lib/auth -2.67.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by bill67 on 01/01/09 at 05:54:04

bill67 left/right   -0.25     1.33

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by thumperclone on 01/01/09 at 06:55:36

eco  -5.00
soc  -2.87
Pal, what is your motovation here??

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Toymaker on 01/01/09 at 07:11:13

eco .88
auth 3.18

revised...took the test again

;D

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Paladin. on 01/01/09 at 08:30:43


627E637B667364757A797873160 wrote:
...Pal, what is your motovation here??
Curiosity.  Mine and others.  Where do I/you stand compared with others.  We all think OUR position is the correct position.

I'm making the list in order of numeric totals.  So far I'm dead last.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by mick on 01/01/09 at 09:31:12

Econ L/R  -4.00
Social lib  - 3.08
                                  mick

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by thumperclone on 01/01/09 at 09:41:03


794845484D4047290 wrote:
[quote author=627E637B667364757A797873160 link=1230801410/0#3 date=1230821736]...Pal, what is your motovation here??
Curiosity.  Mine and others.  Where do I/you stand compared with others.  We all think OUR position is the correct position.

I'm making the list in order of numeric totals.  So far I'm dead last.
[/quote]
or are you first!!

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by ALfromN.H. on 01/01/09 at 10:06:19

Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.54

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/01/09 at 10:22:49


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http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.50&soc=-3.95  



I am further Right than most here, but still down in the Libertarian Views section.

I brought this from another forum. The majority were in the lower left quadrant.

Is that an American outlook?

Is that The Bikers Outlook?

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by serowbot on 01/01/09 at 10:23:06

-5.88,....-5.13....

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by forrest on 01/01/09 at 10:43:10

L/R -5.75    Auth/Lib  -5.25

Thanks Paladin

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Southpaw on 01/01/09 at 11:15:26

Eco    -3.88
Soc   -0.67

Might be the first time I've ever been "labeled" left in any context! Tsk, tsk, what would the neighbors say??? :o

;)
Southpaw

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by serowbot on 01/01/09 at 11:21:27

odd?,....members here went 2 to 1 for McCain.....
chart is leaning heavy left....
us lefties must be early voters....

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by skrapiron -FSO on 01/01/09 at 11:23:08

No Surprise here.

Economic Left/Right: 2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.62

I've always considered myself pretty middle of the road.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Ed L. on 01/01/09 at 11:26:05

Here's mine
L/R  -3.75
L/A  -2.58
Interesting test Ed L.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/01/09 at 11:42:52

Now I'd like to see the results of some of the ladies.

Also, has anyone seen the results of this test taken by a group of Non Bikers? I am wondering if the Freedoms we, as riders want & enjoy are what drives the majority of us to fall toward the Libertarian end of the test.

Anyone have an idea?

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by bill67 on 01/01/09 at 12:15:01

  So far mine is closes to the middle,I must be winning ;)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Southpaw on 01/01/09 at 12:32:33


3325322F37222F34400 wrote:
odd?,....members here went 2 to 1 for McCain.....
chart is leaning heavy left....
us lefties must be early voters....


Dunno 'bout that, I voted for him, but some of the questions' phrasing might have me more to the left than is accurate. (Disagreeing that you HAVE to be religious to be moral, for example, doesn't make me anti-religious.) It's an interesting test, and taken with a grain of salt, it serves its purpose.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by vargas on 01/01/09 at 12:36:20

-3.25,-.46

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Paladin. on 01/01/09 at 13:31:30


283731362B2C1D2D1D25373B70420 wrote:
Now I'd like to see the results of some of the ladies.

Also, has anyone seen the results of this test taken by a group of Non Bikers? I am wondering if the Freedoms we, as riders want & enjoy are what drives the majority of us to fall toward the Libertarian end of the test.

It would also be interesting to get the results from a Harley Davidson site and a SportBike site -- just to see if us Thumper Riders are off in our own little world.  I'm actually rather surprised at the results so far.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Bobbert on 01/01/09 at 13:57:28

Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.85

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 01/02/09 at 07:31:28

My results are:

Economic +2.75

Social   +3.08

About what I expected.  Pretty close to Maggie Thatcher's spot on the graph.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by sjaskow on 01/02/09 at 09:12:53

sjaskow:

Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

If you pay attention to the test, you can actually adjust your answers to get the numbers where you want them.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by serowbot on 01/02/09 at 09:33:19


273E35273F3B23540 wrote:
sjaskow:
If you pay attention to the test, you can actually adjust your answers to get the numbers where you want them.


Isn't that like cheating on your blood pressure test?.....

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Starlifter on 01/02/09 at 11:03:22

Economic Left/Right: -7.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.54

*Starlifter

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by serowbot on 01/02/09 at 11:37:39

finally,..somebody further left than me..... Howdy, Star.... 8-)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by gerald.hughes on 01/02/09 at 13:14:16

-8.38    -5.23



Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jonny_Chicago on 01/02/09 at 18:00:47

Economic Left/Right: -7.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23


Hahaha, I find it ironic that most of the people on this site consider themselves Republicans and neo-cons (last poll taken here; McCain won).  However, the chart shows most people in the left libertarian area by Gandhi. I would think most people graphed would be by Margaret Thatcher and Jerry Eichenberger.... Hmm, weird.....I smell a government conspiracy.....

Maybe this is an eye opener for many people not sure where they lay politically.  

Well done, Paladin!

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jonny_Chicago on 01/02/09 at 18:09:01


437F656478607167100 wrote:
[quote author=3325322F37222F34400 link=1230801410/0#13 date=1230837687]odd?,....members here went 2 to 1 for McCain.....
chart is leaning heavy left....
us lefties must be early voters....


Dunno 'bout that, I voted for him, but some of the questions' phrasing might have me more to the left than is accurate. (Disagreeing that you HAVE to be religious to be moral, for example, doesn't make me anti-religious.) It's an interesting test, and taken with a grain of salt, it serves its purpose.
[/quote]


I think its a government conspiracy!

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jonny_Chicago on 01/02/09 at 18:10:50

Paladin, do you know any info. on who sponsors this or their ties?  Just curious if it is truly a non-biased site.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jay on 01/02/09 at 18:23:24

Well, the test is biased to the left. Questions like "The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts. Similarly, a society that focused solely on the arts would soon find itself full of starving artists! Equally biased is the question "It is natural for children to keep secrets from their parents.". Of course it's natural, but that doesn't make it right or desirable from the parents view; or necessarily in the childs best interest. Questions like those on the test are designed to skew results to a more liberal bent.
Now that I've gotten off my soapbox, my scores are as follows:
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18
I've always considered myself to be a social liberal and economic conservative. In other words, do whatever you want; just don't expect me to pay for it!
While the results may be interesting/surprising, I'm not sure if such a flawed test will really tell us anything about ourselves or each other.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/02/09 at 22:51:01

The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts.


When I was in my early 20's I would have agreed. Arts? Who needs them? Frivolity,thats all that is. Business makes the world go round.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 01/02/09 at 23:26:46

Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by forrest on 01/03/09 at 03:25:46


0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts.


When I was in my early 20's I would have agreed. Arts? Who needs them? Frivolity,thats all that is. Business makes the world go round.


That is sad.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by forrest on 01/03/09 at 03:28:48


39322A3F236262530 wrote:
Well, the test is biased to the left. Questions like "The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", made as an absolute statement, leave no room for middle ground. No thinking person would place greater importance on the economic side without a balanced view of the need in a society for the arts. Similarly, a society that focused solely on the arts would soon find itself full of starving artists! Equally biased is the question "It is natural for children to keep secrets from their parents.". Of course it's natural, but that doesn't make it right or desirable from the parents view; or necessarily in the childs best interest. Questions like those on the test are designed to skew results to a more liberal bent.
Now that I've gotten off my soapbox, my scores are as follows:
Economic Left/Right: -5.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18
I've always considered myself to be a social liberal and economic conservative. In other words, do whatever you want; just don't expect me to pay for it!
While the results may be interesting/surprising, I'm not sure if such a flawed test will really tell us anything about ourselves or each other.


Jay, a poll with 2 answers kinda has to have the questions worded that way.  If there are only 2 answers to choose from where would "middle ground" fit?



Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Paladin. on 01/03/09 at 07:05:11


515455554264585352585A5C543B0 wrote:
Paladin, do you know any info. on who sponsors this or their ties?  Just curious if it is truly a non-biased site.

Yeah, the wife mentioned that she went to a similar site that was run by a libertarian, trying to get people to look into the Libertarian Party.  

This site appears to be British, BLEAH!!!  The owner of domain name is:

Registrant Name:Jonathan Pagel
Registrant Organization: Pagel Ltd
Registrant Street1:21 Perry Hill
Registrant Street2:Catford
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:London
Registrant State/Province:London
Registrant Postal Code:SE64LF
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+44.86999861

Which, if you take a peek at maps.google.com, is his home, a duplex.  He is a little more open and honest than me, as I use my work address for my domains.

There is also a FAQ on the site that will answer the Frequently Asked Questions.

Or you could try to contact our inactive member, London Thing, and ask him to do a ride by.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by grandpa on 01/03/09 at 14:55:18

Took it twice and then read the comments about the test maybe skewed left. Made more sense of my outcome. Lot more centered than I (and probably most of y'all) would believe.

Economic - right 2.12
Social -plus 1.08

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Reelthing on 01/03/09 at 19:45:55

Hummmmmmm

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.33

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Trippah on 01/03/09 at 19:59:49

well, economic -4.50
social -2.15

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jay on 01/03/09 at 21:07:22

"Jay, a poll with 2 answers kinda has to have the questions worded that way.  If there are only 2 answers to choose from where would "middle ground" fit?"

Well, you've answered your own question really. "Niether agree nor disagree" would have been a good start towards the middle. We only had "agree, stongly agree" or "disagree, stongly disagree" to choose from. The addition of "strongly" in either category merely gives the illusion of greater choice, and was unnecessary. Having to choose between two absolutes negates any middle ground, and will skew results in one direction or the other, as we've seen in this poll. Several who've taken it have intimated that the results were not consistent with their core beliefs. That type of result can only be due to skewing in the poll itself. Had the answers been only "agree" or "disagree", it would have been easier to spot the defect in the poll. Hence, I imagine, the addition of the two similar and, in my opinion, unnecessary answers.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by babbalou on 01/03/09 at 22:07:11

Almost dead center for me.
                                                                                                     Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.51

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/03/09 at 22:19:02


4077777E667A7B7C75120 wrote:
Hummmmmmm

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.33



DAAANG! Im surprised..

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by sluggo on 01/03/09 at 23:08:40


76474A47424F48260 wrote:
[quote author=4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 link=1226334865/675#685 date=1230785278]Heres a fun little "test" to see where individuals line up politically....


Would be very interesting.

Political Compass Org. (http://www.politicalcompass.org) -- click on "take the test" (upper left), post your numbers, and I'll add you to the chart and the list.

http://www.savageriders.com/images/PoliticalCompass.gif

Economic   Social
Left/          Libertarian/
Right         Authoritarian  User:

 6.12     5.33   Reelthing (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7443434A524E4F4841260)
 2.75     3.08   Jerry Eichenberger (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=2C232F252E2328242334212334460)
 0.88     3.18   Toymaker (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=754944754E584C404A4453210)
 2.12     1.08   grandpa (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5643505F554150310)
 2.50     0.62   skrapiron -FSO (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=637B62716079627F7E100)
-0.25     1.33   bill67 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=505B5E5E0405320)
 1.88    -1.33   sjaskow (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=352C27352D2931460)
 0.50    -3.95   justin_o_guy2 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620)
-0.62    -2.97   verslagen1 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7A697E7F606D6B69623D0C0)
-3.25    -0.46   vargas (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=79687F7F71232D291A0)
-3.88    -0.67   Southpaw (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=6F534948544C5D4B3C0)
-4.50    -1.54   ALfromN.H. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=28252B2B7F490)
-5.00    -1.18   Jay (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=666D75607C3D3D0C0)
-3.75    -2.58   Ed L. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5F7E4556341A0)
-4.50    -2.15   Trippah (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=72544F5656474E260)
-4.25    -2.67   Charon (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=715A53405D5C320)
-4.00   - 3.08   mick (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=55515B534C505D5451555D41380)
-5.62    -1.85   Bobbert (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=675A575047415A585A50350)
-5.00    -2.87   thumperclone (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=465A475F425740515E5D5C57320)
-4.00    -4.21   Paladin. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5B6A676A6F62650B0)
-5.75    -5.25   forrest (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=040D1010071116620)
-5.88    -5.13   serowbot (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=1107100D15000D16620)
-8.38    -5.23   gerald.hughes (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=464453404D450F495446494452210)
-7.12    -7.23   Jonny_Chicago (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7A7F7E7E694F7378797371777F100)
-7.38    -7.54   Starlifter (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=0F283D2E30353A28392E5C0)
[/quote]

that's me ole sluggo
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by forrest on 01/04/09 at 04:36:36


505B43564A0B0B3A0 wrote:
"Jay, a poll with 2 answers kinda has to have the questions worded that way.  If there are only 2 answers to choose from where would "middle ground" fit?"

Well, you've answered your own question really. "Niether agree nor disagree" would have been a good start towards the middle. We only had "agree, stongly agree" or "disagree, stongly disagree" to choose from. The addition of "strongly" in either category merely gives the illusion of greater choice, and was unnecessary. Having to choose between two absolutes negates any middle ground, and will skew results in one direction or the other, as we've seen in this poll. Several who've taken it have intimated that the results were not consistent with their core beliefs. That type of result can only be due to skewing in the poll itself. Had the answers been only "agree" or "disagree", it would have been easier to spot the defect in the poll. Hence, I imagine, the addition of the two similar and, in my opinion, unnecessary answers.


I took a couple classes in college on puplic opinions and how to make, and give surveys/polls, and a survey can be designed to look for absolutes leaving out the bailout answer of "neither agree or disagree."
Sure, a poll can be designed to direct the responses in a particular direction.  I don't see that here since the choices are consistant.

However, I pause and realize I'm defending a poll that I have nothing to do with.  So why waste the time?  Maybe just look at the poll as fun and a way to kill a little time.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by serowbot on 01/04/09 at 10:42:19

I don't think the questions are biased....You can go right or left, and the conservative wing is more black and white in their thinking, generally, than the left...
But, the question for me is,...where did he determine the center to be?...That strikes me as being somewhat to the right, and therefore is skewing the results to the left on the chart.
Fun to see the spectrum of our group though, anyway...

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by forrest on 01/04/09 at 13:27:05

One other thing about surveys.  Generally a "no opinion" answer is rejected and not used in the equation; other than changing the number of answers factored into the survey.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jay on 01/04/09 at 18:30:58


575E4343544245310 wrote:
One other thing about surveys.  Generally a "no opinion" answer is rejected and not used in the equation; other than changing the number of answers factored into the survey.


True; but were talking about core beliefs here. To revisit the statement
"The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.", I don't personally believe either is more importatnt than the other. I belive we need both in a balanced society. To have only artists and writers would likely lead to starvation; whereas to have nothing but business and manufactoring would render us well fed, but souless. Yet I wasn't given the option of stating what I really believed, I merely had to choose from the offerings given to me by an outside influence. An influence whose true agenda is rather murky to detect, at least to me.
Granted, given a ""worse case scenario" I suppose I would pick the business/manufactoring angle (I need to eat), but again that doesn't address my core beliefs, just what I would do if faced with a survival situation. That doesn't tell us anything about what we belive makes up a healthy, balanced society; just what we fall back on if that society breaks down.
In fact, some of the questions, to me, did not even make sense. The one which stated that all children keep secrets from their parents left me thinking "Well, duh!" What does that teach us? Every child keeps secrets from their parents.
In the end, I suppose it's best to ascribe to this what has already been said, it's a fun way to waste a little time; but I wouldn't put too much wieght in the results.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Reelthing on 01/05/09 at 07:09:11


46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:
The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.",


How can such a thing be debated? Unless the writer and the artist are content to scratch their words in the sand or lay their art on a cave wall with a charcoal stick they can not exist without business and manufacturing while the inverse is not true - Unless one considers science, mathematics, engineering as art and their documentation as writing.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 01/05/09 at 08:52:14

In this ever increasingly competive world, one is dependant upon the other.  Business' and mfg's are dependant upon writers and artists for more desirable product.  While the latter are dependant upon the former to eat.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by thumperclone on 01/05/09 at 09:23:37

got quite a cluster forming in the lower left quadrant

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/09 at 09:24:35


4176767F677B7A7D74130 wrote:
[quote author=46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 link=1230801410/30#32 date=1230965461]The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.",


How can such a thing be debated? Unless the writer and the artist are content to scratch their words in the sand or lay their art on a cave wall with a charcoal stick they can not exist without business and manufacturing while the inverse is not true - Unless one considers science, mathematics, engineering as art and their documentation as writing.
[/quote]


MORE important,, I shoulda said YES, because as RT points out, from a practical point of view, no,a realistic point of view, society cant exist w/o the money makers, but I went with the smarmy answer.. I am soooo ashamed..NOT, It was the option of making the point that arts are important or not. As a young man, I woulda answered yes & stayed with it,what HAppunt to me?

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Reelthing on 01/05/09 at 11:33:27


46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:
[quote author=4176767F677B7A7D74130 link=1230801410/45#48 date=1231168151][quote author=46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 link=1230801410/30#32 date=1230965461]The businessperson and the manufacturer are more important than the writer and the artist.",


How can such a thing be debated? Unless the writer and the artist are content to scratch their words in the sand or lay their art on a cave wall with a charcoal stick they can not exist without business and manufacturing while the inverse is not true - Unless one considers science, mathematics, engineering as art and their documentation as writing.
[/quote]


MORE important,, I shoulda said YES, because as RT points out, from a practical point of view, no,a realistic point of view, society cant exist w/o the money makers, but I went with the smarmy answer.. I am soooo ashamed..NOT, It was the option of making the point that arts are important or not. As a young man, I woulda answered yes & stayed with it,what HAppunt to me?
[/quote]

Man, next you’ll be at the art car parade instead of the bike rally!      

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Reelthing on 01/05/09 at 11:37:43


4C5F4849565B5D5F540B3A0 wrote:
In this ever increasingly competive world, one is dependant upon the other.  Business' and mfg's are dependant upon writers and artists for more desirable product.  While the latter are dependant upon the former to eat.


Very true - but that seems to be a different type of writer and artist - I take it the question means pure art and pure writen er... fluff - of no practical value what ever - except for the enjoyment or enrichment of the mind

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Paladin. on 01/05/09 at 13:21:46


0334343D2539383F36510 wrote:
[quote author=4C5F4849565B5D5F540B3A0 link=1230801410/45#49 date=1231174334]...Business' and mfg's are dependant upon writers and artists for more desirable product...

Very true - but that seems to be a different type of writer and artist - I take it the question means pure art and pure writen er... fluff ....[/quote]I got hung up on "more important."  We can survive without art, a bit more difficult to survive without business/manufacturing.

As for art making a more desirable product, I disagree.  Form Follows Function.  For me, a desirable product is one that functions, and continues to function.  You get the artist in and function takes a back seat to form and you end up with pretty toys that break.

It is things like this that make -4-4 me want to sit down with mr. +6+5 Reelthing as we totally agree on this.  I have a feeling that we have a lot more agreement as to what we want and the spread comes from differing on how to get there.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 01/05/09 at 14:14:42


53626F62676A6D030 wrote:
[quote author=0334343D2539383F36510 link=1230801410/45#53 date=1231184263][quote author=4C5F4849565B5D5F540B3A0 link=1230801410/45#49 date=1231174334]...Business' and mfg's are dependant upon writers and artists for more desirable product...

Very true - but that seems to be a different type of writer and artist - I take it the question means pure art and pure writen er... fluff ....[/quote]I got hung up on "more important."  We can survive without art, a bit more difficult to survive without business/manufacturing.

As for art making a more desirable product, I disagree.  Form Follows Function.  For me, a desirable product is one that functions, and continues to function.  You get the artist in and function takes a back seat to form and you end up with pretty toys that break.

It is things like this that make -4-4 me want to sit down with mr. +6+5 Reelthing as we totally agree on this.  I have a feeling that we have a lot more agreement as to what we want and the spread comes from differing on how to get there. [/quote]
While it's true, form should follow function and that would be great if we all drove tanks.  But even then, what would you choose? a russian tank (so simple even a caveman can do it) an abrams or a challanger?
As an engineer, I'm inspired by the world around me.  I read fiction, and I write technical papers.  And I look at art (mostly what the L reaction) and mechanical art (that's what appeals to me, go figure)
So you currently have 100's of cars to choose from, which one do you choose?  You can narrow it down by price, performance, fit and function.  Then it comes down to looks.  Would you rather be seen in a Rolls, or a Lambourgetti?

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Paladin. on 01/05/09 at 18:01:30


43504746595452505B04350 wrote:
...So you currently have 100's of cars to choose from, which one do you choose?  You can narrow it down by price, performance, fit and function.  Then it comes down to looks.  Would you rather be seen in a Rolls, or a Lambourgetti?
YUCK!!  Neither.   Heh!  It was the lack of any decent choice that got the wife to ask if I had considered a motorcycle -- transportation for one person, capable of going anywhere.   There are only two cars I would not be driving reluctantly: the TaTa Nano, not available in the U.S.; and a Caterham Classic 7 (a ridiculous price tag!)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 01/05/09 at 18:23:50

The point being that even a great artist must eat.  Besides the greats works of visual art Michelangelo has created, he also invented machines of war.  And he did this to be employable.

Writers and artists must eat just like the rest of us.  If their art does not provide, they will search for a job that makes use of their talent.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/05/09 at 21:18:25

Thers a car a LOT like that Caterham in Longview. All aluminum body & not much of it with a V-6 for power. Looks like a quick little dude.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by mick on 01/06/09 at 02:52:00

I am a art lover,in fact on my trip to Paris I spent most of my time in the "Musee de Orsy" that have nothing but impressionist paintings,
Degas,La Trec,Vincent van Goch,and many others,while I appreciat all of there works and realy enjoy looking at them, I got much more enjoyment at the model engineres exibition in Earls Court in London,and at the science musium ,also in London.
That being said it was a difficult question for me to answer,I chose Art
for the simple reason I see art every where,the beautiful lines of a
Ducati,the simplicity of a Manx Norton,to me are art forms, art is a combernation of business and pleasure.
If you go into a coffee shop and order a piece of pie that is exactly what you get ,if you order the same thing in a 4 star restaurant ,you get some thing that is not just tasty but some thing with eye appeal.
I don't know where I am going with this ,but I'm sure you get the idea.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by serowbot on 01/06/09 at 10:21:28

In the short view, we all gotta' eat... we all want warm clothes....but in the long view, names like Michaelangelo, DaVinci, Shakespeare, Mozart, Chaucer,...define their times....
I give the nod to the artist,
Homer didn't sell carpets.....    

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 01/06/09 at 11:27:29

I don't know what it was like in homer's time, but Michaelangelo had an army of apprentices.  The untalented probably minded the store.

I don't know what homer did, but I'll wager he didn't write epic's from birth.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by serowbot on 01/06/09 at 13:06:21

O.K., so he was  'Homer the plummer ' on the side, but it's not what he's remembered for......

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 01/06/09 at 13:28:00

Ursela Minor said he had a crack that wouldn't quit.   :o

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Gort on 01/06/09 at 13:51:00


72767C746B777A7376727A661F0 wrote:
I am a art lover,in fact on my trip to Paris I spent most of my time in the "Musee de Orsy" that have nothing but impressionist paintings,
Degas,La Trec,Vincent van Goch,and many others,while I appreciat all of there works and realy enjoy looking at them, I got much more enjoyment at the model engineres exibition in Earls Court in London,and at the science musium ,also in London.
That being said it was a difficult question for me to answer,I chose Art
for the simple reason I see art every where,the beautiful lines of a
Ducati,the simplicity of a Manx Norton,to me are art forms, art is a combernation of business and pleasure.
If you go into a coffee shop and order a piece of pie that is exactly what you get ,if you order the same thing in a 4 star restaurant ,you get some thing that is not just tasty but some thing with eye appeal.
I don't know where I am going with this ,but I'm sure you get the idea.




Well said, Mick.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jay on 01/07/09 at 23:22:52

Part of the problem with this poll was its insistence on drawing its participants into deciding between two, often, diametrically opposing points of view; as with the bussiness versus art question. It reduced core beliefs to opposing sides, with out the consideration of the possibility of a third. The shade of grey, if you will.
So instead of this,
A     vs      B       an opposing viewpoint (the poll)

you can get this,

A (best)  +  B (best) = C(ab)
                        a triangulated viewpoint that can draw from the very  
                         best of both "A" and "B"  (life)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 01/07/09 at 23:33:19

What I couldn't understand is how they can decide you have to be an art lover to be a democrat and pro-life to be a republican amoung many things.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Starlifter on 01/10/09 at 08:08:20

Yes, and along those lines one must ask, why do most pro-lifers want an electric chair in every county seat in the nation cause they LOVE capital punishment?

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Starlifter on 01/10/09 at 08:12:11

And another question.

How do totally unqualified idiots like bush & palin ever become governors? How do these two examples of brain dead politicians ever become governors of the United States?

How can two people who don't even read newspapers and books, two people who couldn't find their own asses with a map and directions EVER get this far up the political ladder?

My God, how many functionally illiterate, bona fide insane senators, congress folks, and governors ARE there?


Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Starlifter on 01/10/09 at 08:23:55

Ah well....there is hope on the horizon.

He isn't running the country...yet...  
But you can see it in his eyes...

And in the way he holds his shoulders...

The way he strides down the halls of power...

The way he answers the questions of reporters who aren't used to having them answered seriously...

The way he watches those around him, never missing a thing, never seeming to be off-guard...

The People's Business awaits him, and he knows it...

He is ready.

Welcome home, Mr. President-elect Obama...

Your people await you.


Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Paladin. on 01/10/09 at 09:13:27


0E293C2F31343B29382F5D0 wrote:
(1)... why do most pro-lifers ... LOVE capital punishment?

(2)How do totally unqualified idiots like bush & palin ever become governors?

(3) how many functionally illiterate, bona fide insane senators, congress folks, and governors ARE there?

1.  Capitalization matters -- pro-life people are for-life and against capital punishment.  Most people are pro-life.  "Pro-Life" as in the political movement, is anti legal abortion.  They are of the authorative bent and want abortion illegal as a punishment for wonton sex.  Or something like that; they are obviously not against abortion itself as their policies promote more abortions.

2.  Can you say "figurehead" or "puppet"?  They are just the sweet talking front men for the hidden seat of power.

3.  That, along with what goes into sausages, is something you really do not want to know.  I would place money on "majority" and would not be surprised at "vast majority."

This country is actually NOT run by our elected officials.  It is run by the huge faceless Bureaucracy.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Starlifter on 01/10/09 at 09:16:44

Well, you may have a point there.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/09 at 11:01:53

It is run by the huge faceless Bureaucracy.  



& they are bought, threatened or blackmailed into doing the bidding of those who would enslave me & you.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by mick on 01/10/09 at 22:46:56

Speaking of dumming down America ,it has to start with the ouster of art and music from school ,as well as the removal of wood shop and metal shop,and then to top it all of the powers that be decided that the three "Rs" are more important,more dumming down right there,
Three Rs meaning reading righting rithmatic,why don't the call it
R W A ?  , no child left behind my tushy,they are left behind at the get go, or gee gee for you late grads.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Starlifter on 01/11/09 at 10:18:02

Heh, no child left a dime under Bush.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/11/09 at 10:37:25

I hope in 4 years those who believe in Obama have been proven right. I dont care who turns this country around. If he can just start the process of bringing jobs back & undo some of the egregious encroachments on the rights & freedoms of the people he will be reelected. he will have my vote & loud support.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by PiaFea on 01/11/09 at 18:46:03

E: -3.12
S: 1.85

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by gerald.hughes on 01/11/09 at 19:00:50

Human beings do not seem to have any trouble with mental paradoxes.  I find it somewhat amusing that we seem so ready to force people into boxes when every person is an individual, and there is only one of them in  the universe.  We can use statistics to create categories to partition people, but there is always more variation within the categories than there is difference between the categories.  Lets just rejoice in the fact that so many diverse individuals all love to ride the same machine.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by mpescatori on 01/12/09 at 07:09:42


60515C5154595E300 wrote:
[quote author=4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 link=1226334865/675#685 date=1230785278]Heres a fun little "test" to see where individuals line up politically....


Would be very interesting.

Political Compass Org. (http://www.politicalcompass.org) -- click on "take the test" (upper left), post your numbers, and I'll add you to the chart and the list.

http://www.savageriders.com/images/PoliticalCompass.gif

Economic   Social
Left/          Libertarian/
Right         Authoritarian  User:

 6.12     5.33   Reelthing (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7443434A524E4F4841260)
 2.75     3.08   Jerry Eichenberger (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=2C232F252E2328242334212334460)
 0.88     3.18   Toymaker (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=754944754E584C404A4453210)
 2.12     1.08   grandpa (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5643505F554150310)
 2.50     0.62   skrapiron -FSO (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=637B62716079627F7E100)
-0.25     1.33   bill67 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=505B5E5E0405320)
 1.50    -0.51   babbalou (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5F5C5F5F5C5152483D0)
 1.88    -1.33   sjaskow (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=352C27352D2931460)
-3.12     1.85   PiaFea (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=0E373F183B3F5E0)
 0.50    -3.95   justin_o_guy2 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620)
-0.62    -2.97   verslagen1 (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7A697E7F606D6B69623D0C0)
-3.25    -0.46   vargas (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=79687F7F71232D291A0)
-3.88    -0.67   Southpaw (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=6F534948544C5D4B3C0)
-4.50    -1.54   ALfromN.H. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=28252B2B7F490)
-5.00    -1.18   Jay (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=666D75607C3D3D0C0)
-3.75    -2.58   Ed L. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5F7E4556341A0)
-4.50    -2.15   Trippah (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=72544F5656474E260)
-3.75    -3.08   sluggo (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=4E51485A5A523D0)
-4.25    -2.67   Charon (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=715A53405D5C320)
-4.00   - 3.08   mick (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=55515B534C505D5451555D41380)
-5.62    -1.85   Bobbert (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=675A575047415A585A50350)
-5.00    -2.87   thumperclone (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=465A475F425740515E5D5C57320)
-4.00    -4.21   Paladin. (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=5B6A676A6F62650B0)
-5.75    -5.25   forrest (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=040D1010071116620)
-5.88    -5.13   serowbot (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=1107100D15000D16620)
-8.38    -5.23   gerald.hughes (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=464453404D450F495446494452210)
-7.12    -7.23   Jonny_Chicago (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=7A7F7E7E694F7378797371777F100)
-7.38    -7.54   Starlifter (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=0F283D2E30353A28392E5C0)
[/quote]

Me... -6.12   -2.62, I'm supposed to be a Libertarian Leftie ?  :o

Ya gotta be kidding... I'm even in favor of dog food (eco-friendly way to dispose of the Green milers...)  8-)

Must be my,,, how'dya guys call it ? Commie Socialist Government-run Social Security?  :D

Still, sometimes a sawn-off shotgun and a load of 00-buckshot makes you think twice... 8-)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by TheFid on 01/29/09 at 07:18:32

Eco -3.0
Social -0.72.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Mr 650 on 02/11/09 at 20:50:33

Economic -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44

I tend to favor the rights of the common man vs. big corps/govt.

Who defines this maps zero?  ;D
It is arbitrary.  ::)


Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Mr 650 on 02/11/09 at 21:18:19

Bush or BO,

Lots of pork coming now, both sides of the aisle are gonna pile on. spend, & print money 'til the dollar is dragged down to the peso & hello amero?


I was thinking that if this test was shooting for score or group,
then this chart is grouping fairly close to our SS.com ammo. However, I would adjust the scope for the bulls eye.
My score being zero...ok maybe not.
I will agree I scored just right & low (libertarian) of the main grouping. I'd buy that.

So properly I suppose I should zero the SS.com test off of that group & ignore those 'flyers'   ;D
Ed. L seems to be our 'zero'...er Bull's eye!


002732213F3A35273621530 wrote:
Heh, no child left a dime under Bush.


Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Hard Corps on 02/16/09 at 20:45:08

Economic: 0.0
Libertarian: -1.64

I guess I'm pretty centrist?  I'm may be the most open-minded gun-toting, religious, humanitarian, environmentalist you've met.  But I know what I think, and why.  Prove me wrong through logic (not rhetoric) and I'll change my mind.  I am extremely conservative morally, but believe the government should butt the h377 out of our personal business.  

For example, I personally believe homosexual activity (not feelings/orientation) is immoral, but only as much as heterosexual promiscuity is--nothing to judge or shun, just one choice people make in life that I happen to think is less than the best (but, again, how many "less than ideal" choices of lifestyle do I have? too many) [my gay friends know this about me and accept it, because I accept and love them- sexuality is personal and should stay that way]; but it's certainly none of the governments d@mn business what goes on in your bedroom.  

Likewise, I don't smoke pot, but I don't think possession of small quantities for personal use should be a crime.  If you want to strip naked, paint yourself blue and sit in your basement eating daisies and watching Bollywood movies, while you reload shotgun shells, hey, it's a free country, brother.  

I am against globalization for the most part, and also believe the government should butt out of our commercial business.  America first, and the little man is the big priority.  Get rid of the USDA, OSHA, the FDA, the DEA and the BATFE.  Let the buyer beware.  If I fry my donuts in motor oil, I'll go out of business soon enough.  If I want to buy steel from China to make knives, they'll be a great price point, but won't compare to American blades.  If I put my employees in hazardous conditions, eventually I won't have very many employees and my business will fail.  ATFE should be a convenience store.  The market will decide.  

I am generally opposed to the actions of most large financial institutions, and conglomerate corporations.  I avoid buying unnecessarily from WalMart, Microsoft and a host of others.  I like to keep my money local.  But I'm a strict capitalist.  If you don't work, you don't eat.  

And charity work is none of the government's business, either.  Americans donated more out of pocket to help the Tsunami victims than the US Gov't. did.  I've worked for the Salvation Army, donate my time regularly to a plethora of charities and give money to support overseas medical work in India and clean water in Africa.  

I am a "Nazi" for education.  I think reading, writing, and arithmetic are foundational, but rote memory is worthless without the ability to critically analyze and debate logically.  On the other hand, I think compulsory public education is a sham.  I know people with Master's degrees who can't spell.  This used to be called illiteracy.  

I think murderers, rapists and child-molesters should be put to death, but I don't think SWAT teams should be able to raid organic food co-ops for violating some obscure FDA regulation.  The cops should have the right to shoot known felons who assault them, but they shouldn't have the right to search my car or my house without the governor's signature or senate approval.  I think our military should be the most well-equipped and most-powerful on earth, but I don't think we should go sticking our noses where they don't belong.  I'm all for killing terrorists.  But I'm against creating more by camping out in the sacred territory of their holy land and running over their goats and children with tactical vehicles.  I'm in favor of using force to stop oppression, but don't figure we need to try and make every nation on earth conform to our way of thinking/government.  

I believe in fiscal responsibility.  I don't use credit.  If I don't have the cash, I guess I'm not buying it.  I'll build a cabin on a small plot of land with my own two hands, and pay for it a nail at a time.  So why should our government force its citizens into indebtedness for the next innumerable generations?  If a company fails, it fails.  Let the chips fall where they may.  If someone can't afford a $500k house, let them rent an apartment.  There's no constitutional right to an oversized SUV and McMansion.  Why should anyone be bailed out?  On the other hand, someone has to take care of the disabled, the injured and the dispossessed; especially the veterans who have sacrificed their limbs and mental health on the altar of unconsitutional "police actions".  

If you think government run health-care is the answer, look at the miserable excuse we call the VA.  If you think government can educate us, look at the dropping test scores.  If you think government can fix the economy, who do you think got us in this mess in the first place?  If you think the government can protect you, wait 9 minutes for the cops to arrive when a thug is in your house with a gun.  (And I used to be a cop...)  If you think the government can protect the food supply and regulate medicines, look at the peanuts, the melamine milk and the side-effects of half the pharmaceuticals on TV.  From driving around in Missouri, I'm pretty sure they can't even do that well building roads.  So what are they good at?  Lying and stealing.  Any surprise?  

I guess I'm a strict Constitutional, Capitalist, Charity-driven, Small-government, Libertarian Environmentalist.  I believe in voluntary socialism.  I give to friends in need and don't turn away from a brother who asks for help.  But governmentally coerced socialism is theft and discourages personal accountability and responsibility.  I have a military mindset, but was raised to question authority.  I believe that authority and respect are earned not granted.  I hate partisan politics and think both the Republicrats and Demogogues are spineless fascists, with no shred of concern for anything other than their own wallets and sense of power who want to control every part of your life from your income to your education, your healthcare and your retirement.  Who needs the bums? Throw 'em out, I say! It's supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave.  Maybe we aren't free anymore, because too few are brave enough to face the consequences of life and fend for themselves.      

I would love to see a third or fourth party sweep these yea-hoo's out of Washington and blend the commonalities of the hippies and the Amish, with the writings of the Founding Fathers.  That would be change I can believe in.  

My $.02.  Adjusted for hyperinflation.  

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/19/09 at 00:20:13

Hard Corp for president! Hes got my vote..

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by LANCER on 02/19/09 at 04:04:03

Well said Hard Corps, we have about 98% commonality   ;).

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jimmer on 02/19/09 at 04:42:53

My score was Eco-4.5 and Lib Auth -.46                                                
Now I know where I stand in this society.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Mr 650 on 02/27/09 at 04:15:46

HC, can I buy you a beer?!

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by ineclipse on 03/12/09 at 09:57:20

anarchism is on the graph, but there are no questions on that test that should distinguish an American liberal from an anarchist. every question presumes the existence of a state and law. you cant trick an anarchist into agreeing with hierarchy of command by saying something like, "Do you believe it should be illegal for multinational corporations to rape impoverished indigenous peoples?" Yes, I have a very earnest resistance to such actions, but I believe there should not be law to force anyone into doing anything. So you are out of context in both facets. And those businesses sprawled out of an earth tilled by an oppressive government in the first place, that granted power to those with a greater pursuit in profit than in human well being.

Just wanted to point that out. /The questions in this test are too vague to depict anything more than American liberal in a free market, or an American conservative in the same boat. You goin right or left? I see it being nothing more than a way to springboard ourselves into the much more beneficial world of communication, and I commend those with a relationship to their politics and morals similar to Hard Corps. Thanks for you willingness to clarify all this test could not.
but crappity smack it:

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.36

Much love, Luke.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 03/12/09 at 11:36:37

Holy cow, what was that?  I think someone hit the stops.   ;D

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by sockmonkeygirl on 04/09/09 at 12:06:53

My political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.18

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Jay on 04/09/09 at 20:34:53

Hard Corps, I like you. You are all right. I'll buy ya a round too. Well said.
justin_o_guy2, organize the campaign, we'll get this fella elected!

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by LANCER on 04/10/09 at 05:16:03

Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=3.25&soc=-0.56

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Mortation on 04/10/09 at 07:18:27

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.75&soc=-0.31

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by aebooze on 04/20/09 at 08:15:50

Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -.26

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.88&soc=-0.26

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Reelthing on 04/28/09 at 21:29:24

Guess I've went soft -

Economic Left/Right: 7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.10

http://savageriders.com/reelthing/pics/savage/dagraf.png


Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by stratman on 05/12/09 at 00:40:43

econ -8.88
soc   -6.56

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by High-Def on 05/23/09 at 07:43:06

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh270/HiD3F/pcgraphpng.png

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/12/09 at 08:46:40

Eco: -7.00
Soc: -3.23


Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by LostArtist on 06/15/09 at 00:05:13

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by FreeSpirit on 06/18/09 at 02:30:12

I have no idea what this even means

Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21

Does it mean a Free Spirit?
If not,the test is wrong ;)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by gazoo07 on 07/10/09 at 11:36:23

Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.74

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by srinath on 07/10/09 at 11:47:40

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.31

Show graph on separate page for printing

That is me.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by bill67 on 07/10/09 at 15:57:32

  If I remember right I was closes to the middle of the road of any one here.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by tcreeley on 07/12/09 at 21:35:21

Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51

Kind of interesting- this.

TC

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Louisiana_Geezer on 07/24/09 at 08:01:51

I'm a bit surprised at my own score (that puts me in the bottom right quadrant), but near the center.

I found many of the questions very troubling, especially in view of the fact that I was once involved in developing just such a test for Carnegie-Melon University.

Despite their claims to the contrary, communism and fascism have similar ends.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by LostArtist on 07/24/09 at 09:02:15


73787D7D2726110 wrote:
  If I remember right I was closes to the middle of the road of any one here.


you're my hero   :-*   ;)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Tonydtiger1971 on 07/27/09 at 20:35:51

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.15

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Duane on 08/25/09 at 13:15:37

Well I sometimes call myself a libertarian but that's only because most people don't know what anarchist means. Most people hear you're an anarchist and they think you're getting ready to throw a bomb at a building. ~ Robert Anton Wilson

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Tonydtiger1971 on 08/26/09 at 15:23:34


79485C53583D0 wrote:
Well I sometimes call myself a libertarian but that's only because most people don't know what anarchist means. Most people hear you're an anarchist and they think you're getting ready to throw a bomb at a building. ~ Robert Anton Wilson



Tell me about it.  I would like to think of myself as a Rational Anarchist.  That doesn't go over well either.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by madd-trapper on 09/01/09 at 16:28:45

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.87

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Steel-Cowboy on 09/09/09 at 18:29:32

economic 1.5   social  2.0

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Hard Corps on 09/21/09 at 18:37:33


23282D2D7776410 wrote:
  If I remember right I was closes to the middle of the road of any one here.


Bill, you were E: -0.25; S: 1.33
Net value of 1.08 Socialist Authoritarian.

I came out at E: 0.0; S: -1.64
Net value of -1.64 Neutral Libertarian.

Does that mean I'm to the left of you?  :o

Thanks to all for the presidential endorsements and the beers.  I'll let you know when I kick off my campaign.  I'll cash in on the beers next time I ride through your region and crash in your basement/back yard.  8-)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by dinsdale on 09/22/09 at 06:46:16

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by prsavage on 09/22/09 at 21:33:43

Left/Right -6.75
Social Libertarian/Autoritarian -2.87

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Tonydtiger1971 on 10/07/09 at 16:30:40

Do they update this anymore?

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by DesertDweller on 10/09/09 at 18:22:07

Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

I am a lefty I guess  :P

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by jane on 10/10/09 at 21:16:44

Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

About what I would have expected. I guess that I am a bit of a bleeding heart commie pinko!!!
Jane

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Phelonius on 12/11/09 at 11:06:14


48434C47220 wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

About what I would have expected. I guess that I am a bit of a bleeding heart commie pinko!!!
Jane


Maybe so but you are a cute rider and I always look forward to seeing you in the shop.  Too bad the weather is so Siberian lately.

Phelonius ::)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Serowbot on 12/11/09 at 11:54:38


6647514750566655474E4E4750220 wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -8.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

I am a lefty I guess  :P

Interesting,... all the Tucson riders are lefty's...

somethin' in the water....;D

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by tldk1678 on 12/15/09 at 17:51:32

Economic L/R = 2.75
Social Lib/Auth = -1.85

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by wolfmrp on 12/15/09 at 21:21:18

Eco -6.00
Social -4.21

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by Serowbot on 12/15/09 at 21:54:59


4F57545E554A48380 wrote:
Eco -6.00
Social -4.21

Yeah!.... ;)

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by sugar n spice on 12/30/09 at 01:53:46

I just joined this forum and haven't introduced myself yet but I took the quiz and here's where I stand:

Economic Left/Right: -2.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.69



I live in my own little world but it's all right, they know me here.   :P

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by BurnPgh on 12/30/09 at 02:05:03

economic , -8.38
libertarian/authoritarian , -4.46

and I hang a red flag out my window every may 1st.

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by crabpainter on 04/03/10 at 19:32:37

Economic Left/Right: -1.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.51

I'll bet that sites server's red hot!! I must have had forces pulling hard in both directions at the same time to pull those numbers. :-?

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by earlytimz on 04/24/10 at 20:42:23

1.62 / -.05

http://i44.tinypic.com/ib9iki.png

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by spacepirates on 04/25/10 at 11:22:28

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.21

Title: Re: Political Compass
Post by verslagen1 on 12/19/10 at 18:42:45

There's a few new one's, are you going to update?

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