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Title: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/06/08 at 17:07:11 OK so I know there has to be a few musicians out there on their Savages. How do you handle a getting to a gig? And this is a serious question even if it appears to be moronic. I need to get this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/2739305167_f19ec42c1c.jpg?v=0 Which contains this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2740143998_6dc05908c7.jpg?v=0 On this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3210/2739305383_3de0a5a069.jpg?v=0 And get it to a gig safely. Has anyone else pulled off this nutty stunt or do I have to go and rent a car for the day. No laughing from the peanut gallery - it's hard enough being a pro musician without the snickers. And you get 500 points if you know what it is. ;) |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by clueless on 08/06/08 at 17:37:59 Looks like a dulcimer of some kind, but I'm probably wrong. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/08 at 17:38:28 Theres a guy in Australia who builds, makes or is the correct word creates? guitars. He hauls them in an oversized saddlebag on the left side, standing up in the bag. As for what is it? To me, all musical instruments are the same, IMpossible..Anyone who can play anything has my instant respect.I have to warm up for at least 5 minutes just to play the radio. Anyway, some throwover bag, just a single bag, well padded & able to control the instrument from leaning this way & that ia all ya need. If you can play that thing, you can surely find some bag or box that you can modify to suit your needs. I doubt seriously you are gonna find anyone with a saddlebag designed to haul just what that instrument is, if you get me,,, Its gonna be up to you to be creative. I dont SEE a reason why carrying it crossways wont work, but for some reason, I just dont really like it. Looks like an invitation to disaster, somehow. maybe an ammocan with some [padded plywood inserts toward the front & the seat & a strap around? |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/08 at 17:39:36 Or, since you already have bags on, maybe a sissybar/luggage rack to strap it to vertically? |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 08/06/08 at 17:40:28 Is it a Cherokelele? I think you are on the right track just sitting it across the seat like that. IF you aren't going out on the highway where wind resistance will be a problem, I think you could just run a pair of nylon straps around it and around the turn signal posts. I'd carry the case around town empty a few times first. Out on the highway, I think I'd try to strap it to my back in an upright position, so my body would keep it from blowing away. That could be a pain, but probably the most secure. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/06/08 at 17:50:07 No highway for this baby! I'm deathly afraid of someone clipping it driving past. Oddly enough it fits better on the cargo bike. Renting a car is not as cheap as it used to be and I hate the idea of admitting that there is a need for a car every so often. I'll catch you know what from the gang - "see you can't live without a car" - kind of thing. The only possibility is to purchase the padded case for it which acts like a backpack but then it is really tall! And it's very expensive and has to come from overseas ( almost gave it away there). Can't get it here in time for this gig anyway. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/06/08 at 17:50:38 676160627F7962630D0 wrote:
:) :) :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Max_Morley on 08/06/08 at 17:51:33 Look for ROK brand straps instead of bungies. They have a stretchy section in them but in my experience hold much better than bungies, ot a rider in Hawaii had them fit as siecar to his BUrgman 650 scooter for his Mexican = to a string bass. Max |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/08 at 17:51:44 All I can find is clavichord. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Jack_650 on 08/06/08 at 17:52:08 My theory is to put one end on the front of the back seat pad leaning back over the top of the sissy bar. Then ratchet strap around it to the fender sides and another around the case and through/under the backrest pad. Then for good measure do a few bungie cords around it to the seat pad, fender, etc. Then put a pillow/pad between the small of your back for comfort and away you go. I'm a trombone player and that's my favorite approach. Now if someone can come up with a way to haul a Hammond B3 with a Leslie speaker cabinet then I'm really in business. My trailer isn't big enough for both. Of course the brakes wouldn't stop it anyway. Jack |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Max_Morley on 08/06/08 at 17:56:45 My Mom was the Hammond Organ dealer in SE Alaska back in the 60' and 70's . In HS, I used to help deliver them for my car insurance payment. We had B3 w/Leslie at home and she could really make it sound like alot of different instruments. A lucky neighbor got the whole bit when we MT'ed out their condo with her blessing. Max |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/06/08 at 17:57:29 567D7F77432A292C1C0 wrote:
Ooo!! That would probably work. I knew there had to be another musician here! And Max is right. I'd already ordered some Rocs anyway since they seem to do better on a lot of loads rather than the old bungies. I'm selling the big amp since there is no way I can get that on the Savage and I figure if they want to hire me they can provide the sound system. Should have done that years ago. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/06/08 at 18:23:40 nyckelharpa? Trombone in HS, and a few tunes with my kids. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by bill67 on 08/06/08 at 18:39:11 Thats a 12 string Gitfiddlebass ;) |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALfromN.H. on 08/06/08 at 18:44:50 I believe it is a nyckelharpa or Swedish Key violin. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by clueless on 08/06/08 at 19:03:15 Please tell what it is.......I've never seen one.... |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by serowbot on 08/06/08 at 19:13:12 What you need is a friend or a groupie with a car..... BTW, nice Grockenfiddlestien.... |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by daweise1 on 08/06/08 at 19:26:06 Ok I have two ideas.... One, you put the front half on the passenger pegs, the other in, strapped to, or remove the bag on that side and use the bag support to strap too.... Two, hang a hitch on the back of the bike, strap the lower half to the hitch and the high half to the sissy bar..... Thinking about doing this for my golf clubs.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by shadowman on 08/06/08 at 19:37:18 Check out my post further down this page under 'luggage rack solution' -- if the case is less than 8" deep, you are in business. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Charon on 08/06/08 at 19:52:59 No suggestions on carrying it. My first guess was some variation on a sitar. It seems to have enough tuning keys for drone strings, although I don't see them. I don't understand what appear to be tuning keys along the side of the fretboard, unless perhaps the frets can be adjusted too. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by bugsville on 08/06/08 at 19:56:25 I'd be afraid the wind would take it with the ends hanging off like that. I have transported an electric guitar in a soft gig bag on my back, but luckily the amp was waiting for me when I got there. I say you get something like this: http://www.outinstyle.com/p-CH-DUFFLES/RCO-2415.html even if it sticks out the top at least you can cinch it up where it sticks out. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/07/08 at 02:28:26 Yes Verslagen and AL it is a nyckelharpa. Wow! I'm impressed! It stumped the FBI/Secret Service guys so I thought perhaps only the Minnesotans might know since there are so many Swedes up there. I's been every where but not since I got the motorcycle. I gave up the concert harp 2 years ago, sold it and decided after almost 30 years I didn't want to play Pachelbel's Canon for any more weddings. So I could sell the car. To keep it to occasionally haul the harpa around was nuts. Now the problem. I'll try strapping it down the way Jack suggested tonight and take a short spin to see if I'm OK with it. Even putting it on the way he does the trombone is going to be odd since it's longer than a trombone case. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/07/08 at 02:31:41 3127302D35202D36420 wrote:
Friends and groupies are hard to find when you either have big instruments, the gig is on saturday, or you're not famous enough to be making the big bucks. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/07/08 at 02:36:44 012A23302D2C420 wrote:
It has 4 main playable strings and then 12 resonant strings under the main strings. All the tuners are in the head stock. Since it is a 'key fiddle' you don't physically put your fingers on the strings to fret them. The keys on the side of the body are for that. Press in a key and it pushes a little piece of wood against the string. The bows are very short since the harpa sits across your body. It's related to the hurdy gurdy but is not annoying. Deep rich tone between the sound of a viola and a cello. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/07/08 at 02:38:50 2A393B392A313F363936580 wrote:
6.5 x 11 x 39. Big case! |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/07/08 at 02:41:05 3324362227383D3D34510 wrote:
Great thought! And for $10 it's well worth a try. A soft gig bag to fit it from Sweden would cost me $450 which is crazy. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Charon on 08/07/08 at 05:50:08 I suppose another possible solution would be a trailer. Personally, I have some doubts about the safety of a trailer behind a motorcycle, but quite a few folks seem to use them. Thank you for the information on the nyckelharpa. I have never seen one. I am also impressed that you are a harpist. I consider myself to be at the musical level between "playing" and "playing with" guitar and keyboard. There is a vast difference between playing a monotonic instrument and a polytonic one, not least in being able to read and follow several lines of music. Pachelbel's Canon is no easy piece. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by T Mack 1 on 08/07/08 at 06:15:07 Two ideas: 1) Find a wire basket that the end of the case will fit in. Attached/clamp it to left side passenger peg (or make setup to replace peg altogether). Get a bar/rod and attach to sissy bar horizontally, right to left, sticking out on the left side. Case would sit in basket, then get strapped down to the rod/bar on the sissy bar. Optional: put a bend in the bar ( rigth angle) so that the case would not slide off. 2) Find a luggage rack like mine (old Honda Universal rack). have it fitted on the bike (can be hard to find.....). Lay case on rack and strap down (wide left to right, but laying flat). Optional, make aux brake & blinker light to attach to the case (velcro / elastic ??) with connetctor, so people can see you better. Or... 2B) remove sissy bar and then lay case front to back sticking out the back and supported by the luggage rack & passenger seat.. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/07/08 at 09:03:09 641D7D51535B01300 wrote:
I wouldn't attach it to the passenger peg mount, too much vibration and shock. If you can afford to have something made, a rack out of 1" sq. tubing affixed to one of the rear fender supports so that you can strap the case with the 6x39 facing forward. The rack would only need a small 2 to 4" ledge for the case to sit on and only need to be as high as the pillion. Bungee the case to the rack securely. Alternate, sheet of plate aluminum, 3/16 min with similar dims as above. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Gary On A Savage on 08/07/08 at 09:28:48 Get a passenger on the back to hold it for you! ;) True story. Went to Uganda a few years ago. They have thousands of these old Honda 90's and 125's running around the place mostly as taxis and delivery vehicles. We saw some very interesting stuff being carried on these things. One time we're sitting at an intersection and we see one of these little scooter-like motorcycles go by. On the back is a passenger balancing what had to be about a 10 foot long pipe on his head. If ya gotta getr done...ya'll find a way... |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/07/08 at 16:53:22 5E584B4066565758664A584F585E5C390 wrote:
There's no one I trust to try to hold on to it. I moved my big concert harp myself after my ex banged it into a wall. >:( |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Jack_650 on 08/07/08 at 18:09:59 If you're going to go at this for the long haul then here's a more creative and maybe even better idea. I had an artistic 70 year old welder make a hitch for my Savage 'cause none of the regular places would make one for it due to insurance and lawsuit fears. If you were to go the same approach in a light weight concept you would end up with only about a foot or so of your case sticking up above the sissy bar. Instead of a hitch you just have a shelf at the bottom and a rail up each side for tie-down straps. http://bikepics.com/members/jazzcarter/00savage/ Now that I'm thinking about it more betterly, you could probably take one of those IKIA type white closet shelf units (just the one shelf), strap it to your sissy bar, brace/tie it to the passenger foot pegs, strap your case to the shelf unit and away you go. You would need to wire in an aux. tail/brake light unit for the back of the case. When there's no case just mount the light to the sissy bar. I always say you can never have too much brake light showing in the back. I'm glad you asked about this 'cause you got me thinking on the subject. Since I have a hitch already I'm now going to do a similar thing to haul my t-bone so the trumpet case can sit on the seat. It still doesn't cheaply get the B3 and two Leslies to the Iowa state fair next week for the show I'm playing though. Jack |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Robertomoe on 08/07/08 at 20:16:44 This is probably an idea out of your expected budget for this project, but a sidecar frame would solve your carrying problem. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/07/08 at 23:11:52 Went to china several years ago. We passed a cyclist balancing what must've been a 90 gal tank on the back of his bicycle. Later in the day when we returned to our hotel, we saw a rather large mess in the road. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/08/08 at 02:08:48 0835383F282E3537353F5A0 wrote:
ANd it is something I might have to think about down the road if I end up with having to haul the harpa around more. I don't necessarily want to go back to the 3-4 gigs a week. It was great by after this many years it's nice to have a weekend to do other things. Flute gig is easy and so is a fiddle gig. And certainly a harpa gig in town is fine since I can put it on the bicycle. After this one I'll see how I feel about it. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/08/08 at 02:10:19 22312627383533313A65540 wrote:
Thanks Versy! That makes me feel great... :) |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/08/08 at 02:18:37 6C47454D79101316260 wrote:
And I have no solution for the B3. This is why I gave up the whole thing. I played for years with a quintet that was really a quartet. Meaning since I played both violin and harp I had to bring both. The smallest person with the biggest instrument. One large harp, violin, large black stand, harp stool and then someone would screw up and then call me to drop off the large case of music and stand lights for everyone. I'd haul everything in to a gig, the other musicians would waltz in (usually late) and then race out the minute the gig was done leaving me to haul everything back out. But I really don't miss having a car now. And somehow I'll make this work on my own terms. I love my music. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by DanGill on 08/08/08 at 11:10:58 I've heard a nyckelharpa. It's a great sound. If you have a sissybar (can't tell from the picture), you can just strap it to that with compression straps or those ROK straps. I know it's wide, but as long as you don't lane split you'll be okay. If you don't have a sissybar, you can run straps under your pillion seat and strap it down that way. I have carried a big suitcase that way, and it works. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by verslagen1 on 08/08/08 at 11:15:43 Might be a good idea to get a armored case for the case. wouldn't want to crush it. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/08/08 at 12:15:51 302334352A2721232877460 wrote:
That's what stopped me originally. I got the hard case instead of the soft gig bag because the keys are delicate and I didn't want to whack them on a door frame or something similar. Sill thinking on this. Will report later on what I decided. |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by Jack_650 on 08/08/08 at 16:05:00 Well, there's always the trailer route. Now that we've got an easy to make hitch design (mine) out there there's no reason not to get one made for light weight hauling. I have a little red 4'X4' two wheeler that weighs just under a hundred pounds with a 3/8" plywood flat bed on it. I got it for $100 at the end of the summer season up here in MN a couple years back. Easy to put together and when it's empty you don't even feel it back there, just hear it rattle and bounce along. You don't want to haul more than a couple hundred pounds at the most back there because of the braking power of our little bikes, but a harp in a case shouldn't be too taxing on it. Just bump up the defensive driving a notch or two when it's back there. Plus you have the trailer if you're working with someone with a hitch and wants to haul your stuff and car pool. I've got a keyboard gig at the Iowa state fair in Des Moines this coming Wednesday and then go from there to play two nights with a country band at a casino east of there on the Mississippi River. I'm hauling my gear on the trailer behind the Savage (not the Hammond for obvious reasons) and just taking my time. Gas prices are killing the music business for those of us on the low-end side of things and this is my stab at staying in the game a bit longer. Jack |
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Title: Re: Hauling instruments on the Savage Post by ALittlebird on 08/08/08 at 17:44:53 I'm with you on that one Jack. And people without discretionary income are not going to hire musicians as much either. I am not however going back to weddings. |
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