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Title: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/10/08 at 05:21:13 So I was riding to work this morning and everything seemed fine. I hit a patch of fog and the bike just died on me. I got it started again and headed down the road. I made it about 1 mile or so and it did it again. Felt like it was starved for fuel so I turned it to PI.... nothing! Noticed the fuel line had a slight kink in it just above the in-line fuel filter I installed. I pulled the hose off and cut a little section, put it back on and NOTHING..... I sat there for twenty or so trying to turn it over and now the battery is on the way out. ANY THOUGHTS! I have to get it drivable to get home. otherwise its a 17 mile hump to the Home Base! |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by mornhm on 04/10/08 at 05:26:05 Keep things simple. Before you drain the battery further, make sure you are getting gas into the carb. When you are sure the carb is full, then try it again. If it doesn't turn, you'll either have to get a jump or new battery. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Reelthing on 04/10/08 at 05:26:46 If you open the drain screw do you have gas in the bowl? Check the wires going to the coil |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Trippah on 04/10/08 at 06:23:17 Disconect the hose from the tank to the in line filter and put it on prime, see if you get fuel (yeah, hold the line out a bit)> Always possible the filter is clogged or (dare I say it) in backwards?) ;) |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/10/08 at 07:10:10 Backwards..... I may be a Marine, but I am not retarded! It ran all day yesturday with it on. I ran on my reserves for about 10 miles or so, filled up... First time I filled up since I put the filter on. I am just thinking its clogged! IN SHALLALLAH!!! |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by mornhm on 04/10/08 at 08:29:45 Why do you think the filter is clogged? If you are in the service you should understand the KISS principal, and checklists. Prove to yourself whether the filter is clogged. Also don't discount double checking something you're sure is right. You wouldn't be the first competent person to do something stupid. Do you have gas in the carb? This is probably the easiest thing to verify. That's why I put it first earlier. The methods are even listed in the replies above. Are you getting gas through the filter? (on prime it should be if you pull the line) Do you have enough voltage to turn the engine over at speed? Again a very easy thing to check, but since you are potentially stranded, remember you don't need to check this until you are sure you have fuel. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Max_Morley on 04/10/08 at 08:45:41 I believe either the carburetor ices up or the air filter absorbs moisture as there has been this complaint on Savages since 98 when I got mine. Never and explanation or solution has been offered in my recollection. Max |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/08 at 08:59:56 You just filled up... bad gas? After a couple of min's trying to start, I would try push starting to preserve the battery (advise may be late but better than never). Push starting also has the bene of coaxing something to start that's on the edge. From the other posts, I'd check for flooding. Pull sparky. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/10/08 at 09:11:41 Well after getting a ride out to the bike, I decided to check and see if its getting fuel. Pulled the hose off inbetween the carb and filter.... no gas coming out.... pulled the hose off of filter... and what do you know... GAS! Took the filter off, turned right over, drove back to work! BAD FILTER BAD! One of my fellow riders said it could be the tank coating that started to flake away. The filter in the tank allows the particles to go right through, but the better filter I put in did not. NO FLOW NO GAS! |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by T Mack 1 on 04/10/08 at 09:59:42 Filter went south after the fill up. Hmmm ........ First, I take it your filter isn't air locked....I would think not since it was running before the fill up...... Next, If the gas station is one you trust, then I would think the filter has been slowly clogging and it finally hit the point where it wouldn't pass fuel. I didn't see what year your bike was. Is the inside of your tank rusted? As for a coating on the inside..... did Suzuki do that???? My '01 looks like bare metal..... |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/10/08 at 10:34:52 I just put the filter on this weekend, so the slowly clogging option is out the window. I only put about 40 miles on it when it went south. The bike is a 2000. I would expect the manufacturer to coat the tank. It keeps the Gas from eating away at the metal. The coating is either clear or has a very light tone to it. It should apear to be bare metal when looking at it, exspecailly through gas. Just my thoughts on the subject. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Reelthing on 04/10/08 at 11:06:12 Are you folks in a seasonal change from winter gas to summer gas or anything of that sort? was your filter a see through model? |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/08 at 11:28:31 And some filters are meant for pressurized systems. It was reccomended to go to a lawn mower shop for filters. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/10/08 at 11:55:21 The filter was a stainless steal one. I talked to the guys at the autoparts store and they said it should work just fine. I used the hose clamps to prevent any air from getting in and messing witht the vacume needed by the carburator. I am not sure about the GAS question.... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/08 at 14:24:43 LOok, the guy said, "Went thru the fog & it DIED" You guys don't read? It's OBViously the fog, you dolts! These people NEVER saw Twilight Zone? Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.... |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/10/08 at 16:15:01 That would explain the anal probing! |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Toymaker on 04/11/08 at 05:28:23 So THAT'S what it is called....here I thought they just liked me a lot!!!! :) |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Toymaker on 04/11/08 at 05:29:16 Sorry...I couldn't resist....yippers...I AM the sick! ;) :) :D |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/11/08 at 05:30:50 SICK huh? We should get along just fine.... I am teatering on the side of depraved! |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Toymaker on 04/11/08 at 06:33:50 Depraved...or is it DEPRIVED! :) (sick evil laugh) |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/11/08 at 06:35:02 Perhaps its a combination of both. I am deprived of many things, hence making me depraved! |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Toymaker on 04/11/08 at 09:48:00 So anyway...back to the problem at hand, I got aq little fuel filter from Advance Auto that is about 1 1/2 inches...just fits. I think it was a couple of bucks and is clear. That way you can tell if fuel is going through it. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Rogue_Cheddar on 04/11/08 at 09:55:02 736C6A6D70774676467E6C602B190 wrote:
Ha! I just rented Steven King's "The Mist" and I was thinking the same thing. The Military was screwing around with portals and now alien creatures from another dimension are playing havoc with your Savage. :D I er... um... sorry, I guess this isn't being too helpful. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Chopped on 04/11/08 at 10:02:58 Helpfull, NO! Funny.... YES! I just took the filter off and its running fine! I may pick up one of the clear plastic ones and see if it does the same thing. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Toymaker on 04/11/08 at 10:21:03 I like my little clear filter because I can see crap from the tank and it has stopped a bunch already. Plus, I can see if the fuel is going through. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 04/11/08 at 13:15:48 As a newbie, take this for what it's worth - maybe not much. Since our engines are air cooled, a similar problem often occurs in small, air cooled piston airplane airplanes - carburetor ice. Ice forms on the throttle plate in the venturi of the carb, since the airflow across the plate speeds up, and loses temperature, as a result of its being forced thru the venturi. (Bernoulli's principle of fluid dynamics). Any time a carburetted engine is operated in high humidity conditions (fog, mist, rain, etc.) carb ice is a definite possibility. The only way to clear it without a carburetor heat device like airplanes have is to shut off the engine and get it warm enough to melt the ice. Modern cars have fuel injection, which doesn't ice up. But we old farts can recall the days when cars routinely started to run poorly in such conditions, especially stalling at a traffic light. Low engine rpm exacerbates carb ice formation. |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by demin on 04/11/08 at 14:06:08 Little lawnmower see through filter. Click on pic for much larger pic. http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/1218999 |
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Title: Re: Stranded Post by Toymaker on 04/11/08 at 18:59:48 yeppers...looks a lot like my little filter. And other than the forward controls, looks like my bike...Hey........where'd you get my bike?!?!?! :D ;D |
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