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Title: Opinions Needed re: '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/20/08 at 10:54:08 Need some opinions from some of our more mechanically inclined Members please … phoned about an ’07 S40 for sale locally yesterday evening and quizzed the owner with the usual bout mileage (3200kms = 1988mi), condition (excellent mechanically & cosmetically … except where the owners rain pants had burned onto the muffler), maintenance history … and here’s where I went hmmmmm?? Asked the owner if the Bike had had regular maintenance, service, oil changes, etc. She tells me no, the Bike had never been back to the dealer at all during the warranty period (which expired this past April) and the Bike has yet to have an oil change. I mention to her that the initial 1000km (600mi) warranty check and oil change is THE most important service one can do on a new motorcycle! She just kinda poo poo’d that observation as being too picky. I then asked her if her asking price ($5000CDN) was flexible and she said NO!! In the opinion of the wrench-heads here, has this lack of initial service (and especially the lack of the 1st oil change) caused damage or compromised the longevity of this Bike’s engine? |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by SimonTuffGuy on 06/20/08 at 11:03:05 When I talked to the one Suzuki dealer about my initial service (I was going between the one I purchased my bike from and one that is a little closer to me, the opposite way), the one said that the initial service should be done between 600 and 1000 miles. With that said, it's still WAY over for her bike. Have you looked at a new bike? The dealer that I bought mine from cut a couple hundred $$ off the price because it was a 2007 leftover. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by T Mack 1 on 06/20/08 at 11:07:40 Does she seem the type to hot rod around town?? I'm not sure how you could word it in a conversation but you should probably find out if she was the only rider or if "friends" took it for rides too. I've noticed that "friends" have a tendency to see how far they can push the bike.... As for mechanical issues: Isn't the valve adjustment one of the big reasons for the first maintenance??? Don't they get sloppier? Dosen't sloppy valve (wide gap) mean less power? If so, you should be ok. If I have it backwards and they tighten up, then ask for her to meet you at your MC shop for compression tests. As for oil, you should be ok. It's a one year old bike in Canada. You get what , 4 or 5 months of riding..... Definitely an Oil change & filter are due... Is $5K CDN a good price there????? |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/08 at 11:11:32 Wouldnt loose valves create a Smack for the adjuster on the valve? Could it get mushroomed? Work hardened/brittle? |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by verslagen1 on 06/20/08 at 11:26:21 couple of points to ponder... She obviously doesn't give a sh!t about maintenance. Didn't do 1st maitenance, didn't even do oil change. She obviously doesn't want to dicker. What's blue book in Canadian? 1st service is expensive, ask you dealer for cost and deduct it from BB. Is she don't go with that, turn around phart and leave. If she's not willing to deal, you're better off buying new. Or at least somewhere else. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/20/08 at 11:29:56 Yup, a valve adjust is supposed to be carried out during the 1st 600-1000mi warranty service ... but I've heard not many dealerships actually do it (have heard that about the local 'zuki stealer) ... No new left-over '07's remaining up here ... this Bike was bought new by the owner in April '07 ... Canadian MSRP on new '08 LS650s is $6200CDN (was $6099CDN when I bought my '03 in Aug. of that year) ... I really dunno if $5000CDN is too much or not for a used '07? |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Mr. Hyde on 06/20/08 at 13:03:05 I sold my '92 and just bought a used '07 with 3,300KM on it. Paid $4300 and it is in excellent condition, dealer serviced. My local dealer wanted $7200.00 for a new '08 - $5700 + PDI, Freight, +taxes. There are dealers in Ontario that are selling '08's for $5200 and one in Ottawa that has a demo for $4999.00 with a full warranty. That's the best price I have seen. $5000.00 is steep without the 1st service having been done. Ask how much she paid for it - all in. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by craigq on 06/20/08 at 13:16:43 2D124E28190405600 wrote:
I just bought my new 2008 S40 from the same dealer, $5,399.00 plus GST/PST; the used 2008 S40 at $4,999 is still there. Nice point about this dealer is there's no FRT/PDI charges, or "documentation fee" as the license bureau is just down the street from them and they encourage you to go do it yourself :) IMO $5,000 is a little steep, especially with zero maintenance history... |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by skatnbnc on 06/20/08 at 13:47:49 From her $5000C: Subtract the maintence costs that she did not do, add in the cost of you having to do the oil change plus clean the plug, and all other items that have clogged up, and then give her that figure. (My estimate was $3400C not including any needed new parts.) If she refuses to budge, that $5K is paying for something else; like maybe the repair bill for her CAR that she never got the oil changed in... :P |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by vtail on 06/20/08 at 16:38:10 I would not worry about oil or valve adjustments on the bike with that little mileage. If the general condition looks very good to good and the bike does not rattle. Just offer here a number that you will buy it for as is where is, and maybe she'll counteroffer. Then try to find an acceptable medium. If she refuses, give here your phonenumber just in case she changes here mind. Let it ride a couple of days and if she does not call, CALL here and ask if she still wants to sell cause you're about to buy a bike somewhere else which is true if you're really looking for a bike. Realizing this might be her last and only chance she might be more willing to negotiate. If not walk away ;) |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by rigidchop on 06/20/08 at 17:41:22 i agree with vtail on this one. if this were to cause damage (i'm not saying it cant) youd think there would be alot more junk bikes for sale, not old junk either, new junk. i'm sure alot of new owners don't go back in for the first service. and if its free i'm sure the dealerships arent calling and reminding them. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by northshore_paul on 06/20/08 at 18:05:52 I don't know about Canadian prices...but that seems kind of steep to me. On Ebay and cycle trader you can see fairly low mileage bikes for a good price, definitely cheaper than that even if you throw in the freight! I got a '06 with only 750 miles in primo condition with some mods that I would jump at selling for her price...even $3800 USD would be a good deal for both parties. So all I am saying is keep looking you are sure to find a better price. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Bleemus on 06/20/08 at 18:21:05 Currently the US Dollar and the Canadian Dollar are trading on par . 1 for 1. You can buy a brand new one in Seattle from a dealer for $3900 according to posts on this forum. Not sure what you would pay in taxes getting it across the border but that price seems way high to me. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Jay on 06/20/08 at 20:08:40 According to this website http://www.x-rates.com/ , the US dollar is equal to 1.0173 CAD. $5000 seems a little steep, unless you're in LOVE with the bike. NO oil change, no maitenence, no deal. Do as has been suggested, offer her fair market value for THAT bike in THAT condition, and leave your number when she says "No". Also doesn't hurt to have cash. $3500 waved in front of her nose might soften her convictions. It might be a stretch getting to the states, but I got my '08 for $4700 US OTD!! Import taxes and distance might make it prohibitive; but it sounds to me that there are too many other options to have to go with this chick. Ride safe, Jay |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/21/08 at 02:35:46 Hmmm ... all thoughts to ponder ... and I really appreciate all of your input! With the Kanuck buck and the Yankee greenback essentially on par, it blows my mind that there is still a significant difference between Canadian and American MSRPs for vehicles ... I know we don't have the volume of market up here that you guys in the U.S. do, but we shouldn't have to pay $1.5K-$2.0K more for an equivalent m/c!! Seen some delicious deals on late model, low milage LS650s of flea-bay in the U.S. (also EX250 Ninja's ... which look like a really COOL little Bike!) ... it's a lot easier to import a Bike into Canada from the U.S. nowadays than it used to be ... but for me is not feasible because of shipping $ and/or travel distances involved ... The deals you 2 Ontarians got at the Ottawa dealership were great! A bit far again for me ... Halifax, N.S. is about the limit to make picking up a Bike out of Province worthwhile ... Agreed, $5K seems steep for the local '07 ... esp. since she's somewhat neglected it! Still looking!! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by drharveys on 06/21/08 at 04:44:57 744156565D4045774552454341240 wrote:
My mapping program shows about 660 miles and 12 hours road time between Ottawa and Halifax. There's also a ferry ride from Bar Harbor Maine to Yarmouth N.S. It also includes what looks to be a nice (non-slab) ride across Maine. So... Fly out, ride back. Make a long weekend, or even a week of it. The money you save on the bike should pay for a really nice ride! Let's see: Day 1: Fly in -- early flight so you can spend the day at the dealer's and get some shakedown time on the new bike. Stay in Ottawa. Day 2: See Ottawa. Be sure the dealer saves some time for you at the end of the day in case anything needs adjusting. Then head to Montreal for a late French dinner -- it's only a couple of hours ride and the summer days are long! Day 3: Enjoy Montreal! Day 4: It's about 360 miles to Bar Harbor Maine. Six hours riding time, but there's a border crossing and no big hurry, so make a day of it. There's only one section of super-slab (I-95 into Bangor Maine) and it can be avoided by using Highway 2. Lots of twisties till then -- enjoy! Oh yeah, Bar Harbor is beautiful, from what I hear. Day 5: Ferry ride to Yarmouth Nova Scotia and you're home! There, see how easy it is when other folks run your life for you! :D |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/21/08 at 06:00:21 Thanks for that drharveys!! But ... I'm in St. John's, Newfoundland ... which according to Google Maps is 2733km (1700mi) from Ottawa ... to travel for a "deal", it's probably feasible to go to Halifax, but likely no further ... http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Thanks just the same ... that road trip you outlined sounds really nice though! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by craigq on 06/21/08 at 06:54:36 0A3F2828233E3B093B2C3B3D3F5A0 wrote:
Sorry for the OT: They are a nice bike, at least the ZZR250 was that I had as my first ride, except for the stumbling in the cold/damp weather which is due to the cold-blodded nature and carbs; if they ever get around to giving us EFI I'm sure it would be a different story. They're an upright ride, more of a "standard" than a "sport bike", get nice fuel economy, and can accelerate with traffic just fine (they like to rev ;D ). I prefer the ZZR style over the newly redesigned Ninja, although the shims for the valve clearance adjustment might be nicer than screw-type adjusters until they require replacement... |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/21/08 at 15:26:29 No apologies req'd for the O.T. craig ... the EX250 is a VERY rare machine here in eastern Canada ... but I've got a bead on one in Halifax, N.S. and Saint John N.B. (NOT St. John's, Nfld. LOL!!) ... both U.S. imports ... one with 800mi and one with 600mi and both less than $3500CDN ... I'm a Savager at heart, but I cannot help but be intrigued by these U.S. "baby" Ninja's ... which BTW are puttin' out about the same HP as our beloved LS650s! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/21/08 at 16:32:29 a 250 ninja would fit in my life easy enough. Ive almost bought one a couple of times. SOME day, I will.. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by drharveys on 06/21/08 at 18:25:13 Let's see, according to Microsoft Streets and Trips it's 18 hours of road time from Ottawa to the Argentia/North Sydney ferry, then another hour and forty minutes more to St. John's. You'll go through Montreal and Quebec, and the run from Riviere-du-Loup to North Sydney looking like a great motorcycle road. The times work out: Day 1 Fly to Ottawa, get bike. Day 2 Shakedown ride in and around Ottawa, final visit to dealer & thence to Montreal. Day 3 Montreal Day 4 Quebec It's just under three hours from Montreal to Quebec so you'll have a full day of sightseeing whether you sleep in Montreal and get an early start, stop somewhere cheap in between, or finish day 3 going to Quebec. Day 5 If you leave from Quebec, it's 13 road hours to North Sydney. Be smart, ride a few hours from Quebec at the end of Day 4 so you can enjoy a great day's ride! Day 6 Ferry ride, then two hours ride home! I think I just worked out a great vacation loop ride starting in Ottawa or Montreal! One leg to St. John's, then to Halifax, Yarmouth and back. About 40 road hours, plus whatever time you want to spend riding locally in Newfie and Nova Scotia! Figure a two week vacation and it's doable. Better still, what a nice ride to celebrate retirement! ;D |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by T Mack 1 on 06/21/08 at 19:14:55 52445E574440534F45360 wrote:
Sounds like a nice idea, if the bike was a deal. Sounds like it not..... :P |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Jay on 06/21/08 at 21:59:09 I looked at the baby Ninja at the same time I was researching the Savage. It is a great bike. Stellar performance and fuel economy. What tripped things in the Savage's favor was the maintenance. There's a lot of tuperware that has to come off in order to do basic maintenance on the bike. You think it's a hassle having to take off the seat and gas tank to check a spark plug? Try doing some PM on the 250 Ninja. Ride safe, Jay |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by drharveys on 06/21/08 at 22:22:36 It's amazing how quickly you can map out a two week ride using these programs! That's a great loop either from Ottawa or Montreal, and I have some distant relatives in Montreal I could leave the truck & trailer with. Only problem is getting away for two weeks in a row! I can do long weekends easily enough, and the occasional week isn't too hard, but two whole weeks tends to mess things up at the office! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/22/08 at 02:48:44 That's a great trip ya got mapped out dr ... would love to be able to do it ... but like you, getting time off work is difficult ... haven't had a proper vacation in 9 years ... :( Agree ... while the baby Ninja would make a great commuter/lite tourer, I honestly dunno if I'd have the patience to be bothering with all that plastic in order to do routine maintenance! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Mr. Hyde on 06/22/08 at 06:06:12 Perry - there's a guy who lives in Oshawa (Toronto) who routinely travels from Toronto to the Maritimes hauling a trailer with his pick up truck. He moves student furniture or anything else he can book along the 401 corridor. I was interested in a savage on your side of Montreal and he quoted me a price of about $125 to pick it up (it was off his beaten path) and deliver it to me in Kingston, Ontario for $125.00. This really opens up the places you can search for a new bike. If you would like his e-mail address send me a PM. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Mr. Hyde on 06/22/08 at 06:46:44 I did a search on canadatrader.com and found a 'new' 2007 SUZUKI S40 at a dealer in Amherst NS. They're asking $5,999.00 which is a little steep but it comes with a full warranty and some accessories. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Starlifter on 06/22/08 at 08:57:05 Holy Cow Perry, that's a lot of money! And your dollar is worth more than the US dollar now. How much does it cost to import a bike into Canada? You could fly down to Maine, pick up a bike and ride it back to NFL for the savings no? |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by drharveys on 06/22/08 at 11:34:52 Bangor Maine to St. John's -- 12 hours road time, plus the ferry ride. Ferry is M-W-F, and the Friday ferry leaves at 3:30 PM so you can sleep on it! You can probably save about $1000 over the Canadian prices, so that'll cover gas, licensing and the ferry ride! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/23/08 at 02:16:39 Thanks for all the input folks ... already have an '05 LS650 lined up ... in Sprindale, NL ... 522km (350mi) from my home in St. John's ... am getting a coach out to pick it up on Friday! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Vashe on 06/23/08 at 08:40:27 In Calgary, Alberta, I paid 5309$ "out the door price" for a brand new 08. |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by Starlifter on 06/23/08 at 08:53:26 Ahh, an 05. Is it that beautiful pearl white color? |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by PerrydaSavage on 06/23/08 at 11:18:35 Quote:
Good deal Vashe! Quote:
Yup Starlifter it is ... a nice color ... very unique! |
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Title: Re: Opinions Needed '07 S40 Post by ALfromN.H. on 06/23/08 at 11:32:59 I love the white pearl color because not many poeple have white. When my brother saw mine, he went out that following weekend and got a white vstar. I felt like painting mine right then and i still plan on painting it, maybe this winter. AL |
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