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Message started by Mattdw on 09/05/08 at 11:37:46

Title: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Mattdw on 09/05/08 at 11:37:46

All,

Have a '96 Savage, all OEM stuff, air filter, muffler. I bought Lancer's kit and installed the 150 main jet, and all 3 washers for the spacer mod. Lowest and mid-range throttle are perfect. However, with WOT, still have a dead zone, almost as if there were too much fuel flowing.
Can this be right ?
If I put back my original jet, which I believe was a 145, can I leave the pilot jet in that came with the Lancer kit ?
What change in behavior might I expect ?
On a positive note, the BIG BANG is gone, but I still need the WOT throttle response.

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by T Mack 1 on 09/05/08 at 12:12:56

Hmmmm....

So,  fuel circuits that react to throttle position are:
0 to 1/4 throttle: pilot / low speed screw & Jet
1/8 to 3/4 throttle:  needle position (spacers)
3/4 to WOT the size of Main jet.

With that said,  the 150 should be ok with a stock setup.   The WOT is a stumper,   how is it a 7/8 throttle?  In other words,  go  to WOT and then roll it back a little.......

Also,  check the plug.    Too much fuel will be black.   But  if you replced the pilot jet, then it might be black from too much fuel at slow speed.

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Mtn. Man on 09/05/08 at 12:18:21

If you're thinking its getting too much fuel at WOT, maybe time to ditch the stock air box/filter.

Just thinking aloud...


Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by T Mack 1 on 09/05/08 at 12:26:04


71754B796E797F7D180 wrote:
If you're thinking its getting too much fuel at WOT, maybe time to ditch the stock air box/filter.

Just thinking aloud...


Oh...  that turns on a light bulb..... How is the air filter??????

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Reelthing on 09/05/08 at 12:26:41

real sure you got the diaphram spring back in there correct?

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Mattdw on 09/05/08 at 12:32:10


562F4F63616933020 wrote:
[quote author=71754B796E797F7D180 link=1220639867/0#2 date=1220642301]If you're thinking its getting too much fuel at WOT, maybe time to ditch the stock air box/filter.

Just thinking aloud...


Oh...  that turns on a light bulb..... How is the air filter??????[/quote]

Air filter is brand new...just got it TODAY, the PO took it out and didn't replace it (Don't ask).

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Reelthing on 09/05/08 at 12:53:12

by they way - how much of a dead spot? - just a little bit - say like the
last 1/8 of the throttle - or anything past 1/2 throttle doesn't do much - so how dead is dead

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Mattdw on 09/05/08 at 12:54:04


487F7F766E7273747D1A0 wrote:
by they way - how much of a dead spot? - just a little bit - say like the
last 1/8 of the throttle - or anything past 1/2 throttle doesn't do much - so how dead is dead


Yeah, I would say the last 1/8 of the throttle.

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Mattdw on 09/05/08 at 13:11:43


6F16765A58500A3B0 wrote:
Hmmmm....

So,  fuel circuits that react to throttle position are:
0 to 1/4 throttle: pilot / low speed screw & Jet
1/8 to 3/4 throttle:  needle position (spacers)
3/4 to WOT the size of Main jet.

With that said,  the 150 should be ok with a stock setup.   The WOT is a stumper,   how is it a 7/8 throttle?  In other words,  go  to WOT and then roll it back a little.......

Also,  check the plug.    Too much fuel will be black.   But  if you replced the pilot jet, then it might be black from too much fuel at slow speed.


Last 1/8 is bad...rolling off and I get immediate pickup.
I did change the spark plug to an Iridium plug. Would that make a diff ?

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by Mattdw on 09/05/08 at 13:18:15

Oh, FYI, I don't recall the 'dead zone' with the stock main jet and pilot jet, but I would get the BIG BANG, which is my main reason for rejetting when i could not get rid of it with adjusting the air bleed

Title: Re: Rejetted carb, but still WOT dead zone
Post by verslagen1 on 09/05/08 at 13:24:52


575E4D525F5B4E55543A0 wrote:
[quote author=6F16765A58500A3B0 link=1220639867/0#1 date=1220641976]Hmmmm....

So,  fuel circuits that react to throttle position are:
0 to 1/4 throttle: pilot / low speed screw & Jet
1/8 to 3/4 throttle:  needle position (spacers)
3/4 to WOT the size of Main jet.

With that said,  the 150 should be ok with a stock setup.   The WOT is a stumper,   how is it a 7/8 throttle?  In other words,  go  to WOT and then roll it back a little.......

Also,  check the plug.    Too much fuel will be black.   But  if you replced the pilot jet, then it might be black from too much fuel at slow speed.


Last 1/8 is bad...rolling off and I get immediate pickup.
I did change the spark plug to an Iridium plug. Would that make a diff ?[/quote]
You need to increase your main jet.

And I'd put back the white spacer till this is right.

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