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Title: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 11/09/08 at 17:22:14 Man this motor was about to drop the plunger on the chain and the oil plug was very loose. I see why it had oil all over it... dirty inside also but the bore looks good... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture132.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture134.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture138.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture136.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture137.jpg Video. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/th_Picture135.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/?action=view¤t=Picture135.flv) |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by SavRon on 11/09/08 at 17:50:12 Yep, About to drop the plunger is right. How many miles are on this beast ? Fix the tensioner, oil plug, polish the bore, new piston rings ( if necessary ), check the valves, a good clean - up, re-assembly and fire her up. Good Luck on re-assembly. I see the refreshments are in order. :) |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by verslagen1 on 11/09/08 at 18:53:42 That's the old style plug. The new style will be filled. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/09/08 at 19:27:50 Wow, I am so lucky. I had the top off, did the cam & chain & had no idea the oil plug was Right There.Glad I didnt mess that up. Next time Im in there Ill pop it out & check the head torque. After almost 20,000 miles I bet its time. Ohhh what's 19,400 miles between friends? Fix it up, Mike. Nice work area. Looks like it holds fluids. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by Kropatchek on 11/10/08 at 05:13:28 7E6167607D7A4B7B4B73616D26140 wrote:
Don't mess with the headnuts if you have no leaking headgasket. @ mike the plug schould be installed WITH sealant ( the book doesnot mention that!!!!!) |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by Digger on 12/05/08 at 20:37:46 755B56545C645641565052370 wrote:
If I didn't know any better, I'd say the bore looked good.....I think I can see cross-hatch marks in there. How many miles were on the engine when you tore into it? Inquiring minds want to know. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by saluteTOme on 12/05/08 at 20:45:15 i'm sorry for a noob question: I'm trying to learn...what you mean the plunger is about to drop? Also where do you see the plug? |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by verslagen1 on 12/05/08 at 21:20:24 273538212031001B3931540 wrote:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture134.jpg See that rod just above the gear in the middle? That's the tensioner assembly. See how the plungers at an angle to the housing? It's about to fall out. bad, very bad. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by saluteTOme on 12/06/08 at 06:46:34 gotcha!...Thanks. I plan on changing my oil soon and when I do, I wanted to inspect the chain but hasn't exactly sure how to do it...now I do! Where do you guys see the oil plug? Isn't it much lower on the block and none of the pics show that low. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by verslagen1 on 12/06/08 at 11:12:19 465459404150617A5850350 wrote:
I think it was in the video which is now disconnected. be sure to check out... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1191167029 |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/06/08 at 15:22:54 5F727C7C7E691B0 wrote:
If I didn't know any better, I'd say the bore looked good.....I think I can see cross-hatch marks in there. How many miles were on the engine when you tore into it? Inquiring minds want to know. [/quote] The speedo says 12,700 miles but was told it was hard miles....lol And yes it still had cross hatching marks, but I run a hone with WD-40 up and down a few passes just to freshen things up a bit, I'll need to do a few hard roll ons and hard decorations the first time out but thats about it... I'll also change the oil after like 5 miles to make sure all contaminants are cleaned out. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/06/08 at 15:25:53 Clutch plates are at the min allowed working thickness so they need replacing, and I run the steel plates under a new wire wheel and scuffed them up good like that of light sand blasting.... they had a few shinny spots on each one.... |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/06/08 at 15:52:11 Head work.... I'll fill in the lower section of the intake with JB-Weld, relieved the intake valves and worked over the exhaust side... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture098.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture099.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture093.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture094.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture103.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture101.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture102.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by saluteTOme on 12/06/08 at 19:18:20 do you have to put on a new gasket when you take off the side cover? I was working on the bike today and noticed the gasket looked like the gel kind you just squeeze on around the sides.Or do you take it off and dont worry about the gasket as long as you dont damage it? |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/06/08 at 19:30:46 Not damaged = good = save a you munneeee for something nice for Christmas for Me! See how easy that was? I havent seen this discussed, so, here goes. Looks to me like the clutch cover might just be Okay without a gasket, just a light dose on each side of Zuki Bond whatever, let it tack up & Sssschlap it on there. Pro Guru Types? |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by verslagen1 on 12/06/08 at 19:51:12 I've reused gaskets many times, as long as they are fairly new and hold together most likely they won't leak. But good to have a spare in case it does. There is a bit of sealer around the oil channel at the top. I did add a little sealer the 1st time I reused it but haven't done it others since. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/10/08 at 13:57:01 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture109.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by verslagen1 on 12/10/08 at 14:02:55 How many holes does it take to fill in the albert hall? ;D |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/10/08 at 14:23:43 As you may know the little dimples act just like those found on a Golf Ball, makes a cushion of air at the intake floor.. All this is to help speed up the intake charge as the intake is really to large for the size of the valves and the low lift of the cam, you think it has low end power now, try this and it will improve alot, and wont hinder power in the upper rpm range, in fact it helps that also.. I used a little longer stud so it sticks up into the JB-Weld to lock it in place no matter how many heat cycles it see's... |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/10/08 at 23:01:07 Im with you on the dimples, but what kind of toll did you use to make them? I used a little longer stud so it sticks up into the JB-Weld to lock it in place no matter how many heat cycles it see's... Stud? Where? If I go in there I want to not need to go back. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/11/08 at 09:44:44 The head has a stud in the front and back that stays in it when the head is removed,,, it sticks up into the intake port, I just got one what was a little longer so it gave the JB-Weld an anchor along with the notches on the port floor I made... And I used a welding rod that I bent the tip 90* and right as the JB-Weld was getting real thick I simply poked the dots http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture098.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/orange-appeal/Savage%20Trike/Picture093.jpg |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/08 at 09:53:13 Okay, you roughed the floor up in there, then put JB weld down, then poked dents in it as it set up. Any chance of the JB weld getting old & cracking & winding up IN the cylinder? |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/11/08 at 10:18:13 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
Not that I would think... I put it all down at one time so no layers to separate, I cleaned the port very good, heated the head up to a little over 100* and rub'd a little on the floor to get it on real good like, put in the rest and kept it nice and warm until it started setting up. I have heard of others having it brake loose but you know some people wont mix it real good, or clean real good or leave thin areas that can brake loose.... I did as good of a job to make sure it stays in place over the years as I could... I have used JB-Weld to seal up an exhaust manifold on a Pontiac 445 one time , it had warped so bad the new gasket wouldnt seal, so I put some JB in the gap and let setup for a day... sold the car 2 years later and it was dark in color but sealed up with no leaks.. Well see. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/08 at 21:52:39 I fixed a seal surface that had been fluid cut on a frac pump with JB weld.Frac pumps operate at pressures high eniough to Fracture the formation downhole in oilwells, so they put up a lot of PSI. As soon as that pump came back from that job they pulled the fluid end of the pump off & sent it to be repaired. Welded up & machined.So, yea, the method of "wetting" the surface with the JB weld( the Very Clean surface) & then applying on top of that is important. It is the way I do all epoxy work. Depending on application, I may use more or less hardener. In the intake I would use a little less, hoping it would never get brittle. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by kennycreed on 12/12/08 at 06:11:45 I bought an LS for spares that had been lying for three years, the guy said that the engine was shot that it needed a new piston as it was pumping the oil out of the head which I thought was strange, anyway when I got it home I found that there was plenty compression but the oil was coming out of the head cover bolt on the right hand side aft beside the camshaft it was stripped, I pulled the bolt and put a wooden plug in there and she started up and ran perfect so now I am thinking of restoring it if I can fix the bolt hole without having to buy a new cylinder If I took the head off and filled the stripped bolt hole with J.B. weld and drilled and taped it would the J. B. be strong enough to stand torquing the cover |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by verslagen1 on 12/12/08 at 08:13:13 Becare there Kenny, one of those bolts also serves as a oil passage. If you plug the wrong one, you'll starve the head for oil. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/12/08 at 09:09:47 2D2328283F2534232322460 wrote:
NO !................. drill it out and tap it, install a HeliCoil and reinstall the bolt. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by kennycreed on 12/12/08 at 10:02:37 can I helicoil small enough for a 8mm bolt if I can It's definitely the answer,cheers |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by kennycreed on 12/12/08 at 10:14:56 I see a helicoil kit on ebay for M8 X 1.25 would this do the job I have never used helicoil before is it reasonably straight forward,,all the best,,kenny |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by mikestrikes on 12/12/08 at 14:02:08 Just drill and tap the next size up and install if room permits for the next size up... From a few times I've used it they are better than the original alum taped holes... |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by srinath on 12/12/08 at 18:18:17 Tap to a SAE size. 5/16th maybe or something similar. If its fine thread, you can go to a coarse thread in SAE. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Oil plug and Cam Chain oh NO ! Post by kennycreed on 12/12/08 at 23:30:19 Thanks all for coming back, helicoil is the way to go but I won't know for sure until I make with the spanners what I'll looks like an expanded diagram of the engine. The pesky little bolt (or stud) in question can be view with awe and wonder in the Clymer bible, chapter 4, page 81, revelations (figure) 46.It's the criminal or hooligan with the locating dowel on top that lives beside the cam chain tensioner bolt and washer, and as you can see there doesn't seem to be to much meat for drilling and tapping where it threads into the cylinder at the bottom of the head, but that enlightenment will have to be pondered upon until I make a forensic inspection of it,,wishing all the best to you all,, and THANKS! |
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