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Message started by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/10/08 at 06:44:56

Title: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/10/08 at 06:44:56

I know the seat hurts. I've lifted the front of it, and quite frankly didn't notice much improvement. It seems like my tailbone and my 'taint are always aching after half an hour. What I don't know, specifically, is why. I haven't sat on enough other seats to compare them and say "Oh, this one is two inches wider, or that one is flatter, or longer, or thinner, or whatever."

I have this idea to build a seat for my bike, but it is going to take a lot of time. I'd hate to waste the time by starting with a faulty design. So, I'm asking for everyone's input. COMPARED TO THE STOCK SEAT, what would the perfect seat be for this bike? I want it to look good, so I've already ruled out bolting my LazyBoy to the top.

Wider? How Much? Turned up or down around the edges? Flatter on the back must be part of it, I think. I need to slide back a little and the hump is in the way.

And I've read about the conversions to Harley seats, et. al. Part of my reason for doing this is that I think it will be interesting to make it myself, so I want to try that first.

If anyone has isolated the reason for the saddle sores, please let me know. Thanks-

-Jason

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Mr. Hyde on 05/10/08 at 07:53:30

I watched American Thunder the other night and there was a spot where they were inside Harley's R&D department. They showed how they went about designing their seats using a highly sophisticated computer setup attached to a thermal seat pan. When their volunteers of all sizes and shapes would sit on the bike seat the computer screen would render colours indicating where a riders hot and cold spots were - butt and tailbone meets seat. Red: was not good as it represented bone contact. Blue was good and comfortable. Point of the exercise was to eliminate as much and as many of the red zones as possible to come up with a universal fitting seat. I guess that's why I have never sat on an uncomfortable Sportster size HD seat (I'm not a physically big guy).

If you want to do it yourself than the old trial and error method is all you have unless. As a group we could exert some pressure on an aftermarket company like Corbin to design and build us a couple of versions. They will consider it if there is enough interest but the Savage community has to let them know.

Take alook here: http://www.alphagalileo.org/index.cfm?_rss=1&fuseaction=readrelease&releaseid=528133

The other thing I would look at before the seat is the suspension. In my opinion a pair of Progressive Susupension shocks can make a world of difference in how comfortable the seat feels.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by PhilM on 05/10/08 at 07:55:13

Are you quite tall?

If you feel you need to slide back further but the "hump" stops you, you might want to look at putting forward controls on.

I'm a shorty (5'6") and I had the opposite problem to you - I felt I was sliding forward too much and was liable to bang my bits into the tank! The seat lift (1'5") solved that one and I now find the seat ok.

Have you tried sitting on the seat and putting your feet/hands where they would feel right and see where they end up? Maybe you just need to move your bars/foot controls. Easier than doing a seat conversion.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/10/08 at 08:09:29

Is the 250 seat wider or better than yours if so is there any way one of those would fit on s40

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/10/08 at 08:16:38

I'm about 6'-3". Probably 6'-4" in the boots I generally wear when riding. I've thought about forward controls, and will probably put some on eventually. But, as a wise man once said: "A million here, a million there, and pretty soon you are talking about real money." All these little projects are going to eat me alive. I love this bike, and I can live with the pain in the butt for awhile if I need to. I just thought it would be interesting to design and build a seat that is more comfortable, and save a buck in the process.

As for the bone contact: that should have been obvious to me, but wasn't. I guess my boney butt matches the bone in my head. That's exactly what I'm looking for: the mechanics of why the seat is uncomfortable. I'll have to sit on the thing and ponder some more with that in mind.

Thanks folks. Keep the opinions coming.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/10/08 at 08:30:01

The 250 does feel a little better sitting in the driveway, but the geometry is different, so it's hard to make a true comparison. It is a little wider and a little flatter. I'm thinking maybe the front of the seat is too narrow, and is leaving too much of my leg hanging out in space. Also, it just seems that the distance between the front of the seat and the back is too short, regardless of how far I stretch my legs out. When my tailbone is against the hump, my front bone is against the upsweep near the tank. Hmmm... is it possible to have too long of a butt? Is there surgery for that? Perhaps a glutectomy?

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Mr. Hyde on 05/10/08 at 09:32:18

Sandy - I haven't used a 'gel' pad yet but plan on getting one this summer. Many riders swear by them. See the following website for info - 3rd item down.

http://www.metricthunder.com/mt/product_news/index.html

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by drharveys on 05/10/08 at 10:24:15

I opted for the pillow-top gel seat from Suzuki. It's an improvement, but still far from perfect. Some of it is just the cruiser ergos -- you are sitting back in a bit of a "tough-guy" slouch on this bike. Accept it, and try to jiggle around so there's more pressure on your butt cheeks and less on the tailbone.

Also, as a rule of thumb, you want your body weight supported by the backs of the leg bones, the hip bones and the butt cheeks.

You DO NOT want support along the midline. Doing so produces pressure on the pudendal nerve, which can result in tingling and numbness in places we generally don't want to go numb. (OK, the folks at Vibe-Rider feel that a little tingling can be a good thing --- http://www.viberider.com/ --- but it does have an off switch for a reason!)

Avoiding midline pressure is why bicycle seats are going to the split design, aka "Viagra saddles".

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/10/08 at 13:26:59

Haven't seen the split seats you're talking about, but the description you give brings a toilet seat to mind. Is that the basic premise? Hollow in the middle, firm around the edges? If I mount a padded toilet seat to the bike, I'll fit right in at the next "Cabin Fever Days" festival up in the canyon. ;D

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/10/08 at 19:36:35

Just a few thoughts....

A saddle type seat is lots more comfortable(to me)! I sat on one one time and thought omg...this is THE perfect seat.It seems to sit you in the proper sitting position.Relieve bad seating position.

Wider would be nice! I feel much better/more comfortable on wider seats.

It does all depend on seating position. Are your knees above your lap....if so,bad seating...will hurt!! Need to solve that problem whether it be forward controls or higher seat,etc.Knees higher put pressure on the wrong tailbone places=very uncomfortable.

Corbin seat may be perfect....just hear alot of good things about them.No actual experience though.

More people than the Savage owners complain of their seat and are continuously trying to find/make the perfert seat.Again,sometimes its overall seating position.

I felt when I went around and sat on many,manydifferent bikes/different seats that I got a better idea of what would be the best seat....and tried going from there on getting/making/coming up with one.It definitely helps to sit on different type MC seats.To get a better idea of what you want/need.

Too much info?....ok :-/
I also read alot on the net about ppl's opinions of different solutions :)
It may be different solutions for different ppl.Hope you can come up with the one for you!

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/10/08 at 19:44:55

Being people here have used sportster seats there a real nice seat at Dennis Kirk it $310 but is nice and wide go there and type parts number 455003,pretty too

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/10/08 at 20:21:18

7B7075752F2E190 wrote:

Being people here have used sportster seats there a real nice seat at Dennis Kirk it $310 but is nice and wide go there and type parts number 455003,pretty too

Some people get them from ebay=cheaper ;)

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/10/08 at 20:23:50

Not like this seat.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Keith_T on 05/10/08 at 20:32:16

Since putting on the forward controls I do find the seat more comfortable. If you sit on the back of the stock seat it is going to be uncomfortable. The forward controls allow you to sit on the front of the seat where it is flatter. The problem there is that the seat in pretty narrow at that point. But it is more comfortable than the back of the seat is.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/10/08 at 20:36:01

WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY beyond my budget. Like I said, it don't hurt that much. For $310 dollars, I can get a complete rear-end rebuild at the proctologist. Hopefully, it won't come to that. :o

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Robertomoe on 05/10/08 at 23:49:00

A lot of the seat problem is that the foam just sucks.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by ALittlebird on 05/11/08 at 02:38:18

I'm not very big and have shortish legs and that seat is uncomfortable to me so I can imagine it would be bad for you guys.

It pitches my hips the wrong way so I tend to get lower back ache if I'm on it for long periods. So I'm looking at some further mod to fix that.

Sat on a Kawasaki Eliminator all day yesterday for the MSF course and my back was fine. It does have better foam. And even though the seat is shaped similar to the savage for some reason it worked better. Not quite as scooped.

I'm also thinking that the previous owner of my savage was perhaps rather heavier than I and the seat is just worn down. New foam I guess.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/11/08 at 03:49:37

Did anyone look up the seat in Dennis Kirk?

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/11/08 at 07:57:25

I looked at it. It looks nice, but is about $290 more than I can spend right now. I started modifying my existing seat yesterday. It's my first attempt at any kind of seat manufacture or upholstery, so it ought to be interesting. So far, I'm having fun at it. Taking bunches of pictures, in case it turns out well. Maybe someone will want a step by step.

If it looks like Peewee Herman's bike seat when I'm done, the pictures will mysteriously vanish due to a Windows system error. It's been comedic, to say the least. Being a carpenter, I had visions of building a wooden pan. In the tech section on that idea it should say "don't."

At the moment I have a huge foam contraption sitting on the bike ready for carving, rasping, shaping of some sort. It isn't pretty, YET, but it feels pretty nice to sit on.

On the other hand, maybe someone here knows something about shaping foam that can stop me before I get in trouble. Any experts out there?

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/11/08 at 09:06:32

I took a stock seat and cut it down once for my wife used her electric knife, The seat had a lot more foam than a s40 seat. I read once that they used a router to cut foam,I was a carpenter too.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/11/08 at 09:26:52

Hadn't thought about the router. If I ever do this again, I will definitely try the table saw and possibly a jigsaw. We use the table saw for Thermax all the time, but that is pretty dense stuff, and doesn't melt easilly. It would be worth the experiment.

I have it all mocked up now, and am going outside to glue the panels together, so any further shaping is going to be along the lines of carving, instead of cutting out great hunks of material. I'm going to try a rasp or a Surform (used on sheetrock edges), but I suspect the foam isn't dense enough and will probably just shred. The good news (I hope) is that I get to wrap this thing in shiny black vinyl when it's all over with, so any little flaws should be hidden.

Here's what it looks like at the moment:

http://a304.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/42/l_d56c8eda3afe59eac98a7a95c003d98f.jpg

We shall see...

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/11/08 at 09:36:39

I would think the outside edge could be a little higher if possible.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/11/08 at 09:54:40

Yeah. That's actually a poor photo. I'm using one of those sleeping bag pads, and it has been rolled up tightly since birth. I'm having a devil of a time keeping it in the shape I want. It keeps trying to roll back up. When it is all pressed down tight, that top layer "swoops" the other direction, though to a lesser degree than pictured. Another thing I would do differently next time is to pay more attention to which direction the sheet is laying when I make my cuts. Try to get my curves right.

Once I have this mess all glued together, I'm going to sit on it one more time and see how it feels. I'd like to add a final top layer to tie everything together, but I think it's going to be too tall for that.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Gary On A Savage on 05/12/08 at 08:56:39

Sandy, had same idea also. Here's some links I've acquired that may be of help:

http://www.knoplace.com/Gel_Pad_Installation.html

http://www.diymotorcycleseat.com/index.php

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Seats.html

http://www.itrocks.com/motorcycles/gel_seat.htm

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/12/08 at 17:56:43

Thanks, Gary. Lots of good ideas in there. I'm going to go try a sander on the foam right now. I hadn't thought of that one. If it works, one of my problems will be solved.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/13/08 at 20:18:40

I looked up the Corbin seat online.

It has comfort cell foam, whatever that is(the comfort part, I mean)

And....it is shaped kinda like a "spoon",which is suppose to be more comfortable! Which makes sense to me ;)

It takes the pressure off the tailbone and spreads the seating pressure more evenly across.

I may try to carve out some of the foam on mine, spoon shape with the front rising up some :) More saddle shape.

(What I do wonder is....if the sportster seat will fit the savage,why wouldnt the corbin sportster seat fit? or will it?) :-/

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by verslagen1 on 05/13/08 at 20:51:07

Part of the problem with our seat is the shape. It lifts up in the back to keep us from loosing the bike. [smiley=evil.gif] WooHoo!
Now maybe if we take a lession from the pedal pushers of the world and releave the center it might be more comfortable.
I like the direction sandy is going but who was it that just sold their seat that looked really cool and he said it was comfortable? It looked high in the center and drooped on either side.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/13/08 at 21:00:25

796A7D7C636E686A613E0F0 wrote:

Keeps us from losing the bike or keeps us from flying off of it?? ;)

But....isnt what you described (relieving the center)a spoon shape??:-/

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by verslagen1 on 05/13/08 at 21:21:56

784C5B5B6D4E574C574A3E0 wrote:

Keeps us from losing the bike or keeps us from flying off of it?? ;)
But....isnt what you described (relieving the center)a spoon shape??:-/

Nothing will keep you from flying off on bumps ( I got a serious bump on the way home, either me and the bike do a little hop or I'm standing) but your own hands, but twist the grip and your but goes sliding! That sudden snap when you run out of arms could wring your hands free. Can you say... be otch bar? Someone told me they had to sell their bike cause they kept dropping the misses. ;D

No I meant tailbone and that other bone releif like in the bike seats.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by NikoruWiriamu on 05/14/08 at 17:19:53

:'(

Hmm. I wish I could afford a new fancy seat. I'm 5"5, and not telling my weight. But, I went down on my b/f's bike, and hurt my tail bone. For two months I couldn't bare to ride my baby at all, and then I eventually started to ride again, but couldn't go more than 30 minutes without being in terrible pain. Here it is, almost 1.5-2 years later, and now I'm okay to go on 1-2 hour rides.

The coccyx isn't something to take lightly. I wish seats were designed with those in pain, before they roll them off of the show room floor. That way, those in pain and those who are healthy will be happy. Win-win, no?

Bah.

Hopefully, you will have great success!

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/14/08 at 17:33:13

One of the reasons the seat aren't that good is the foam isn't very thick to keep the seat low.1/2 inch more and a 1 inch wider would make lot of difference.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/14/08 at 19:15:40

I've gone about 1 inch thicker and 3 inches wider. It feels very comfortable when I sit on it. I still have to cover it which should be quite the show. I've never sewed much. I like the look of the shape of it, but hope it doesn't look absurdly huge once it's on the bike. Right now, it's that bright blue, so it's difficult to visualize the final result (at least for my eye.) Here's what it looks like so far:

http://a78.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_a43eec430a3e1efa436be41c53367ee5.jpg
http://a196.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_8746d911ec0a1b376ef3788e7333992b.jpg

That's on the parts bike, so there are a few other missing pieces. I'm shaving the back seat down as well, so they will (hopefully) line up a little better. I don't like that hump, and now my passenger has her own bike. I thought about making them one piece, but it just seemed like more work than it was worth.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/14/08 at 19:37:07

That looks real good and to do think the hard part is the cover.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/14/08 at 22:45:25

How did you make it wider?? I'd love to know!

It does look like its going to be comfortable!! Wow,a comfortable savage seat sounds almost unreal :o

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Texasphotographer on 05/16/08 at 20:37:11

7F4B5C5C6A49504B504D390 wrote:

Just a few thoughts....

Corbin seat may be perfect....just hear alot of good things about them.No actual experience though.

More people than the Savage owners complain of their seat and are continuously trying to find/make the perfert seat.Again,sometimes its overall seating position.
!

My next door neighbor has a 2007 Goldwing and recently installed a Corbin seat. He has driven to North Carolina and up to New England and back twice in the past 6 months and has not complained about a sore butt.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/16/08 at 21:53:54

Free Spirit, I just took one of those 1/2 inch thick blue foam sleeping bag pads and cut out six identical pieces with the shape I wanted for the sides. Then I used DAP contact cement to glue them in place, three to a side.

I'm not sure how this is going to turn out. It IS going to be comfortable, but if the pod people don't come down and implant some sewing knowledge in my brain while I sleep tonight, it IS also going to be ugly as sin. I have all the vinyl cut, and with them sitting loose on the seat, it definitely has potential. But I can't figure out how to line them up for sewing. The old cover couldn't be used as a pattern because it was way to small to fit over the new seat. Also, the seat is shaped a lot different now.

If I get it right, I'll put up a series of photos showing what I did, along with what I did wrong and had to do again. If I lick this sewing issue, I'd say this project would rate about a 4 on the difficulty scale. None of the work is strenuous. It's just the planning and learning that is making it tough.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by verslagen1 on 05/16/08 at 22:24:23

Put the panels on the foam inside out. Use straight pins to tack the panels together. I would hand sew them together even if you had a machine unless you were real comfortable in using it.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/16/08 at 23:38:58

51575654494F54553B0 wrote:

Thanks for info....I hope it turns out good for you!! Does that cement hold good? In making wider I always thought the pan would have to be wider(in some way/form),but...that was just my thinking/not really knowing how to do it :-[

You could take some thin cloth and try to fit it to the seat/making a (homemade) pattern for it,making it a little loose to make up for the leather thickness! Then transfer the pattern to the leather!?!

Getting it sewn? Sometimes there are people who do sewing on the side that may have a proper sewing machine and do it for you cheap.

Just ideas(not that you need them),trying to help. Best of luck! I bet it is going to be comfy and look good as well ;)

Can't wait to see the pictures!! ;D

Oh,just thought....SavageWahine uses a regular sewing machine(dont know if your wife has one or not) and just uses a bigger needle in it for sewing leather!!! Maybe that would take care of the sewing part!

(Just throwing out ideas in case something may make sense and be of help,but sounds like youre doing a fantastic job!)

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/17/08 at 07:55:25

Once I figured out how to wind a bobbin (haven't used a machine since 7th grade Home-economics) the Singer my wife has worked great. For those of you who don't know, the bobbin is the muffler bearing of the sewing world, I think. I put an upholstery needle in the machine. This is marine vinyl instead of leather, so I think it's easier to penetrate.

The difficulty is in the fact that the top edge of the side skirts is not flat. The seat has noticeable contours, which I followed with the shape of the sides. Trying to match that line to the top piece, which bends along the horizontal axis, is like trying to shove an earthworm up a bobcat's butt. Everything keeps moving around and bunching up. There is considerable activity involved, but not much in the way of success. :)

As to whether the glue is strong enough to hold without support from the pan? I'm not sure yet. I think so. I tried modifying the pan with cedar strips, but that didn't, uhm, pan out for me. So I beveled the bottom layers, making each one slightly higher in hopes that they will transfer weight toward the existing pan. I am not qualified to engineer a cheese sandwich without blueprints, so only time (and perhaps someone on here who knows about that stuff) will tell. I also hope to end up with tight enough vinyl to help with support a little.

Gotta go put some shingles on the motorcycle shed, now that the rain has stopped. Go figure. I'll work on the seat again tonight and report back.

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Post by FreeSpirit on 05/17/08 at 17:58:02

LOL....Well we do learn from experience,so I'm sure with this new experience you'll learn alot...and master the sewing ;) It does sound a bit challenging! :)

I realized after my last post that if you could get the seat cover tight enough it should help support the sides. Good luck! We'll enjoy the pics,I'm sure with your imagination you'll be able to do it ;)

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/17/08 at 20:12:25

The front seat is finished and installed. Here are some pics. My son, the budding photographer, got a little closer than I would have liked, but I think you can see the difference in my posture. I rode into town and back and was WAY more comfortable. I'll take a long ride tomorrow and see how it goes, but I think I'll be happy.

http://a505.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/11/l_51d2ffb3b5324261a16ed0cc96b17680.jpg
http://a92.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_e79d30389148b68ec9c6dd81fc7f6353.jpg
http://a944.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/4/l_baf2564cf72bd44442a2b59cea4fbd37.jpg

http://a831.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/24/l_fa63791378b2270590169f1d1d284896.jpg

The next on will be much easier, now that I've figured out the tricky stuff to some extent. If I'd paid a pro to do this job and it looked like it does, I'd be some hacked off. But for an amateur, I don't think it came out too bad. Total cost was about $19.00 worth of materials.

Now to cover the pillion.

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Post by FreeSpirit on 05/17/08 at 21:12:18

Wow....looks great!! Was the sewing hard?

You did a great job!

And....yes, your posture "before" was not good,just like me ,with my long legs,my knees are a bit higher than my lap :(

But your posture is so much improved!!

Hope it is just right for you.Got to have comfort when riding ;)
Do you feel the extra width?

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/17/08 at 21:51:10

Lining it up for sewing was tough. I broke down and enlisted my wife's two good hands. Between us, we managed to hold things where we needed them and get it pinned in place. Then she supervised and assisted with running the sewing machine. I think she was worried that I'd break it. ;)

I definitely feel the extra width. It is awesome how much difference 1 1/2 inches per side makes. Any wider, and I'd have a little trouble putting my feet flat on the ground, but this is perfect. Also, shaving down the back to allow me to sit back farther helped. My trunk/backrest stops me now, but that's o.k. Any farther and I'd be adjusting handle bars next.

So far, the only downside I've seen is the slight increase in vibration. I think the denser foam must transmit more. Still, I'd rather have that than the pain from before.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/18/08 at 00:24:47

353332302D2B30315F0 wrote:

I agree,could take the vibration better than the pain!

The sewing and getting it right still seems pretty hard,to me.I'm going to practice alot on scrap vinyl :)

So....are you going to start customizing MC seats? Bet it would be a pretty good business ;)

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/18/08 at 02:42:01

BTW....I just saw a Engine Guard on ebay for your wife's bike! Right now it is $50.00,dont know how much they cost originally/new and...dont know how high this one will sell for in the end.

Just thought I'd mention it :)

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 05/18/08 at 15:49:58

Thanks from Kay for mentioning it. I'll scope it out for her.

I took a ride up to Glacier Park today on the new seat. About a 180 mile round trip. YEEHAAAA! No butt or back pain, or any other problems to mention. That vibration I talked about was no prob whatsoever. I think I was just being hypercritical when I rode it last night for the first time.

What a beautiful time of year to ride the mountains. Water, water, everywhere, and motorcycles galore.

Here's a shot at the top of Marias pass, which is just outside the park. Across the highway behind me, there is a point where water runs out of a puddle to the east AND the west. Some to the Atlantic, some to the Pacific. The only thing that has to do with this thread is that you can see the seat in the picture, I guess.
http://a307.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/37/l_5997f79bad51b7629e4af46c4eb629ea.jpg

It was a great day for a ride, and a great bike on which to spend that day.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by bill67 on 05/18/08 at 16:10:46

Seat looks real nice,and blends in nice.

Title: Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Post by FreeSpirit on 05/18/08 at 21:03:11

One of my favorite things here is to find ppl who managed to get there MC seat comfortable ;)

It does look good... and comfy!

(But,what?....no thong?....sorry couldnt resist :)

It looks like beautiful weather there!