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Message started by bill67 on 03/11/08 at 13:31:20

Title: sweet spot
Post by bill67 on 03/11/08 at 13:31:20

At what speed is the motor smoothest for most people here or is there more than one speed.

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Post by Robertomoe on 03/11/08 at 13:49:10

just above idle for me

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Post by Hutch on 03/11/08 at 14:09:11

Mine was 60mph stock. After carb, K&N filter, and Jardine pipe it was 65mph. After chaindrive conversion it was 70mph. But don't go by mine. I can't get any top end at all since I bought it new in 2006. Mine just runs out of steam. Mine is an oddity. It screams up to 70mph, and starts to fall off after that in performance.Most others here have no problems at all, even when stock. Hutch

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Post by vtail on 03/11/08 at 15:09:05

60-70 very comfy :)

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Post by verslagen1 on 03/11/08 at 15:34:42

Hmmmmm.... 70 - 75

'cause at that speed there's 6 seconds in front and at least 2 in back.

And the shocks seem to smooth out a bit.

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Post by skrapiron on 03/11/08 at 15:52:42

60-65 is most comfortable for me. Anything faster than 65 and my head starts bobbing in the wind. Makes for a very sore neck in a very short time.

At 60, the engine is just purring and if you crack the throttle, has enough oomph left to get you up to 75 and around slower traffic in a hurry.

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Post by Gary On A Savage on 03/11/08 at 15:58:01

65-70

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Post by thumperclone on 03/11/08 at 16:28:34

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Post by Starlifter on 03/11/08 at 16:39:45

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Post by greyhead51 on 03/11/08 at 17:47:44

60 but to tell the truth i rather do 55. guess i just like putting around!!

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Post by barry68v10 on 03/11/08 at 18:36:25

60 indicated, 68 actual with 17-43 chain conversion. That's 4 grand on the tack ;D

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Post by steely on 03/11/08 at 18:40:19

For me? WOT, or as fast as she will stay right side up. I do tend to ride a bit aggressively though.

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Post by barry68v10 on 03/11/08 at 18:49:52

434455555C49300 wrote:

For me? WOT, or as fast as she will stay right side up. I do tend to ride a bit aggressively though.

Hey, wait! My previous answer was my "constant speed" answer. I like WOT anytime! ;D

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Post by Paladin. on 03/11/08 at 19:03:08

555E5B5B0100370 wrote:

At what speed is the motor smoothest for most people here or is there more than one speed.

I like the rumbly massage speed -- 35-40 mph in 5th gear.

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Post by steely on 03/11/08 at 19:08:55

7C4D404D4845422C0 wrote:

[quote author=555E5B5B0100370 link=1205267480/0#0 date=1205267480] At what speed is the motor smoothest for most people here or is there more than one speed.

I like the rumbly massage speed -- 35-40 mph in 5th gear.[/quote]

Oooosh. Hard for me to do that. My dad beat into my head the horribleness of lugging an engine when I got my first car ('68 Beetle). I know our bikes will take it, but I consider 40 to be low-4th gear. I really need to concentrate on running my bike at lower RPMs.

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Post by firsts40 on 03/11/08 at 19:38:25

Around 60, although will run 70 with no problems between gas stops.

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Post by YonuhAdisi on 03/11/08 at 21:13:12

between 60 and 70 (a little under or above 65) Untill I start decellerating then the cars and other bikes behind me start swerving out of the way thinking I'm blasting them with a fully automatic 12 gauge. But hopefully I can get that part taken care of on my next days off from work.

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Post by forrest on 03/12/08 at 04:41:18

60 feels good........1-2 mph in traffic doesn't feel too good. But it all feels better than driving a car!

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Post by Hutch on 03/12/08 at 07:27:18

So far it looks like everyone runs the same speed as me. I just don't have the top end others have, even with all the mods and 17/43 chain drive. Maybe I have been riding FAST bikes to many years. I just like having the same acelleration from 60mph to 90, as I do from 0-60mph.

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Post by skrapiron on 03/12/08 at 07:52:56

On my way into work this morning, I cracked the throttle to see what it would do. I went from 60 to 85 (indicated) in about 12 seconds. It accelerated great to ~75 then creeped up to 85. It was still accelerating when I backed off.

My bike has the stock drive, stock motor, factory wind screen, k&N cone filter, 55/152.5 jetting and the spacer mod.

Maybe its because I have the wind screen up front that it runs as well on the express way.

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Post by Savage_Rob on 03/12/08 at 08:13:04

65-70 indicated (actual speed is a bit faster with the slightly oversized rear tire) but she's still very smooth at 80 indicated. For personal cruising comfort, my preference is about 60-65 indicated, though I get better mileage closer to 55.

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Post by Hutch on 03/12/08 at 08:33:41

5F475E4D5C455E43422C0 wrote:

In Michigan they drive 65-70mph on the back roads, no kidding. 75mph on the Interstate gets you run over by semi's. That is why I ride a faster bike on the interstate. My Savage has no passing power at 75mph, even with the mods, and 17/43 chaindrive. Twist and wait is what I have at 75mph. It is great for back roads and 65-70mph. I prefer to run about 60mph and still have some power up to 75mph, then I have to lay on the tank to get up to 88mph. Hutch

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Post by Gary On A Savage on 03/12/08 at 08:40:05

6875746368000 wrote:

... My Savage has no passing power at 75mph, even with the mods, and 17/43 chaindrive. Twist and wait is what I have at 75mph. It is great for back roads and 65-70mph. I prefer to run about 60mph and still have some power up to 70mph. Hutch

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Post by Dark Savage on 03/12/08 at 09:59:32

0D3C313C3934335D0 wrote:

[quote author=555E5B5B0100370 link=1205267480/0#0 date=1205267480] At what speed is the motor smoothest for most people here or is there more than one speed.

I like the rumbly massage speed -- 35-40 mph in 5th gear.[/quote]

35-40 in 5th? Really? Do you accelerate from that speed and gear or just cruise? I know my bike would cruise on a flat at that speed but as soon as I hit a hill I feel like I'm lugging the engine so I shift down. Accelerating it definitely feels like I'm lugging it (although it does accelerate some). I usually don't go below 45 in 5th.

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Post by skrapiron on 03/12/08 at 10:25:57

Quote:

Theres a reason I moved away from Michigan in the 90s... People up there drive like idiots.

Around here, they drive like bats out of hell too. I just don't care. I pop myself in the far right lane, set my throttle lock at the posted speed limit and enjoy my ride. I have no intention of riding at speeds that I wouldn't dream of driving in a car.

As far as I'm concerned, let the idiots be idiots. There is no reason to join them.....

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Post by Hutch on 03/12/08 at 11:20:45

6D6B78735565646B55796B7C6B6D6F0A0 wrote:

[quote author=6875746368000 link=1205267480/15#21 date=1205336021]
... My Savage has no passing power at 75mph, even with the mods, and 17/43 chaindrive. Twist and wait is what I have at 75mph. It is great for back roads and 65-70mph. I prefer to run about 60mph and still have some power up to 70mph. Hutch

Hutch, when you say 75mph, do you mean INDICATED or ACTUAL? I have the 17/43 chain setup and a digital speedometer on the front tire. 75 INDICATED (tank speedo) on my bike is 85 ACTUAL (digital speedo)...and about all she'll do for me too. But that's more because of aerodynamics I think.
[/quote] I meant 75mph actual, 66 indicated by the speedo. When my speedo says a hair over 75mph indicated I am actualy going 88mph laying on the tank after a looooong time of waiting. It sounds like your bike falls pretty close to mine. That makes one more slow Savage. I am not a speed freak and don't like driving that fast, but when you drive 75mph and have nothing much left to pass with, or need a mile to do it, it aint fun, it is dangerous. That is why myS-40 stays on back roads or 2 lane state roads.
Skrapiron, you got more guts than I do. If I can't stay with the flow of traffic, I get the heck out of there before getting run over from behind or causing people to pile up behind me and swerve into the 75mph-80mph lane and cause an accident from someone doing 80 plus in that lane. I don't like people 3 feet off my back tire at 75mph. Hutch

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Post by Gary On A Savage on 03/12/08 at 11:34:58

I can hit 85 with a windshield and saddlebags. I can hit that at 1/2 throttle in 5th gear and there's no problem getting to 85. But from there on, no matter how much throttle I give, she just won't respond. That was on the I-5 on open freeway with a lot of wind and my weight of 190. Also, I'm not happy with the carb jets. Going to try that run again here in a few weeks after I get everything back together with the new fenders and jet changes. Without saddlebags this time.

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Post by verslagen1 on 03/12/08 at 11:43:36

Gary,
Check the carb posts in the tech section.
What I recall reading as far as WOT is concerned, is if you can back off from WOT and you get a better response then you should go up a size in the main jet. I had that, went up in size with no change in mpg. And the issue went away, but I still want to go up another size.

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Post by Hutch on 03/12/08 at 12:41:25

786B7C7D626F696B603F0E0 wrote:

Verslagen1, I tried what you said last fall. I went to a 155 main and stuck with the new 55 pilot.I have no flat spots when accellerating hard, and she hits 60mph actual, from a standing start, in a heartbeat. I went back down to a 152.5 main because with the larger one I was sooting up the rear brake arm and had no gain over the 152.5. My throttle slide is opening all the way,checked that, and she is done at 88 actual laying on the tank. From 75mph actual to 88actual is a loooong dragged out ordeal. Maybe I am just spoiled from all the other bikes I have own, and own, that would/ will do 90+mph in 1/4 mile.The ones I still own are a 2000 Kawasaki W650(50hp), and the other a 1967Royal Enfield 750(60hp) and they only weigh 70lbs more pounds than the Savage.. Both are bone stock. Hutch

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Post by Gary On A Savage on 03/12/08 at 13:38:42

524F4E59523A0 wrote:

[quote author=786B7C7D626F696B603F0E0 link=1205267480/15#27 date=1205347416]Gary,
Check the carb posts in the tech section.
What I recall reading as far as WOT is concerned, is if you can back off from WOT and you get a better response then you should go up a size in the main jet. I had that, went up in size with no change in mpg. And the issue went away, but I still want to go up another size.

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Post by verslagen1 on 03/12/08 at 14:03:04

I don't know why the PO sold me the bike cause it's dam sweet.
It was stock when I got it, I've upped the main to 150 only.
I'm doing 87 uphill, nose level with top of windshield, normally chin.
It can do over 90 on the flat but I got the shift light set at 5500 rpm so I normally stop at 87, but there are times when I'm having too much fun.

Yeah, brake arm is sooted, but sparky is nearly white like I am when I find out I'm doing 90. [smiley=evil.gif]

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Post by Paladin. on 03/12/08 at 19:37:48

29282A28283522470 wrote:

...35-40 in 5th? Really? Do you accelerate from that speed and gear or just cruise?.... I usually don't go below 45 in 5th.

Yeah, it pulls smoothly with WOT from about 30. Not at briskly as in lower gears, but stronger than most cages and more than enough for me. "Smoothly" is a varible -- I was actually a bit disappointed in how little vibration the Savage has. The counterballancer works fine. I've been doing so for 3.5 years on the same spark plug so the bike doesn't dislike it that much.

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Post by stumusic on 03/12/08 at 20:55:29

OK.. so call me ignorant, but what does WOT stand for? :-/

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Post by YonuhAdisi on 03/12/08 at 21:27:08

WOT = Wide Open Throttle

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Post by Beatduck on 03/12/08 at 23:05:07

Wot? I can't hear you. The engine's to loud..... :P
(Couldn't resist..)

Oddly, 60mph was a problem for me. Fine at 55, and, 65.
But, 60 would vibrate for some reason..... Besides being a thumper, duh.

This was during my trip. Windshield, forkbrace, and really loaded down. (about the same as 2 up)

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Post by klx650sm2002 on 03/13/08 at 07:14:05

KLX seems to be happiest at around 60mph which happens to be peak torque rpm.
Clive W :)

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Post by Kropatchek on 03/13/08 at 08:49:29

3200 RPM :D

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Post by kingcrowofoctober on 03/21/08 at 12:15:36

Went 75 miles riding today and the wind was 15 MPH with gusts up to 30 MPH per the weather service. My sweet spot today was 45 MPH with one knee cocked out for balance.....To bad that wasn't a direct tailwind....zooom zooom :o

Got my sinuses aired out

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Post by Cory on 03/23/08 at 16:27:18

60 to 70 definately