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Title: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/21/08 at 05:34:11 ONE: my exhaust pipe is come loose AGAIN and is now backfiring at the connection where the header meets the pipe. THis happens almost once a month and is a pain to reassemble. The pipe is a replacement (not stock) HD with a screw clamp. My question is: is there another way, better way, something way to get this to stay together? TWO: I looked (for over an hour) at my owners manual, at the Clymers manual and in the Savage CD and could not find the NAME of a hose that seems to be leaking oil on my bike. It is located above the oil case right in front of the clutch cable. It is rubber wrapped in spring wire. It seems to be leaking right at the nut joint. My guess is that it is an oil hose but going where and what for, and do I need to drain it or anything before unhooking or tightening it? Does it have a name or ID? |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by demin on 01/21/08 at 05:51:14 1)When you say screw clamp are you talking about a hose clamp,if so go to autozone(or parts store) get a muffler clamp of the correct size,1.75" I think. 2) That hose is your speedometer cable,there is a rubber seal inside if that is bad I have gone to the parts store and got an 0-ring to fit it.On my '87 I had to get a new cable the housing got hard and cracked when I moved it for the new speedo. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/21/08 at 05:57:35 If you can get the clamp on tight enough to stop the leak, drizzle some high temp threadlock on it, so it will stop vibrating loose. If finding the right size O-Ring is a hassle & you can lay hands on a couple that are too big real cheap & easy, take an X-Acto & cut thru an o-ring, at an angle, then stick it in the housing & wrap it to the overlap, then cut & fit it. I've done this twice & it doesnt leak. Just takes a few minutes. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by thumperclone on 01/21/08 at 07:17:09 1) have to ask the muffler is mounted to the stock location and is secure?.. 2)stealership lost mine once their parts lists dont show the speedo cable o ring either..when you pull the tank and undo the cable the o ring drops out never to be found!! |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Rogue_Cheddar on 01/21/08 at 07:37:23 Don't forget ACE hardware if you have one of them around you, they seem to have a fairly extensive O-ring inventory. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/21/08 at 07:57:38 If it is the speedo cable, why is there OIL around the connector? The screw on clamp for the exhaust is vibrating loose, and I think that is because I tighten it each time as tight as "I" can...and remember it took me 8 hours to get the oil bolt off last time. Obviously my upper body strength is NOT anywhere near what you guys have. At this point I think Island Wahini needs to come visit NC to help me get this thing together!! :o |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/21/08 at 09:06:47 You may need to get another hose clamp. The one I have is excelent. It has a full band that encircles the pipe entirely. And the clamp is tighted by an aircraft style T-bolt and nut. Not like the stock clamp or a typical worm drive hose clamp. That and a gasket made by coke-cola or budweiser should do you just fine. The speedo cable connection will leak oil cause it constantly wetted by the oil being thrown off by the clutch. And due to the pumping action of the piston going up and down there is quite a bit of air flow pushing this oil out. The original o-ring is not really an o-ring, but a standard size will fit and keep the leak down to a point where it only collects dirt. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/21/08 at 09:18:01 776473726D6066646F30010 wrote:
Thank you for the input - I appreciate knowing what the heck is going on under my butt! ;) The clamp I have on the pipe now I think is the one you mention - a T shaped turnscrew on a full circle connector. I am beginning to think that I just cannot tighten it well enough to stay put. The oil leak area is not spewing oil, just collecting dirt on the joint from the tiny amount of oil that is there. It is stock on my 2006. So do you guys think I should replace it, or leave it? |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/21/08 at 10:28:30 233B31243E323E33500 wrote:
The reason that you couldn't find the photo on the Savage CD is because you didn't know what to call it. As mentioned before it is the speedo cable. The photo name is "Speedo_Seal.jpg" and it is in the "Engine" folder. In that photo I show a common size o-ring that you can buy at a hardware store for about .25 cents. It is made out of neoprene. Just get one that is a snug fit inside the nut, and that nut is only hand tightened enough to compress the seal and stop a leak. You don't have to make it really tight with pliers or something...which might actually make it leak too. PS - anytime you can't find something that you seek on the CD, please feel free to send me an email. I always check email even if I don't log in here. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/21/08 at 10:37:27 6F777D68727E727F1C0 wrote:
Thank you for the input - I appreciate knowing what the heck is going on under my butt! ;) The clamp I have on the pipe now I think is the one you mention - a T shaped turnscrew on a full circle connector. I am beginning to think that I just cannot tighten it well enough to stay put. The oil leak area is not spewing oil, just collecting dirt on the joint from the tiny amount of oil that is there. It is stock on my 2006. So do you guys think I should replace it, or leave it? [/quote] It shouldn't leak a lot. Not really under pressure. If tightening doesn't fix it, then get an o-ring. Sometimes they even fall out (and drop under the starter, too) when you take the cable off. That's why you want a snug size o-ring. Oh, don't be surprised if the speedo-cable seems like it won't go back into the engine case. The cable is keyed as you see in the photo, and you may have to turn it to get it in the right way. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/21/08 at 11:30:53 120A00150F030F02610 wrote:
Glad to keep an eye on it for you! :o I'd leave it, once it gets worse then replace it. ;D |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Reelthing on 01/21/08 at 11:39:09 you can buy some YELLOW teflon thread seal tape at the hardware store that is oil/chem proof - it's much thicker than the white plumber tape - don't use that stuff- the yellow tape will seal the speedo leak if it is leaking in the threads - if you can't find any I'll mail you bit |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/21/08 at 12:50:13 6B5C5C554D5150575E390 wrote:
But wouldn't you say that if it's leaking from the threads, that it must be leaking past the seal? If that's the case, then why not just buy a 25 cent o-ring at the hardware store, instead of a roll of tape? |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Reelthing on 01/21/08 at 13:57:12 7144535169000306360 wrote:
But wouldn't you say that if it's leaking from the threads, that it must be leaking past the seal? If that's the case, then why not just buy a 25 cent o-ring at the hardware store, instead of a roll of tape?[/quote] I flat didn't have a complete seal with the the o-rings - still would seep a little a - went back to the oem seal and a little yellow tape on the threads - narry a drop since |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/21/08 at 17:06:38 If someone can make me a sketch of this O-ring, I'll see if I can find/make some. I either lost it on the first tank removal or it never had one. ;D |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Reelthing on 01/21/08 at 17:26:59 here's a couple - it's a proper seal - metal base coated in rubber http://reelthing.savageriders.com/pics/savage/seal1.JPG http://reelthing.savageriders.com/pics/savage/seal2.JPG http://reelthing.savageriders.com/pics/savage/seal3.JPG |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Onederer on 01/21/08 at 18:11:00 The speedo cable on my '06 was leaking. I had it hand tight, and it still leaked, turned it just a little with some pliers, PRESTO! I don't think an o-ring would seal completely, because even if it stops the leak right at the engine case, if it does'nt seal against the cable itself, crankcase pressure, and/or climbing oil, will force/carry oil up the cable to ultimatley cause it to leak from under the tank, makeing a heckofa mess (speaking from experience with a bad seal). If you look closely at the factory seal, you'll notice a "lip", that faces downward and is designed to prevent this. Most all fluid stoping seals have this "lip". I have'nt personally tried useing an o-ring, so if it works for anyone, great, just my thought. the factory seal is a metal re-enforced rubber seal.To get a new seal, you'd have to by the whole cable, which I think is around $35. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by SavageWahine on 01/21/08 at 19:20:47 7E666C79636F636E0D0 wrote:
I WOULD LOVE TO!!! WANT TO PLAY THE LOTTO IN MY NAME? |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by SavageWahine on 01/21/08 at 19:24:21 I took the speedo to Napa and looked through the o-rings for a good fit. No leaks ever since! |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/21/08 at 22:48:29 5463636A726E6F6861060 wrote:
But wouldn't you say that if it's leaking from the threads, that it must be leaking past the seal? If that's the case, then why not just buy a 25 cent o-ring at the hardware store, instead of a roll of tape?[/quote] I flat didn't have a complete seal with the the o-rings - still would seep a little a - went back to the oem seal and a little yellow tape on the threads - narry a drop since [/quote] As my little motto says...:P Yeah, but see my point is....Mine doesn't leak. No seeping. That's with an o-ring, no tape, and finger tight. Oh, and can I say...Times 2? Both our Savages are the same. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/21/08 at 22:50:00 2339262B242E3D2B2223242F4A0 wrote:
Thanks. At least one person believes me. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/22/08 at 06:42:06 2B312E232C2635232A2B2C27420 wrote:
I WOULD LOVE TO!!! WANT TO PLAY THE LOTTO IN MY NAME?[/quote] When I win the lotto we can swap houses for a month or two, and then do a ride cross country (pick one) on our Savages! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/22/08 at 07:14:51 67505059415D5C5B52350 wrote:
Looks like something I've seen before (and not on the floor). Dimensions please. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Reelthing on 01/22/08 at 13:02:56 546176744C252623130 wrote:
Thanks. At least one person believes me.[/quote] I believe, just not with the o-rings I had - they turned to goo - no idea why - had the old one in the tail bag picked up the yellow tape and did a parking lot fix |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/22/08 at 13:05:23 Most likely you got the wrong type of O-ring. The material should rated for automotive use. ;D |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by steely on 01/22/08 at 16:36:09 283B2C2D323F393B306F5E0 wrote:
You want that in napkin, AutoCAD, or SolidEdge format? ;D I can do any of the three. I would have to see if my bike still has mine though. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/22/08 at 18:17:34 A napkin please, I just finished eating. ;D I think I may be able to find something close in a catalog, maybe with a little mod. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by SavageWahine on 01/23/08 at 00:31:50 5F474D58424E424F2C0 wrote:
I WOULD LOVE TO!!! WANT TO PLAY THE LOTTO IN MY NAME?[/quote] When I win the lotto we can swap houses for a month or two, and then do a ride cross country (pick one) on our Savages! 8-) [/quote] I'll keep you to your promise!! It would definitely be a lot of fun to do this with another woman (no "honey you should do it this way stuff"!) LOL Your comment made me think of the movie The Holiday with Cameron Diaz and Kat Winslet, hilarious! |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by bill67 on 01/23/08 at 05:48:16 Now honey you know you need a man to lead you. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/23/08 at 07:00:50 393237376D6C5B0 wrote:
Why yes I do....out to dinner, then dancing. After that he can eat my dust as I ride off on my Savage!! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/23/08 at 07:20:44 73607776696462606B34050 wrote:
Neoprene is good. Pretty standard. Mine's been installed for about 4 years too. I guess that when I get a chance, I'll put a caliper on mine and post it. I'll put a notation on the photo in the Savage CD too. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Rob on 01/23/08 at 10:59:49 I usually use nitrile for petroleum resistance. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by T Mack 1 on 01/23/08 at 11:27:50 4D7F687F797B414C717C1E0 wrote:
And where do you pick up these???? |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Rob on 01/23/08 at 11:49:27 7C0565494B4319280 wrote:
And where do you pick up these???? [/quote] Harbor Freight (http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=nitrile+o+ring&Submit=Go) |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by T Mack 1 on 01/23/08 at 14:00:55 3002150204063C310C01630 wrote:
And where do you pick up these???? [/quote] Harbor Freight (http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=nitrile+o+ring&Submit=Go)[/quote] Cool ... Thanks ;D |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/23/08 at 14:12:10 6C5E495E585A606D505D3F0 wrote:
Neoprene as quoted from the Dupont web site here: http://www.dupontelastomers.com/Products/Neoprene/neoprene.asp "Neoprene polychloroprene is an extremely versatile synthetic rubber with more than 75 years of proven performance in a broad industry spectrum. It was originally developed as an oil-resistant substitute for natural rubber. Neoprene is noted for a unique combination of properties, which has led to its use in thousands of applications in diverse environments. A Balanced Combination of Properties * Resists degradation from sun, ozone and weather * Performs well in contact with oils and many chemicals * Remains useful over a wide temperature range * Displays outstanding physical toughness * Resists burning inherently better than exclusively hydrocarbon rubbers * Outstanding resistance to damage caused by flexing and twisting" So, with that in mind, ya'll can run around all over the place looking for a special o-ring, or tape, or you can go down to a local hardware store and be done with it. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/28/08 at 05:33:28 It finally warmed up to 38F this weekend so I could work on the bike. Here are photos of what my issues were about. Notice the carbon black on the pipe before the header-to-exaust joint, and likewise on the inside of the heat shield. I cleaned all that off and banged the pipe back on again. This time I tightened the clamp as hard as I could with my socket wrench. The other pic is of the leak on the nameless hose. I cleaned that off too and will not be messing with it for now. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/28/08 at 05:39:05 I cannot get the system to upload more than one photo! Here is the pic of the pipe. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/28/08 at 09:31:44 4D555F4A505C505D3E0 wrote:
Might be nameless, but it's not a hose ;D |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/28/08 at 11:22:14 Hint: It's not the clutch, has a cable that goes round and round, and I was asking for the dimensions of the little O-ring that prevents the leak you're talking about just a couple of weeks ago. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/28/08 at 11:26:40 3F2C3B3A25282E2C2778490 wrote:
Did you get the dimensions, or do you want me to measure mine? |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by verslagen1 on 01/28/08 at 11:30:33 7C495E5C640D0E0B3B0 wrote:
Did you get the dimensions, or do you want me to measure mine?[/quote] I got a nice picture, but no dim's. Could you measure yours? p p p please? ;D |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/28/08 at 12:04:37 52415657484543414A15240 wrote:
Did you get the dimensions, or do you want me to measure mine?[/quote] I got a nice picture, but no dim's. Could you measure yours? p p p please? ;D[/quote] Understood and photo updated, too. Thanks. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/Speedo_Seal.jpg |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/29/08 at 06:21:48 I surrender on trying to get the dang photos to load. Check out my BikePics site for really detailed pictures of this issue. skatnbnc under the personal photos section. I posted the close up of the exhaust pipe clamp and the mystery hose connector. Okay, here is a better pic of the clamp and carbon black leaking. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/29/08 at 07:22:16 Nice photo, but what's that mess on the ground under you? |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/29/08 at 07:24:29 100802170D010D00630 wrote:
Actually, that top photo of the "unknown nameless hose cable" it is a problem with both the original size and the aspect ratio. The photo is too small to be stretched, which I think is automatically done by the forum software. The photo was originally 105 x 160 pixels, but it is being stretched to a default size of 450 x 680 or so. The aspect ratio is the same as the ratio of the width to height or 105 to 680. The forum default is width=450 so it stretches the height to the same amount. Unfortunately, the pixels resolution of your photo (camera phone?) is too low for that kind of "zoom". Try changing your image tags to something like [img width=105] to see if it looks clearer. You could also do 210 or 315 and see if that works. When I want to post a photo (and upload it to Photobucket), I reduce the size way down from the original to a size of 640 x 480. Which is an aspect ratio of 4 to 3. You can reduce down with much better results than going up |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by SavageWahine on 01/29/08 at 10:47:52 667E74617B777B76150 wrote:
Go into the file where you keep your MC pictures and hold your cursor over the picture you want to post and hold it still, a little window pops up, how many KBs or MBs does it say that there are? It should be less them 250 KBs in order for you to attach it. If it's a lot less then you get blocky pictures. |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by skatnbnc on 01/29/08 at 14:29:16 6F5A4D4F771E1D18280 wrote:
My heat shield.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Two questions Post by Savage_Greg on 01/31/08 at 06:47:27 273F35203A363A37540 wrote:
My heat shield.... ;D[/quote] I thought it might have been a muffler gasket leak ::) |
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