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Message started by gaillarry on 05/10/08 at 17:04:31

Title: Hard Starting
Post by gaillarry on 05/10/08 at 17:04:31

Getting my 86 to start is a time consuming process, takes about 5 attempts until it finally starts, sometimes more. Once it starts and warms up, it restarts no problem.

I adjusted the valves, & checked the decompression setting. Today I pulled the carbs and found they needed cleaning. Some of the jets were plugged. All the parts are soaking in carb cleaner for the night.

I noticed the float bowl has some small holes in it, what are they for?

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by Max_Morley on 05/10/08 at 19:58:56

Hopefully the plural of "carbs" is a typo as our dear Savages only have on carb. Be more specific about the holes in the float bowl please so we can help you. Max

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/08 at 21:09:09

Holes? In the float? If you stick it in gas & see bubbles, thats baaad. If you shake it & hear stuff shaking in the float, that's Baaaad.

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by gaillarry on 05/11/08 at 05:29:56

I should have said passages not holes. If you look at the pic you can see two passages in the bottom of the bowl. They must be for feeding fuel somehow.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/gaillarry/Savage010.jpg

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by YonuhAdisi on 05/11/08 at 09:53:31

Bowl drain. You should have a small screw on the bottom of the outside of the bowl, that is to drain the bowl prior to removing it.

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by gaillarry on 05/12/08 at 18:42:54

Cleaned the carb, got it all back together. Now it leaks. In the pic I have the carb clamped in a vertical position, with a fuel line from my portable gas tank.

When I open the fuel line, fuel flows to the carb and the carb begins to pour gas out of the overflow tubes. When I turn off the fuel supply, the leaking stops and the fuel line will show gas in the line. I have the carb sitting for a few hours and still shows gas in the line but not leaking - UNTIL I add more fuel to the line?? I'm baffled.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/gaillarry/SavageCarbs003.jpg

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/12/08 at 18:48:29

When you close the valve on the tank, doesn't that stop the fuel from running down the line, due to the vacuum created? Kind of like sticking your finger on the end of a straw and drawing liquid out of the glass? That doesn't tell you diddly about what might be wrong with the carb, but it might explain why the fuel sits in the line.

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by gaillarry on 05/12/08 at 18:51:34

Your'e right, when I close the fuel supply there's no pressure to push more fuel through.

I guess the only way to really check is to put the carb back on the bike, although there must be an easier way to check.

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/12/08 at 19:13:10

I'm a newbie, and won't give out advice, but the symptoms (leaking carb when fuel is being gravity-fed) sound alot like many threads on the site that discuss the whole petcock problem. Absent any ideas from one of the folks that know what they are talking about, I would treat it like a bad petcock and do a search of the site. That will lead you to discussions of carb trouble.

Based ONLY on what I've read here, it sounds like your float is either not floating, or your needle isn't seating. My opinion and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee, though so...

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by Max_Morley on 05/12/08 at 20:01:02

Sandy suggested and I'll bet he is correct. "Based ONLY on what I've read here, it sounds like your float is either not floating, or your needle isn't seating. My opinion and fifty cents will get you a cup of coffee, though so..." Max

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by gaillarry on 05/13/08 at 01:52:11

I suspect the same thing. I put the float in a bowl of gas and it floated so no leaks in the float. The needle looks worn, so time to replace it and the valve seat. Darn things are pricey from Suz $35.00

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by Toymaker on 05/13/08 at 02:23:03

See Lancer for needle valves and seats. I think he has 'em for $15?

Title: Re: Hard Starting
Post by gaillarry on 05/13/08 at 02:32:32

Thanks, just sent him an email.