|
SuzukiSavage.com
/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Seafoam dose for Suzi? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1214081739 Message started by skatnbnc on 06/21/08 at 13:55:38 |
|
Title: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by skatnbnc on 06/21/08 at 13:55:38 After turning over 6ooo on the odom this week, I bought my first can of Seafoam. Actually, this is the first time Wallyworld has carried it since I started keeping an eye out after reading here about using it many months ago. What do you guys recommend - put Seafoam in the OIL or the gastank? Or both? How much? The can says it treats 25 gallons....uhhh, no good at estimate for Suzi = more or less than the tablespoon that works out to for 2 gallon tank and 2 litre oil capacity? |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by bill67 on 06/21/08 at 14:45:09 I would put in 2 oz. in full tank of gas about ever 2 months,In the the oil 3 oz. about 100 miles before you change oil.Thats what I do anyway. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Keith55 on 06/21/08 at 15:14:39 Can you tell me what is seafoam, and what is it for? I never herd of it. Keith |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Dj12midnit on 06/21/08 at 15:17:29 SEA FOAM MOTOR TREATMENT for Gas Engine Applications 100% Pure Petroleum Use in All Engines in All Seasons 2 Cycle, 4 Cycle, and Diesels Treats 3 Critical Areas: Gas Tank, Fuel Systems, and Crankcase * Cleans fuel injectors * Cleans carburetor jets * Cleans carbon * Stabilizes fuels * Upper cylinder lube * Removes moisture in fuel * De-icer * Frees sticky lifters * Frees sticky rings * Removes moisture in oil * Cleans P.C.V. systems * Cleans catalytic converter odors * Oxygen sensor safe How Many Mechanics Use SEA FOAM In Tune-Up of 4 Cycle Gasoline Carbureted or Fuel Injected Engines Autos, Trucks, and Tractors 1. With engine warm, slowly pour 1/3 to 1/2 pint through carburetor or throttle body throat. (If vehicle is port injected slowly pour SEA FOAM through direct manifold vacuum line that will feed all cylinders, possible sources are P.C.V. valve or brake booster line.) This will pull SEA FOAM down on top of the pistons and to the back of the intake valves to dissolve carbon. Turn ignition off. Restart engine after 5 minutes. If severe carbon build up is apparent, use more Sea Foam as previously directed. Make sure exhaust is well ventilated when using Sea Foam in these various ways as fumes will be extreme for a short time. 2. Pour 1/3 to 1/2 pint into oil crank case to clean rings, lifters, dirty parts and remove moisture. 3. Pour 1/3 to 1 full pint into fuel tank to clean injectors, carburetor jets, fuel lines and remove moisture. 4. Immediate Results: Smoother idle, increased R.P.M.'s better throttle response and improved performance. See label on can for detailed results for use in each area. FUEL TANK, CARBURETOR, INJECTION and OIL CRANKCASE. For Peak Performance, Use SEA FOAM Every 2,000 to 5,000 Miles * A 100% pure petroleum product for use in all gasoline and diesel type engines, both 2 and 4 cycle. OXYGEN SENSOR SAFE. * Cleans dirty engine parts internally by removing harmful gums, varnish and carbon. WORKS AND PERFORMS INSTANTLY. * Removes moisture from oil crankcases and fuel tanks. * Stabilizes and conditions fuels. Use for engine storage. * Cure hesitations, stalls, pings and rough idle due to carbon buildup. * Helps pass emissions test. EPA Registered. When Used Thru Injection or Carburetor * Cleans carbon build up * Cleans intake valves and pistons * Gives smoother idle * Cleans catalytic converter odors * Cures hesitations and pings * Restores power and pickup * With warm engine running, SLOWLY pour 1/2 pint through carburator, throttle body or direct manifold vacuum line that will feed ALL CYLINDERS. Possible sources are P.C.V. valve or brake booster line. Turn ignition off. Restart engine after 5 minutes. Be sure exhaust is well ventilated. Fumes will be extreme for a short period of time. * For use in injector cleaning machines, use 50% SEA FOAM and 50% fuel. * Fill diesel filters with SEA FOAM to clean injectors fast. When Added to Crankcase (Oil) 1. Frees sticky lifters and rings 2. Increases R.P.M.'s vacuum and compression 3. Cleans dirty parts 4. Removes moisture 5. Cleans PCV valve systems One pint treats 10 quarts of oil (avg. 1 1/2 ounce per quart). When Added to Fuel Tank * Cleans fuel injectors and carburetor jets * Cleans carbon as you drive * Lubricates upper cylinders * De-ices and removes moisture * Diesel full conditioner and anti gel * Stabilizes fuel One pint treats 8-25 gallons of fuel (average 1 ounce per gallon). |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Keith55 on 06/21/08 at 15:23:27 Man, thanks, thats alot of info.... |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by skatnbnc on 06/21/08 at 15:42:20 6F6461613B3A0D0 wrote:
Can I do both at the same time? Oil change coming up soon. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by bill67 on 06/21/08 at 15:48:41 Yes you can. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Crotchrocket on 06/21/08 at 17:17:06 Geeze, will the stuff do my laundry for me too? |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by KwakNut on 06/21/08 at 17:34:18 Modern fuels have some pretty effective additive packs which deal with all those dirty deposits you used to get a few years ago, and modern lubes don't need additives if you're buying quality products (especially synthetics). If you really MUST flush your oil, mix 50% diesel in the sump with your part-drained old oil and run the motor for 2 minutes (I know people who do that with sports bikes at 100% diesel – and boy, it cleans the inside of the engine with zero detrimental effect. I’d have said ‘Noooo – don’t do it”, but they’ve proved me wrong by doing it at a bike shop for a decade with no problems). Most aftermarket additive packs just charge you again for something you’ve already paid for in your fuel or oil. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by bill67 on 06/21/08 at 17:41:33 I would say best forget the diesel fuel and use SeaFoam. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Charon on 06/21/08 at 19:23:26 Not having used SeaFoam, I cannot offer personal observations. But I did a Google search on SeaFoam MSDS, and found out what is in it. Percentages vary depending on the specific Seafoam product, but it has about one-half Pale Oil, one-third Naptha, and the balance Isopropyl Alcohol. Some discussions describe the Pale Oil as basically a 20W oil; the naptha as charcoal lighter fluid, and of course the isopropyl alcohol is plain old rubbing alcohol. It's your money and your motorcycle, but at least now you know what you are putting into it. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by bill67 on 06/21/08 at 19:32:31 Charon now you can make your own and save some money |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Jay on 06/21/08 at 21:48:45 I once knew an old fellow who would add a tiny bit of Coleman stove fuel to his gas every so often to "work the kinks out." I always wondered if that was healthy for the bike's engine. Then as fate would have it, I was caging to a camping location and ran out of gas about 5 miles from the nearest town. All I had with me was a gallon of Coleman fuel. I put it in and hoped for the best, as I wasn't in a position to walk the 5 miles timewise, and I certainly wasn't going to push that car! It took a few cranks but the old car final kicked over, coughed a bit, belched some sooty black smoke from the tail pipe, and took off like a bat outta heII. Made it to the service station, and got to the campsite on time. Never tried Coleman fuel again, but that car sure ran good for quite some time. Maybe that old fool was on to something after all...... Ride safe, Jay |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by FreeSpirit on 06/22/08 at 00:05:23 Isnt "Sta-bil"(Fuel Stabilizer) the same thing? :-/ As Seafoam? |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by bill67 on 06/22/08 at 05:39:50 Sta-bil keeps the gas from going bad,Its says it prevents corrosion from moisture doesn't say it cleans anything. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by FreeSpirit on 06/22/08 at 11:00:21 7C77727228291E0 wrote:
Oh,I didnt know/wasnt sure. I read on the bottle that it has petroleum...guess it dosent have the other added stuff. Thanks!! |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by drharveys on 06/22/08 at 11:19:25 6E657D68743535040 wrote:
My wife and I were avid backpackers, and spent our honeymoon hiking and backpacking the back country of Kawai and the big island of Hawaii. As careful California campers accustomed to fire hazard conditions, we were very sparing when it came to priming our cook stove -- we used an eyedropper to measure out just enough Coleman fuel. Heck, we looked like junkies with our needle for cleaning the jet and our eyedropper for the fuel. So we stopped for the evening at this one area and started getting ready for dinner. Up comes another hiker, puts his stove on a rock and literally pours fuel from his bottle over the darned thing. Stands back, flicks a match at it -- FOOM! Instant fireball! The flame dies down, he cracks open the valve and lights a roaring fire for his dinner. Naturally the question arises as to what he was using. "Shell of the Future -- it's that new unleaded gas they're introducing." I still use Coleman fuel, but I know I can tap my gas tank if I run out! http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/CAFEALFR.jpg |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by verslagen1 on 06/22/08 at 11:53:08 2C273F2A367777460 wrote:
White gas? |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Jay on 06/22/08 at 14:47:27 verslagen1, Yeah, white gas. Naptha I've been told. I've never looked into its composition. Except for that one time of desperation, I've only ever used it for my camping stove. Maybe I should look into it.. All that money on gas additives, and I may only be pouring Coleman fuel in my tank. :D Ride safe, Jay |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Gort on 06/22/08 at 15:53:12 1A26303A1F2425510 wrote:
KwakNut, what has your education in the oil industry told you about upper cylinder lubricants such as Marvel Mystery Oil or Redex? MMV has been used for 60 years or so as an oil mixed in the gas tank or directly drawn into the intake manifold via a valved tank. It is not supposed to burn in the combustion chamber, and is supposed to lubricate valves, their stems, and the entire upper cylinder area on its way in and out of the combustion chamber. It is supposed to help protect these areas by reducing the cylinder temperatures, especially if it is drawn into the cylinders from an outside holding tank. It is supposed to soften carbon deposits on piston tops and valve surfaces, or prevent the formation by keeping those parts wet with itself. It is my understanding that this oil distinguishes itself only in that it will not burn in the combustion chamber and thus not foul anything, and that its primary use is that it lubricates areas that don't see engine oil. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by KwakNut on 06/22/08 at 16:11:15 2310160A1710620 wrote:
On the whole, some of those sorts of products are pretty good. Valves benefit from lubrication, and any surface that can collect carbon and muck benefits from the detergent properties. What you have to remember though is that fuels, just like oils, come with addictive packs – and they vary hugely. Buy cheap fuel from an ‘unbranded’ supplier, and there aren’t likely to be lots of additives in it. Buy from one of the majors, and you’ll get their additives, which help with keeping things clean (like injectors and the back of valves) and lubricate as well (valves, injector pumps etc). Lots of the majors share fuel distribution depots, and when the different tankers from different companies turn up, they add their own additive pack to the tanker as it's being filled – in effect, the good ones are putting their own version of Redex in at the pump. If you want to recover a gummed up old motor, Redex-type products are great because you can add them in greater concentration. If you want a healthy engine to last, you can either feed it on good quality fuel, or feed it cheap fuel and try to compensate with additives - which probably costs more in the long run than buying the better fuel! |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by skatnbnc on 06/22/08 at 19:22:03 The Seafoam I purchased was $5.00 By the time I buy the naptha, alcohol and pale etc, figure out the percentage to use, find something to mix it into and then get it in the tank...well, the tin of Seafoam is just easier and cheaper. And thanks for all the info about the multiple uses of Coleman fuel...! ;) |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 06/22/08 at 19:37:36 Hmmm... I just bought a little can of Seafoam yesterday for $8.00. I think I got robbed. >:( |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by skatnbnc on 06/23/08 at 05:21:25 575150524F4952533D0 wrote:
Wallyworld is cheaper than Auto Zone. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by ALittlebird on 06/24/08 at 15:38:50 585E5F5D40465D5C320 wrote:
I paid $9 at AutoZone the other day but Wally world doesn't have it here. Seafoam certainly worked for me the other day after getting the bad gas. I put about 3-4 oz in a full tank then ran that through. Did one gallon with about an ounce and then another gallon with an ounce. By the third the Savage was running great. Now that I'm back from my trip I'll get the carb cleaned properly. And have the bike gone over correctly but another mechanic. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by bill67 on 06/24/08 at 17:49:40 Littlebird your carb is cleaned and if runs good i see no reason to mess with it.An old mans point of view. Seaform here 6.95 at walmart |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Bleemus on 06/24/08 at 18:45:13 Went to Wally World here and not only did they not have Seafoam but no MC oil as well. Salesperson said "you need to go to our other store on the other side of the city to get MC stuff". Sigh. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by ALittlebird on 06/25/08 at 03:05:04 777C79792322150 wrote:
Thanks Bill. It ran fine on the trip aside from the snapped o ring. I'll just keep seafoam handy just in case. It sure worked a miracle for me. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by torque1257 on 06/26/08 at 04:03:01 My father is a mechanic and he has used seafoam for years. I have used seafoam since I started driving... a few tips... 1) there is the possibility that it will remove and or soften the carbon build ups that are the only barrier between lubricant and the outside world, it can cause leaks when placed it oil reservoirs. I have not used it in my bike yet. that being said add it to the oil run the car/bike a bit until you get whiteish smoke or it is at normal temps for about five minutes and then shut off. allow to sit for a few minutes and then immediately drain and replace oil. driving with this in your oil is not a good idea. if you have very old gaskets that you are unsure of the integrity of, be shy of putting anything in the oil. 2) as for use as a gas additive to help injectors and carbs and whatnot... I swear by it. it wont drastically or immediately increase gas mileage to miraculous numbers but it will make a noticeable difference. I have never had a car with more than 15 gallon tank and I used to run a can through the car vi the gas tank every six months or if I as hauling a trailer or anything with my jeep. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Hard Corps on 07/01/08 at 18:28:09 The thing I love about this site is how we all have the same questions and similar experiences. I just bought a can of the seafoam at O'Reilly tonight ($7.99!!!) and wasn't sure how much to put in. Thanks for the advice. I'll add 2 oz., run it through and then add another ounce per gallon for the next couple tanks. I'll let everyone know how it works. Of course, it seems like everyone here already knows. Guess it's my turn to find out. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by toddlamp8 on 07/01/08 at 19:21:27 Has anyone tried to suck the seafoam via the petc0ck vacuum line? |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by skatnbnc on 07/02/08 at 09:11:14 5B404B4B434E425F172F0 wrote:
Can you tell us why you would WANT to? |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Digger on 08/04/08 at 20:40:10 Hi Skat, That is in line with the standard procedure you use when you want to use Sea Foam to dissolve heavy carbon deposits. See Dj12midnit's write-up on the first page of this thread. I see no reason why toddlamp8's method would not work on our bikes. Note that you'd have to set the petcock to PRI when performing this procedure. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by mornhm on 08/05/08 at 05:34:06 FWIW, I've thrown a little seafoam (per the manufacturer's instructions) in my MC's and my wife's MC every few tanks/months or so. No problems with any of them running/starting. Mine could also be explained by running everyday, but her's does sit sometimes for a week (sometimes until I get out and ride it). Her's was a bit cold blooded when we first got it (used) but now seems to start as well as any cold or hot. +1 on what Bill67 said about stabil, it has some of the same stuff, but is really made for keeping gas from going "stale" while seafoam is supposed to clean things up. |
|
Title: Re: Seafoam dose for Suzi? Post by Digger on 08/10/08 at 20:36:33 44465B474144290 wrote:
FWIW.... Seafoam also works as a fuel stabilizer. ;) |
|
SuzukiSavage.com » Powered by YaBB 2.2! YaBB © 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved. |