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Message started by PhilM on 06/06/08 at 05:40:52

Title: Won't start!
Post by PhilM on 06/06/08 at 05:40:52

Tried to start my bike yesterday, fired once and then nothing (starter ok)

I checked I was getting fuel through the petc0ck on PRI - only a tiny dribble! I blew back up the hose and then got a good flow. I've now installed the petc0ck off my spares bike and fuel seems ok now, getting a good steady flow on PRI.

Bike is still not firing at all. Looks like the carb is the next thing to look at. I've not opened up a carb before so I'm hoping there might be a way of checking it's operation without stripping it all down.

eg is it worth draining the float bowl while it's stilll on the bike and then letting it refill? Is this likely to tell me anything? Is there any way of telling if fuel is getting all the way through the carb?

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/08 at 06:05:39

What ever was clogging the petcock is doing the same thing to the carb.

So did you look at the petcock?

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 06/06/08 at 06:16:08

There are guys around here that will weigh in soon with wiser advice than mine, but I'll give you mine anyway...

If your technical competence is of a degree that would allow you to pull and clean the carb, do so. Really, the most difficult part of that I found was getting it off the bike. That was more of a grunting and tugging operation than a delicate mechanical procedure. Then, a 3'X3' flat work space, screwdrivers (one each) and a can of carb cleaner is about all a guy needs.

Savage Wahine did a great write up in the Technical section here:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1191899985

If you aren't quite ready to tear into a carb yet, you might try disconnecting the fuel line from the petcock, draining and re-plugging the bowl, and then injecting carb cleaner through the line and letting it soak for awhile. Use plenty, because most of the goodies in this carb are halfway to the top. Then drain the bowl and refill with gas. Be careful with the carb cleaner though. It might do nasty things to your paint.

That's how I would do it, but I'm still learning on these things. Like I said, someone will be along who knows more than I.

Good luck.

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 06/06/08 at 06:18:50

Oops. There's one of them already. He showed up while I was typing. Ignore my last...

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by PhilM on 06/06/08 at 06:24:46

73607776696462606B34050 wrote:

What ever was clogging the petcock is doing the same thing to the carb.

So did you look at the petcock?

I have now! There was some stuff underneath where the in-tank screen was fitted...

http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/23179/1212758545/petcock1.jpg

I guess it's time to strip the carb then? :(

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/08 at 06:29:52

it's a good bet that you do ;D

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by PhilM on 06/06/08 at 06:33:09

Thanks for your help, time to take the plunge into carb-world! :'(

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/08 at 07:02:06

727475776A6C7776180 wrote:

Oops. There's one of them already. He showed up while I was typing. Ignore my last...

Don't ignore, good thoughts.

be sure that if you use carb cleaner like this, it is compatible with rubber. Thems rubber parts are expensive. ;D

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 06/06/08 at 07:08:54

Hey Verslagen1, I sit in awe as I read about you and Lancer and Greg, et al. making a one hour job out of removing, cleaning, and installing the carb on the Savage. There must be some trick to cramming a 6 inch pipe into a 5 inch hole (so to speak). I'd love to see a picture of the position of the carb just before it pops out from between the airbox and the intake port, if you have one laying around. I got mine out of the parts bike, but it took some magic incantations, a chain, and a Chevy one-ton to do it. I'm dragging my feet on opening mine up, because I don't want to break something and be without my bike.

I guess I could just go fiddle with the one on the parts bike until I master it, but reinventing the wheel is silly. Is there any trick, or do you just have to practice?

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by furious70 on 06/06/08 at 07:09:09

something I've noticed on my wife's bike too, if you're cranked for awhile and it won't start, sometimes it's low voltage. Been several times my wife's bike was still cranking but it wouldn't fire. Hooked my jumper pack up and fired right off. This was on an old, weak battery. Seems these bikes are a little sensitive to voltage.

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by thumperclone on 06/06/08 at 07:09:53

427A7B7E5F120 wrote:

Thanks for your help, time to take the plunge into carb-world! :'(

replace 4 bowl screws and 4 top screws w/ ss allenheads..you may need small vice grips to get oem ph screws out..

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by YonuhAdisi on 06/06/08 at 07:24:50

232524263B3D2627490 wrote:

My trick is to remove the battery box first, it is attached to the bike with four 10mm bolts. When you undo those bolts the box slides right out and you have plenty of room to get the carb out.

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/08 at 07:43:04

5C5A5B5944425958360 wrote:

I'd love to see a picture of the position of the carb just before it pops out from between the airbox and the intake port, if you have one laying around. I got mine out of the parts bike, but it took some magic incantations, a chain, and a Chevy one-ton to do it. I'm dragging my feet on opening mine up, because I don't want to break something and be without my bike.

Must be like alot of things on the bike, some people can't get the tank off w/o removing the petcock, but I can. It's either I don't care about scratching the paint and they do or they really can't.
You got to twist it alittle to take advantage of what room you have, wiggle it abit, lift abit and pull. before you put it back in, some lube will help, not sure what kind, anti seize maybe.

Pictures? no way jose, not when you got both hands involved, feet braced, tongue cocked... just not a pretty picture.

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 06/06/08 at 08:05:51

7E6D7A7B64696F6D6639080 wrote:

[quote author=5C5A5B5944425958360 link=1212756052/0#8 date=1212761334] .

Pictures? no way jose, not when you got both hands involved, feet braced, tongue cocked... just not a pretty picture.[/quote]

Are we still talking about the carb, or are you getting dirty on us?
:o

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by mick on 06/06/08 at 13:08:19

Before starting any thing unfamiliar, start by reading your manual then keep it with you during the procedure,it really does help,I know it's un manly to read the instuctions, but in this case a good idea.

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by verslagen1 on 06/06/08 at 15:14:51

232524263B3D2627490 wrote:

Are we still talking about the carb, or are you getting dirty on us?
:o

lol, well let's just say life's a many splended thing and you won't be seeing me doing it on the net anytime soon. ;D

Title: Re: Won't start!
Post by Reelthing on 06/06/08 at 18:00:28

263532292F35337770400 wrote:

under 12.3v and it's very likely to not start