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Message started by jjester on 02/06/08 at 20:12:47

Title: Buying a 05 S40
Post by jjester on 02/06/08 at 20:12:47

My Daughter is buying an 05 S40

I myself have a C50T wich is a water cooled v-twin, This will be her first bike and my first experince with an air cooled one lunger. Will she be able to take 100-200 mile road trips at freeway speeds? And what are some of the tricks to keeping the engine cool?

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Oldfeller on 02/06/08 at 20:23:53

Finish the recommended break in period of 500 miles, then change over from dino oil to a good name brand synthetic oil of 10-40w to 15-50w.

This assures minimal future wear to the properly broken in engine and a rather complete resistance to overheating from all causes including road stress.

Our engines don't get all that hot to begin, especially after we read up and perform the carburetor white spacer mod and the appropriate adjustment of the air screw (see Search function or just read through all the topics in the Tech section for details).

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Paladin. on 02/07/08 at 06:45:24

33333C2A2D3C2B590 wrote:

Will she be able to take 100-200 mile road trips at freeway speeds?

As long as she is content to ride with the traffic rather than zipping past at triple digit speeds. A windscreen makes steady 65-70 rather enjoyable. Others report movement from wind gusts, I hardly ever noticed.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by jjester on 02/07/08 at 10:32:46

Thanks guys

will let her know that she will be fine taking it on some road trips.
She was wanting to ad a wind screen and saddle bags.
Good sugestions to find bolt-on aplications with out modifacations?

Also there is a small oil leak around air cleaner housing I havent had a chance to check it out yet but whqat are some of the known causes for this as it only has 6200 miles on the bike?

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by T Mack 1 on 02/07/08 at 11:21:06

Air cleaner is located behind right side sheet metal cover. The air box is actually under the seat.

So, can you get a picture of the leak ?

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Paladin. on 02/07/08 at 11:41:20

39393620273621530 wrote:

...She was wanting to ad a wind screen and saddle bags. Good sugestions to find bolt-on aplications with out modifacations?...

I'm a minimalist. I have a National Cycle FlyScreen -- takes wind pressure off the body, leaves full wind in face, goggles required. Insufficient for freeway against 30-40 mph headwinds.

I also have a National Cycle Street Shield. (http://shop.nationalcycle.com/perl/cycle/N2560?) It served well on tour, sunglasses sufficed in lieu of goggles. Only time I needed the goggles was in a 40 mph cross wind as the protection area moved 12 inches to the side. It is still small enough not to detract seriously.

Either mounts/dismounts in a few minutes.

Luggage options are limitless. Saddlebags under or over the seat, small or large enough to require moving the turn signals, leather or plastic. Hardbags of whatever you can fabricate brackets for, or my LeatherLyke bags (which aren't listed for the S40 but will fit maybe requiring the sissybar fenderrails.) In L.A. I need to be able to lock my saddlebags.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by verslagen1 on 02/07/08 at 12:08:29

3D3D3224233225570 wrote:

Also there is a small oil leak around air cleaner housing I havent had a chance to check it out yet but whqat are some of the known causes for this as it only has 6200 miles on the bike?

Oil leak around the air cleaner?
I guessing you got a spot under the bike.

1st check the air box drain tube under the bike, should be hanging down a bit. There's a plug, pull it out and some oil/gas/water will come out. If there's alot of gas, check the petcork and carb for proper operation.

2nd speedo cable seal. this little bugger gets lost more often than not. And you can't just buy another. Suitable replacement is an O-ring. This leak is visible on the right side if you got it.

3rd starter seal. this can be damaged when the starter is removed and replaced. This leak drains out from around the primary drive pulley under the bike so it's not obvious.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Savage_Rob on 02/08/08 at 11:25:58

4D4D4254534255270 wrote:

She was wanting to ad a wind screen and saddle bags.
Good sugestions to find bolt-on aplications with out modifacations?

Most throw-over bags will work.. Willie & Max make some that seem to last a long time. I have a National Cycle Dakota windshield on mine and I like it a lot.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by jjester on 02/09/08 at 21:29:51

My Daughter & I just picked up her s40 today It is compleatly stock with 6200 miles on it . It sem pretty doggy on accel. is that nomal also leaking oil out around air cleaner area so i pulled airfilter out to find housing clear full of oil. It apears as though it might be overfull on oil so will change oil on monday but if still has problem has anyone else see this? :-X

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/08 at 22:12:22

That's a real good idea to change the oil.

Oil does get in the air box via the breather hose, but for it to be full? very unusual.

Check the oil in crankcase for a gassy smell. If you got a leaky petcock gas can flow into the crankcase a couple of ways.

If the diaphram is busted, it can flow down the vac line to the carb and then into the cylinder then pass the rings.

Or, if it is a bad needle valve, flood the carb, into cylinder, etc.

You need to check all.

Or the dam mechanic's trainee just put in 4 qt's when only 2 were needed.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Paladin. on 02/10/08 at 05:06:35

39393620273621530 wrote:

.... It sem pretty doggy on accel....

Subjective, depending on what you are used to. But mine will easily be doing 40 mph inside of 200 feet. (I have a MAC muffler and I don't know what the P.O. did to the carb but it runs jes' fine)

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/08 at 11:26:11

7C4D404D4845422C0 wrote:

[quote author=39393620273621530 link=1202357567/0#8 date=1202621391].... It sem pretty doggy on accel....

Subjective, depending on what you are used to. But mine will easily be doing 40 mph inside of 200 feet. (I have a MAC muffler and I don't know what the P.O. did to the carb but it runs jes' fine)[/quote]

Some folks seem to need 200 in 40 feet.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Paladin. on 02/10/08 at 11:52:27

For those who insist on the most horsepower:

Boss Hoss stopped production of the 502cid/502hp model... get the very last one:
http://www.bosshosscycles.com/showbike.php?bikeID=221

Otherwise, a couple miles south ( http://www.californiabosshoss.com/ ) of me, I can pick up a used '05 Boss Hoss 350cid/415hp for only $35K.

Personally, I'll give up a little for easy of handling.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/08 at 17:24:31

Twist the grip, watch it flip. The torque would be very dangerous.
Somehow that just seems counter to my idea of what a bike is sposed to be. I DO wish someone would give me one, I would sell it without ever starting it & buy a few things I want.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by T Mack 1 on 02/10/08 at 18:47:20

3A3A3523243522500 wrote:

That much oil in the Air box is not normal.

Taking a guess here,.....your thought that one of possible problems could be that the oil may have been over filled may be right. The oil level sight glass is checked with bike level. If someone was unfamiliar with this, and they changed the oil and filled it with bike tilted (just on kickstand w/o a block under), then you might get oil here, there and everywhere.

EDIT: And if you had that much oil in the air box, it might dog out. with a clogged filter.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by KwakNut on 02/11/08 at 08:16:10

607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:

Twist the grip, watch it flip. The torque would be very dangerous. .

Not necessarily. If you include rider weight and fuel, that Boss Hoss has 502bhp for 1560lb, while my sports bike has 250hp for 682lb - about 14% more per lb than the Boss Hoss. It will rotate in third off the throttle at 120, and you'd be on your backside in the blink of an eye if you give it a fistful in first, but it's very controllable as long as you don't do anything foolish.

I guess it would be dangerous if you gave a Boss to a complete novice or some young kid who doesn't know his limits, but powerful machines don't have to be dangerous.
I know some people struggle to deal with 30hp, but excess power is just beautiful to ride because you don't have to wring the motor's neck to get past things; it's always just a gentle roll of the throttle and you pass anything smoothly, safely and relaxed.

Back to the original thread, Jjester might find the Savage's stock acceleration dodgy because he's used to bikes with more grunt.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by jjester on 02/12/08 at 09:49:43

After changing oil and cleaning out oil soaked air filter (the dealer doesn't even stock an airfilter) the bike runs better.

there is a plug in the end of the vent hose from the aircleaner housing should that stay there or remove it and leave it out? :-/

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by KwakNut on 02/12/08 at 09:56:40

It's worth checking whether it's a full solid plug - it may be hollow, just reducing the diameter of the breather.

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Reelthing on 02/12/08 at 10:01:54

0A0A0513140512600 wrote:

that's an oil drain for the air box - should pull the plug at oil changes and drain it -

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by T Mack 1 on 02/12/08 at 11:50:11

62626D7B7C6D7A080 wrote:

Title: Re: Buying a 05 S40
Post by Savage_Rob on 02/13/08 at 07:47:06

7B02624E4C441E2F0 wrote:

[quote author=62626D7B7C6D7A080 link=1202357567/15#16 date=1202838583]After changing oil and cleaning out oil soaked air filter (the dealer doesn't even stock an airfilter) the bike runs better.

there is a plug in the end of the vent hose from the aircleaner housing should that stay there or remove it and leave it out? :-/

Plug stays, if I recall correctly it's on the "clean air" side of the filter. But.... if I were you, I would check it weekly for a while.

You may also want to change the sparkplug and run a fuel treatment (cleaner) thru the tank (STP??).

Was the oil over filled?

[/quote]
Yup, plug should stay. Otherwise, you suck road yuck in the clean side (after the air filter)... basically right into the carb.