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Message started by stillborn on 09/19/08 at 20:35:01

Title: hardtail?
Post by stillborn on 09/19/08 at 20:35:01

I really like the look of these rat choppers that started life out as a cb550, xs650, blah blah...... I was just curuious about the gs500 engine and the savage engine in a hardtail bobber/chopper. Im pretty positive that the gs500 would out do the savage engine, but would either be a better heart than a cb550 or xs 650?

still

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by SV og LS on 09/20/08 at 00:26:42

Better parts availability. Last CB550/650 were sold around 1984 I recall, XS650 about 1983. So you'd be buying at least 25 year old lumps which sooner or later need a gasket or a model specific seal or whatever. LS650 and GS500 parts are much easier to find.

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by PerrydaSavage on 09/20/08 at 02:59:50

Saw a cool GS500 custom over at bikepics.com recently and got to thinkin' ... it's a tried and true motor, an air-cooled parallel twin (one of the best st-ups goin' for a Bike engine IMHO) ... and wondered ... would it fit in a Savage frame?
Anyone ever tried this??

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by Demin on 09/20/08 at 06:34:15

There are ALOT of parts out there for the XS,from frames to remanufactured engines,to turn key custom bikes that are all new.
Check out, mikes xs parts,ardcore choppers,gs motor company,tcbros,etc.
There are a bunch of them being built on another site I am on. www.bobbertalk.com check it out a bunch of good guys over there.
I don't klnow about the Honda 650,but the 750 has alot of stuff available.Check out www.hondachopper.com they can tell you more about it.
There is a guy(Tigman)on here,and a couple other sites that will hardtail a Savage frame.

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by Demin on 09/20/08 at 06:36:52

Here is my '77 XS650.
http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/08/08/bikepics-1379051-800.jpg
Here is my last '87 Savage,hardtailed with struts.
http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/05/23/bikepics-1298489-800.jpg

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by SV og LS on 09/20/08 at 07:37:54

73727A7E79170 wrote:

Damm, I just took a look at what Heiden Tuning has and one could possibly build a complete brand new XS with what they've got. And the parts are actually quite cheap. I nearly bought one with Uncle Bunt's hardtail frame in 1995 or 1996 but got a Savage instead.

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by rigidchop on 09/20/08 at 13:57:35

keep in mind that hondachopper.com is a sohc 750 site only. 69 -78 models only. i can garauntee that a 750 won't come close to fitting in a savage frame. i have 4 of them, they are quite large. try slickschoppers.com or thechopperunderground.com.

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by stillborn on 09/20/08 at 15:03:22

Demin,... both those bikes look pretty rad, and have the look Im going for. Realisticly I would like it to be a bar hopper/ around town bike. I don't think I would really go more than 50 miles round trip on the thing... But I still want a quick bike capable of highway speeds... how does your savage hold up to the yamaha? Would I be better off waiting for a GS500 engine?

still

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by Demin on 09/20/08 at 16:56:57

The 650 isn't built yet,but I will tell you that all of my Savages are capable of highway speeds.I live about 25 miles north of Dallas,and I run the interstates all the time between 70,and 80 mph,and they get there fairly quick.Not a sport bike by far,but good enough.There are threads on here for carb,and exhaust mods,and for chain conversion for more topend.Oh by the way I'm 6'3"and 270lbs(ish).

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by stillborn on 09/20/08 at 18:55:21

Hey, good times! I live in the HEB area, but work downtown Dallas most of the time. Does the Savage ever feel a little cramped? Im sure it wouldn't be a problem for me... Im about 5'8 & 1/2 and 200 lbs.

Good times,

still

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by Demin on 09/20/08 at 19:06:27

Ed_L forward controls,4".I also have a set of 5".
http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/03/16/bikepics-1218998-800.jpg

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by ying_hk on 11/08/08 at 19:48:25

the purple finsih is amazing!
is there any site that give lesson that how to make that?
thanks.

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by sluggo on 11/08/08 at 22:51:41

575A5353465651583F0 wrote:

the purple finsih is amazing!
is there any site that give lesson that how to make that?
thanks.

it's real easy. http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j257/dsluggo/IMG_1180.jpg

anything fits anything. stare at it...... then gor for it dude............

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by Birdmove on 11/09/08 at 09:42:50

Here's a Savage thats for sale in Wa. State. Not mine, but I like it. Price seems high for an older one??
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/mcy/908995409.html

Looks like a fun ride though.

jon

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by Demin on 11/09/08 at 09:52:31

That's a good lookin' scoot 8-).If they're done right they'll bring the money.Look past the flat black paint.Whitewalls,pinstriping,etc. none of that is cheap.I got just short of 3g's for the purple one.When(if)I ever get my other two bulds done they'll be right in the same range.

Title: Re: hardtail?
Post by srinath on 11/10/08 at 11:12:20

I have had 16 GS500's so far. The 4 savages I have had pales in comparison with that ...
The GS is not as well made as the savage, and it is easy to work on, but that is mainly cos the frame of the savage is idiotic ... like exhaust pipe, foot peg carrier etc etc all fitted on the side stand and messing up the ease of taking the side covers off ...
The GS'es perimeter frame lets you do everything easy too ...
However the GS is a semi high revving motor and it comers alive past 4K or so and runs out of breath at 9.
It aint no savage ... not really torquey, they gave it cams with a lot of duration ... its revvy and not torquey.
You could do a cafe or somehting out of the older GS450 and its easily fixed up with GS500 parts if needed ... but I wont do GS motor in savage frame ... that's like throwing 2 negatives together ...

A savage motor GS500 sport single ... now you're talking. The GS annoyingly has 17 inch tires in a 130 width and chain drive ... instead it should ahve had 15 inch 150 wide rear tire and belt drive.
In fact, a DR650 motor in a GS body will be fun. As will my GR650 motor in a GS ... ;)

Cool.
Srinath.