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Title: Help with buying a Savage! Post by lexx9 on 01/30/08 at 18:54:11 I done the riders course last summer and I bought a 1983 Honda Cm450 for my first bike. This spring I am going to purchase a fairly new if not brand new ride. I would love to get a Savage but am wondering if will seem like stepping down compared to the CM450. The Cm 450 is physically bigger( I am 5. 11 and 190 lbs) also the CM is rated for 47hp . The other side is I am some what intimated by how wide almost all the new bikes are. I mostly do in town riding with scattered short trips on the highway. I live in a small rural town with about 3500 people so its mostly back roads. Any opinions would be great. I just don't want to spend my money and be disappointed. Thanx lexx9 |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/30/08 at 19:04:20 Whats the zero to 60 time on the Honda? Do you need to run steady at 80 mph? If your general ride is across town or 30 mile jaunts, the 650 is a great choice. Longer rides are no problem, really. one guy ran over 11,000 on a trip.I think its a great bike & if you arent looking to increase performance & jack with the sound, the MPG is pretty danged good. Not bad even after doing stuff to it. My daughter got 51 MPG on one I had put a Supertrapp on, w/14 disks, a 150 main jet & a performance cam. Also removed the innerwall from the header.. so, it has been modified some,,51 mpg & runs good. I wouldnt buy new. I DID, but I didnt know about this forum, or I would mosdt likely have bought used. WELCOME! |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by demin on 01/30/08 at 19:14:08 I'm 6'3" and ride,and own two of them'86&'87.It's a little small but that will be fixed soon with new forward controls.I think the horsepower is a little overated for the Honda.I've ridden them plus I have a CL450 and they don't run like the Savage.My Harley is only around 50hp and it's 1200cc.I like the lightness of the Savage for quick manuvering.Plenty of torque to get out of situations. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by txsizzler on 01/30/08 at 20:03:35 I just started riding in May of 2007, with the purchase of a Honda Elite 80 scooter. That started my love with riding. In June of '07, I got a great deal on a 2006 Honda Rebel 250cc bike, and that really improved my technique, got me used to shifting gears, and even though the bike was a real lightweight, I started to truly understand the dynamics of riding. In October of 2007, I sold off the Rebel, and got a super deal on a 2002 Kawasaki 1500 Mean Streak (11k miles, V&H Straightshots, Memphis Shades Windshield, etc.). Between selling the Rebel and the buying of the Kawi, I was out only $3300. Talk about a change! Going from a 250cc to a 1500cc monster was like night and day! The weight difference was huge too.. from 335 lbs, to around 800lbs! Thus, there was a bit of intimidation when moving up this fast, but let me tell you.. the exhiliration is like nothing you have ever felt before! I bought my 2003 Savage three weeks ago (another great deal... has only 3040 miles, came with the saddlebags, got it for $1350). Still have the Kawi. I absolutely LOVE the Savage.. going back to something that lightweight, something that small, something SOOO maneuverable, is just WONDERFUL! This bike can do well on the freeway, or in town. I actually like the occasional backfire.. adds a certain charm to the bike. Plus, it just looks great! So, to answer your question, I think it would be fine for you to get a Savage. You will really appreciate the things it has to offer, and if you keep your Honda, you will have two bikes to switch on and off from. The Savage is a unique beast; unlike anything you have ever rode before. Enjoy! Ian |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Lazy Old Rider on 01/31/08 at 04:05:12 In the UK as an adult, (16 year olds are restricted to 50cc) you are only allowed "learn on a bike with 125 cc. After a test is passed on a 125, then you can go up to 33BHP (for two years), approx a 250cc "Modern Bike", though the Savage is a 650cc 33 BHP, so there must be a lot more Torque Available. (Over 21 year olds can take a "Direct Access" test via a school on a 650CC bike providing they are in radio communication with an examiner or instructor, all the time that they are riding it.) So a Learner Bike is 125 "Light Bike"and the Savage is classed as a Motorbike, and all else from a Bandit to a Hayabusa or Goldwing are classed as Heavy Motorbikes. We find that the 125 is good at town commuting, but when you need to open it up on a highway there is something lacking. 33BHP Machines are adequate All Rounders and the Savage is Excellent for the "Vertically Challenged", Though a "Knee Down" Power Ranger (Matching Leathers etc), find that it is inadequate on the Power Front, though they do tend to forget about speed limits etc. I have found that the Savage is Adequate to ride even with two up and "Slow" vehicles can be passed safely. As for riding on Dirt Roads not a lot here, "C***P roads yes but dirt no, I am not so sure re the Belt Drive and picking up grit etc, though I have read here about guys putting on a Chain Conversion. So again it is another endorsement to a Savage, the next move may and it is a may now, be a Kwak Drifter or if the money is there a Victory Vegas Low, but that is just in the indeterminate future. Whatever you choose enjoy it |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Paladin. on 01/31/08 at 04:35:06 70796464251C0 wrote:
That is 47 PEAK horsepower -- at what RPM? What hp is being produced at more reasonable RPMs? What is the torque rating? For a given displacement a single cylinder produces the most torque. Torque is what gives you neck snapping acceleration, not hp. HP gives you high end performance, top speed. Some while back one of our lady Savages reported about a sport bike making noises at a stoplight. When the green came she left him in the dust. The Savage is, IMO, the ideal city bike. In addition it is more than acceptable on county lanes and in the twisties; and even capable of touring as long as you are comfortable sticking to speed limits. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by sharon on 01/31/08 at 04:59:25 If you're not sure about the s40 check out the s50. I bought one a few weeks ago, I kept my thumper but I wanted something a little bigger for some of the long trips we have planned this summer. I'm like you I didn't what a bike that felt chunky when I sat on it. The s50 is the same as the s40 but different. It fells like the s40 when you sit on it, it has the smaller drag style bars, the narrow tank and seat and it doesn't feel heavy. It's a 800 vtwin instead of a single. I haven't had a chance to get out and ride because of the weather but I think I love it as much as I do the thumper. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by mornhm on 01/31/08 at 05:25:07 If almost all your riding is as described, assuming that the Savage "fits" your riding position, you will not be disappointed or looking for a different ride anytime soon. However, you might want to ask yourself why you are looking to change - is it just to get something "new?" If so, does new to you mean modern? The technology on a Savage is not modern. This is what makes the Savage appeal to a lot of people (I ride a MC designed 20 plus years ago). Other people want a modern MC with fuel injection, computers etc. If this is the only reason for changing, how soon will you be wanting another MC. My point is that if you are going to change MC's every year, go for the Savage this year and something new next year. 0C05181859600 wrote:
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by lexx9 on 01/31/08 at 12:59:03 Thanks for all the advice. I am looking for something newer meaning a new bike. My bike is fine but its 25 years old and not as reliable as I would like. I am not worried about the tech side of it I'm of the school the simpler the better? Thanks again lexx9 |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Dark Savage on 01/31/08 at 13:30:17 6F667B7B3A030 wrote:
Can't get much simpler than the Savage/S40. One carb, one cylinder, air cooled, belt drive is about as simple as it gets. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by LANCER on 01/31/08 at 14:34:27 IT IS SIMPLE, DEPENDABLE, INEXPENSIVE, AND IS GREAT FOR THE AROUND TOWN AND COMMUTE STUFF. THE LOW AND MIDRANGE TORQUE, COMBINED WITH ITS MANEUVERABLILITY MAKE A VERY ATTRACTIVE RIDING PACKAGE. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by lexx9 on 01/31/08 at 14:41:53 What do the 2008 S40 go for new in the US? Here in Canada its $6200.00. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Paladin. on 01/31/08 at 15:38:31 Depends on where in the U.S.. Here in LaLaLand you can get an out the door quote from http://www.otdcyclesports.com/ -- out the door means it's the price you pay to ride away, bike, tax, license, registration, setup, delievery, extras, you name it. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by bill67 on 01/31/08 at 15:47:30 Around $4800 out the door |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Paladin. on 01/31/08 at 20:40:43 got access to my e-mail, otdcyclesports wrote me: Quote:
Sometimes it is good to be sitting in the middle 4,850 sq.miles holding 13 million people. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Lazy Old Rider on 02/01/08 at 01:26:43 Cant find the peeps who import into UK, as they are not advertising at the moment, but a 700 Mile "Preloved" is £ 2999.00 (UKP) |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by bill67 on 02/01/08 at 05:00:05 Yes you will save money by buying a 2007 instead of 2008,I got my new 2006 for 3900 out the door last year with first service free. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Paladin. on 02/01/08 at 05:42:15 Get one while you can. Emission regulations will soon thighten and the air-cooled carburated will be legislated out of existence. Looking at suzuki.uk website it looks like the S40 has already bit the dust. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by Lazy Old Rider on 02/01/08 at 06:19:26 1D2C212C2924234D0 wrote:
Unfortunately I think you are right, I was speaking to the Royal Enfield Importers over here, British Design frame now with a Austrian redesign of a British Thumper Engine, manufactured in India. They have bought as many as they can and registered them in 2007, because new European Legislation is enforcing new Emmissions on 2008 bikes. Enfield are still perfecting/negotiating their injection replacement. I suspect that complying Engines will need to be Water cooled and injection as the temperature parameter is more easily controlled with water and mixture by a "Chip". Throw in an Accountant and there will be a Mid ranged engine for a number of markets, strangled in UK to meet the 33 (about to go up to 40 in October I think) BHP Rule, for inexperienced (not learner) rider. It may also need to sound like a watch. Getting morose now, will be talking about a Hydrogen Cell Bike next |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by BOWDIER on 02/01/08 at 12:46:53 I love the savage, I'm 6"2, ride with no problem. Its a great bike and even I can work on it. |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by PerrydaSavage on 02/01/08 at 13:41:05 Hiya lexx ... just saw your post over at NewfoundlandBiker.tv ... great to see another Nflder over here ... this is a truely great Web Community! The Savage/S40 is a super Bike ... rode my '03 from Aug. 2003 'til I sold it last Oct. with ZERO mechanical issues whatsoever ... the ONLY reason I sold it, was 'cause a co-worker offered me his '06 S50 (VS800) for a price that was too good to pass up ... and I couldn't afford to have 2 Bikes! Still love the LS650 though and miss my '03 ... If you're wondering if the Savage/S40 will fit you, you should try and find one to sit on ... a buddy of mine has an old '86 which his wife uses ... I may be able to arrange a sit-on for you if you are interested. As for other new/newer Bikes which would suit you? Well, there are several! Kawasaki EN500 Vulcan (Cruiser) Honda VLX600 Shadow (Cruiser) Suzuki GS500 (Standard) Kawasaki Ninja 500 (Sport) Kawasaki Versys 650 (Standard) Suzuki V-Strom 650 (Standard) Suzuki SV650 (Semi-Sport) |
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Title: Re: Help with buying a Savage! Post by lexx9 on 02/01/08 at 15:59:32 Actually Perry, I was hoping yours would not sell so I could get it this year!! LOL. I was not ready to get a new bike last fall. But I am glad that you did move it so you could get your new ride. All the best. lexx9 |
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