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Title: stupid carb question Post by Mike from Pittsburgh on 07/17/08 at 19:33:20 I read Lancer's carb tuning guide, and I think mine is too lean, so I wanted to try to get it right. Problem is I don't know where the pilot adjust screw is. I have an '05, all stock. The only adjust screw I find on the carburetor besides the idle adjust screw is below the bowl and it looks like it would be the drain screw. Where's the pilot adjust screw on an '05? Thanks, Mike |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by blacksheep23 on 07/17/08 at 19:40:41 look at the technical threads.There's pictures instruction to follow. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 07/17/08 at 20:24:33 It's riiiiiight there. http://a225.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/94/l_5e10ae99631b672dffebbe36cd15d778.jpg |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by mick on 07/17/08 at 23:50:48 Sandy you diden't mention that it's covered up when it comes from the factory,he will need to drill that out to reach the screw,CAREFULLY. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Cory on 07/18/08 at 00:29:28 the best way i found to do it is find a really small drill bit and start a tiny hole not very deep just enough to be able to turn a screw into it and then grab some pliers grab a hold of the screw and pull it out . |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Mike from Pittsburgh on 07/18/08 at 05:53:07 Thanks everybody, now I get it. I saw that cover, didn't realize there was a screw under there. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by 07S40rider on 07/24/08 at 13:27:36 I have been meaning to ask this, and this thread seems like the best place. If that brass cover is on top of the screw in such a way to need to be drilled out/forcefully removed - was it every really Suzuki's intention that it be removed and the mixture screw adjusted? I could see if it was a cap or cover or some other item that could be taken on/off to access the screw. Kinda seems odd that they would put an adjustment screw behind such an immovable object with seemingly irreversible results after drilling out the brass cover. My God that was a long run on sentence... sorry for that. :-[ |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 07/24/08 at 14:14:38 My understanding is that the cap is there to keep the government happy. If the screw isn't readily available, then the bike can't be easily made to pollute more, right? If it was not ever supposed to be adjusted, though, the screw wouldn't be there at all. My guess is that if you go to the Mikuni weekend training seminar, they will teach you the secret handshake and issue you a tiny probe that will pull that plug right out. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Dj12midnit on 07/24/08 at 14:26:20 Maybe I should go to the training cause I keep yanking and it is still there. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by 07S40rider on 07/24/08 at 14:32:33 6C6A6B6974726968060 wrote:
so that makes me wonder, does removing the brass plug void the warranty on a brand new S40? hmmmmm.... :-/ |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 07/24/08 at 14:36:39 58560D0E5155585255483C0 wrote:
Got a picture of what it looks like? It should pop right out. It's only 1/8" thick. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Charon on 07/24/08 at 14:37:43 Government, in the guise of the EPA, has been playing this game for decades. I had an '81 Honda Twinstar, which had a "tab" on the idle mixture screw limiting the adjustment. You could lean it, but not enrich it. Strictly speaking, removing that tab or removing the cover over the idle mixture adjustment screw on the Savage/S40 makes it illegal to operate the machine on the road. Doesn't matter whether you adjust the screw - the fact that it can be adjusted in such a way as to make the machine emit more exhaust pollutants is what counts. The "white spacer modification" is equally illegal, let alone any mods that increase the sound level (loud pipes) or alterations to the intake tract that increase noise. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Hard Corps on 07/24/08 at 19:31:38 507B72617C7D130 wrote:
Is that a federal regulation or just particular to some states? And I'm curious as to who is going to inspect the bike and press charges? Certainly not the cycle shops I'd go to for inspections. I mean, is this a bureaucratic regulation we're talking about, or a piece of signed legislation? Not trying to be an ass, just curious. (As if it's anyone's d***ed business what I do to my bike: because, seriously, a single volcanic eruption puts out more greenhouse emissions than the entire history of industrialization combined. Let's see the EPA outlaw THAT! Now, when it comes to the noise issue, they have a point in certain localities to legislate the issue, but c'mon are the cops running around with decibel-o-meters??? I mean, they're the ones making all the noise when they drive past my house with sirens blaring at 3 in the morning.) 8-) I'll be d***ed if I risked my life for freedom, and then my own government strips it away. F those MFers >:(. (The Sailor Jerry is talking again...) :o |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Charon on 07/24/08 at 19:48:47 It's Federal. Some States may have echoed it, but I doubt it. It isn't enforced as a practical matter, because it is Federal. A State or city cop isn't likely to cite you, because there isn't any money in it for them. After all, if you aren't violating a State or city law, they don't get any money for the ticket. If you actually read the Owner's Manual, they tell you it is a violation of Federal law to tamper with any of the emission controls, including noise. It is a violation of Federal law for your friendly dealership to install a non-compliant pipe on your bike, and it is a violation of Federal law for them to re-jet your carb. States usually have some sort of ordinance prohibiting "excessive noise or smoke," but they usually don't actually define limits and leave it to the interpretation of the citing officer. I gather some places are finally getting tired enough of loud pipes that they are starting to enforce laws already on the books. I am afraid you will find the EPA does indeed think it is "their business" what you do with your motor vehicle. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Dj12midnit on 07/24/08 at 19:49:53 7E78797B66607B7A140 wrote:
Got a picture of what it looks like? It should pop right out. It's only 1/8" thick.[/quote] Looks like this nowhttp://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008%5C07%5C24%5Cbikepics-1363740-full.jpg |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Spiff on 07/24/08 at 20:05:45 5D5E4C4F5C4B2E0 wrote:
If you believe that, have I got some prime Florida real estate for you! Or perhaps I could interest you in this bridge I have for sale a little farther north... Really, if you want us to take you seriously, you've to got to stop making such absurd statements. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 07/24/08 at 20:09:11 That's how mine looked. I just stuck a gold sheetrock screw in there until the plug started spinning and popped it right out. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Dj12midnit on 07/24/08 at 21:21:41 555352504D4B50513F0 wrote:
From bad to worse. Went out to try again and broke off the screw. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by LANCER on 07/25/08 at 04:23:45 0320393636500 wrote:
If you believe that, have I got some prime Florida real estate for you! Or perhaps I could interest you in this bridge I have for sale a little farther north... Really, if you want us to take you seriously, you've to got to stop making such absurd statements.[/quote] That is not absurd, just a matter of the reality of the natural things happening on and in the planet. I do not know if the exact numbers on this but the basic idea is true. Thanks to to wonders of the discovery channel, etc, I have seen comparisons of the volume of a single volcanic explosion and the estimated output of human industry, and the result is that the human effort pales in comparison to the volcano's. There are a lot of volcano's out there and we usually have at least one per year that pop's it top somewhere in the world. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Spiff on 07/25/08 at 06:09:31 With all due respect, LANCER and Hard Corps, please check out this excerpt from an article by geology professor Richard Fisher of the University of California at Santa Barbara, Department of Geological Sciences: Quote:
http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm 10 billion is hell of a lot more than 110 million, eh? I've cited a source for my information, can you give me a source for yours? |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by shadowman on 07/25/08 at 15:47:36 back to the screw -- 1) it comes out quite easily because it was not meant to be permanent -- they know we are going to yank it. It's like those annoying tags they put on mattresses. It's OK to remove them. Really. 2) I drilled a smallish hole, inserted a self-tapping sheet metal screw NOT TOO DEEP, then -- very carefully -- used a small block of wood and the back end of a claw hammer and it popped right out. Be very careful not to pry against anything but the block of wood and rest the block against a solid part. Lotsa luck. |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Spiff on 07/26/08 at 14:02:51 17342D2222440 wrote:
<crickets chirping> (Perhaps we could continue in another thread, so as to not hijack this thread any more than we already have.) |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Hard Corps on 07/26/08 at 17:54:52 07243D3232540 wrote:
<crickets chirping> (Perhaps we could continue in another thread, so as to not hijack this thread any more than we already have.) [/quote] We can take this to The Cafe. Disclaimer- in my post I had been drinking. I didn't remember the exact numbers but the gist of what I remembered from earth science in college was that the earth itself has put out way more greenhouse gas than we have, primarily through volcanoes. I've checked the numbers in both your studies and a couple others. You are right- in a year, we're doing a piss-poor job of taking care of our planet. However, the numbers on human activity are pretty recent. Whereas the numbers and cumulative effect from volcanic activity have been pretty much constant for the past 10 or so millennia. I'm not suggesting we do nothing about greenhouse emissions. I hate smog, sucking diesel fumes, and the noxious odors from our local production plants. I just think we may be overreacting and overstating the effect human activity has on the earth's warming and cooling cycles. I also recall something to the effect that most of the rise in global temperature has been in industrialized metropolitan areas, rather than world-wide. Paved/bricked areas have a way of retaining and radiating heat, especially with a covering cloud of automotive emissions. I do share a bit of the concern over some of the glacial shrinking, but I don't know that we have enough information to pinpoint the cause. Keep in mind also, that the numbers you supplied relate only to CO2, and not all of the greenhouse gases expelled. Couldn't find numbers. Maybe you can? (I'm open-minded enough that if my arguments are shown to be faulty, I'll modify them.) Of course, I may just be talking out of my tushy. ::) I'm college edu-ma-cated, but I'm not a climatologist. And your crickets chirping was due to my contributing long hours toward the growth of our GDP. ;) |
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Title: Re: stupid carb question Post by Spiff on 07/27/08 at 07:32:49 5F5C4E4D5E492C0 wrote:
Let's do that. I'll have time on Monday to start such a thread. Maybe Lancer will join us, too. |
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