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Message started by halftimshow on 06/25/08 at 06:57:32

Title: Lovin' this thing! 'cept goin' fast... thoughts?
Post by halftimshow on 06/25/08 at 06:57:32

What a GREAT bike!  I have an 87 Savage 650 and LOVE it!  My wife and I have been riding for about 2 years now (we just took the MSP course 2 months ago together - TAKE IT IF YOU HAVEN'T YET!).  The Savage has been our main bike for the past year and it's a gem.

The big issue I've been having with it, however, has been a "cough" as I climb to higher speeds.  It doesn't do it if I come quickly out of a start, but  if I'm rolling at 45 and need to get up to 55, the thing starts to sputter like it's running out of gas.  Once I reach "cruising speed" it usually evens back out?

Is this a carb issue?  Someone told me that the blue on my exhaust pipe could indicate that I'm running "rich."  Would this also explain the jumpy-ness?

Thanks all!  I look forward to chatting more in the days to come!

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Post by Rockin_John on 06/25/08 at 07:23:30

Hi! Your's is definitely not a characteristic problem of the Savage... so I'm just kind of shooting in the dark here!

Before I blame the carb, how long has it been since you put a good new spark plug and air filter in the bike? I'd try that first, then question the carb being in need of cleaning out. HTH  :D

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Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/25/08 at 07:38:54

Welcome to the forum Tim. It was great meeting you last night and I'm glad I could point you to the forums. :)

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Post by verslagen1 on 06/25/08 at 07:42:44

We gotta narrow it down a bit...
try running in prime, if it goes away then replace your vac line from the carb to the petcock.
otherwise would think itsa carb issue, you have blue pipes and everyone here says it's running lean.  stumbling going from low to mid range could be the white spacer mod or just a rejet since it's lean already

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Post by desert_rider on 06/25/08 at 08:08:07

With any engine you need: fuel, air, compression, and spark.  air is always the cheapest place to start.  Check your air filter.  Then move on to the spark plug (as another has already pointed out).  Its not odd to find a bike that old with the original plug.  I'm not handy with the carb, so I can't tell you much there.  The others have posted good instructions regarding the fuel system.  

BTW, what type of gas are you using?  

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Post by barry68v10 on 06/25/08 at 16:07:05

I'm gonna take a WILD GUESS here and predict either a vaccum line problem or fuel screen...

call me crazy.   :D

But then with an '87, could be a number of things... :-/

Need more test data, though.  Obey the verslagen!   ;D

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Post by barry68v10 on 06/25/08 at 16:20:43

BTW, any Savage should be able to go 85+ mph if everything is working properly.

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Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 06/25/08 at 18:35:53


575447474C030D430405350 wrote:
BTW, any Savage should be able to go 85+ mph if everything is working properly.


Not necessarily.  Mine got to 83 and I found out my sphincter was working properly.  It was telling me to slow the heck down.  So that's as fast as mine will go.  At least for now. :)

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Post by Dj12midnit on 06/25/08 at 18:41:35

I have the same problem mine went to 85 once and I haven't been able to get it back up there again.

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Post by skatnbnc on 06/25/08 at 19:58:29


51575654494F54553B0 wrote:
[quote author=575447474C030D430405350 link=1214402252/0#6 date=1214436043]BTW, any Savage should be able to go 85+ mph if everything is working properly.


Not necessarily.  Mine got to 83 and I found out my sphincter was working properly.  It was telling me to slow the heck down.  So that's as fast as mine will go.  At least for now. :)
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Yeah, I got mine up to 89 mph on an old back road that is straight as a ruler (before the saddlebags, windshield, etc gear got loaded on) and boy howdy my little brain was ticking (deer? bears? turtles?)....and thinking too much about hitting whatever was going to walk onto the road slowed me down permanently...well it's been over a year now anyway!  :D

Mind you - I did NOT feel like the BIKE was lacking; it seemed to be able to do more, but I chickened out! :o

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Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/25/08 at 22:40:45

Ive heard of mechanical governors, & electrical governors,& they are set & not adjustable during a ride, Sphincterical governors are variable & can adjusted during a ride. I've noticed road conditions & weather can suddenly drop the max speed the sphincter will allow, & a long, straight, wide, smooooth road & the Guvnah relaxes & the speed slowly climbs to 90...

Title: Re: Lovin' this thing! 'cept goin' fast... thought
Post by Jay on 06/25/08 at 23:01:11


656362607D7B60610F0 wrote:
[quote author=575447474C030D430405350 link=1214402252/0#6 date=1214436043]BTW, any Savage should be able to go 85+ mph if everything is working properly.


Not necessarily.  Mine got to 83 and I found out my sphincter was working properly.  It was telling me to slow the heck down.  So that's as fast as mine will go.  At least for now. :)
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87 was as fast as I could get to before my sphincter started acting up. May need a performance mod on the rear! :D
Ride safe,
Jay

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Post by KwakNut on 06/26/08 at 00:49:12


565D45504C0D0D3C0 wrote:
87 was as fast as I could get to before my sphincter started acting up. May need a performance mod on the rear! :D
Ride safe,
Jay
Must admit, despite having been way faster than twice this on modified sportbikes, on the Savage 80+ feels awfully fast.

Sit on/in a wind-tunnel designed superbike in full leathers, expensive full face helmet, and wind back the throttle with 200 ponies at the wheel, and the combination of refined suspension, rigid frame and state of the art aerodynamics makes 100mph feel like standing still.

But, sit on the Savage in an open face helmet, in soft clothes, with a frame that feels like its made out of wire coathangers, suspension like jelly on springs and that cute little motor vibrating up and down for all its worth, and 80mph feels like you're straddling a Saturn 5 rocket as it leaves the atmosphere.

I’ll leave the high speed stuff for the high speed bikes – the Savage is just great at lower speeds.

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Post by skatnbnc on 06/26/08 at 08:11:25


65594F45605B5A2E0 wrote:
[quote author=565D45504C0D0D3C0 link=1214402252/0#11 date=1214460071] sit on the Savage in an open face helmet, in soft clothes, with a frame that feels like its made out of wire coathangers, suspension like jelly on springs and that cute little motor vibrating up and down for all its worth, and 80mph feels like you're straddling a Saturn 5 rocket as it leaves the atmosphere.


Yeah - and i LIKE IT LIKE THAT!  8-)

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Post by Brandon on 06/26/08 at 19:11:34

I believe I pulled 88 out of mine on a downhill run on the freeway. She was giving it all she had. You're not gonna do very much without bringing the torque up a bit. Like some one else said speed is for the speed bikes. Ours happens to be a cruzin' easy riding SAVAGE!

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Post by verslagen1 on 06/26/08 at 19:20:28

mine does that uphill   ;D

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Post by Brandon on 06/26/08 at 20:07:05


150611100F0204060D52630 wrote:
mine does that uphill   ;D

Mine will soon!! 8-)

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Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 06/26/08 at 20:28:31

I've been at 135 many times in a cage, but there was always a reason to get there that usually overrode the fear of crashing.  

Today, I pulled out to pass Clem Kadiddlehopper in his pickup at about 60 mph.  I just gave it a little gas, honest.  Next time I looked down I was doing 80 and climbing.  Probably time for the 3000 mile lower unit O-ring replacement (on me, not the bike.)  Seems like it is getting less and less distressing to drive too fast.  I don't really want to be wrung into a mop bucket and then poured into my coffin.  Rather be shot by an irate 20 year old husband when I'm about 82. ;D

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Post by Skid Mark on 06/26/08 at 20:41:55

I found the pucker factor kicked in at 65mph. \the bike started feeling wobbly, but I would atribute to lack of both steady nerves and experience. \i was quite comfortable t 60. :o

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