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Message started by skrapiron on 01/09/08 at 12:48:54

Title: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/09/08 at 12:48:54

Alot of folks have asked from time to time, about mounting a trunk or other storage device to the Savage.  Most options that I have looked at are large, bulky and can be difficult to mount. That is until today.

I stopped by my local dealership to order a new front tire.  Not only did they have one in stock, they took my bike in to the service department and mounted it right away (wow!)

While I was killing time in the showroom, I found that they had added some new luggage options for the bikes.  

I ended up getting this:

The DowCo Iron Rider overnight bag.
http://www.dowco-inc.com/Prod_Power.asp?seg=2&ProdID=50126-00

The bag measures 14" long by 11" wide by 9" deep.  It is soft sided (polyester) but has a rigid back and bottom to allow it to retain its shape when loaded.

Attached  is a picture of the bag on my bike.


Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/09/08 at 12:52:33

The second picture is what I consider the most important.  The Real World carrying capacity.

Much to my delight, it is big enough to carry two 6-packs (long neck bottles, even). Or, if you're one of those more practical people,  you can fit a 1/2 helmet (or a youth 3/4th helmet) inside....

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Gary On A Savage on 01/09/08 at 13:23:43

The support is only the bag?  No luggage rack, right?  How much weight can it support?

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/09/08 at 14:07:26

I have the Suzuki 'factory' luggage rack.  I believe it is rated for 55lbs.  The bag (like any top case) requires a luggage rack.

An update on the capacity:  

The top case will accomodate 1 loaf of bread, 2 10oz packages of spinach, 1 16 oz can of sour cream, 1 package of hot dog buns, 2 tubs of butter, a 6 pack of club soda and a bag of chips.  There was still room to spare! ;D

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Greg on 01/09/08 at 15:38:18

Way to go, Homer.  That's a trunk I can appreciate.  My spouse might want that one on hers.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SteveRocket1 on 01/09/08 at 16:27:44

I bought a 7 Dollar tool box from Walmart and it sits on the Suzuki Luggage rack with a couple of bungees. It is 18 inches long, 9-10 ins wide and about 10in deep. It has a tool tray that I took out for more room.  Also with a long hasp padlock I can lock it to the sissy bar (I don't have a pad). It can also be locked to keep out honest people.  if you want it on semi permanent you could bolt it on. The things I will say about it is, as it stands it is not water proof and opening it on the bike requires a bit of a knack. best to take it off and put it on the floor
Not as elegant as the bag though but functional
Steve    

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage = HD eater on 01/09/08 at 22:05:06

How does it attach to the bike?  I can see the strap that goes around the back rest.  How else does it attach?

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Greg on 01/09/08 at 23:18:17

I bookmarked that one.  Made by Dowco so it can't be bad...reminds me of the bike cover I had once too

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by PerrydaSavage on 01/10/08 at 01:58:35

I'd like to see a couple of those Army Surplus ammo cans mounted as paniers on a Savage ... betcha that'd be cool! 8-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Bear_Rider on 01/10/08 at 21:15:40

What size cans are you talking about?

If you go over to the TW200 forum, chopper charles had some 40mm cans mounted for a while. He took them off because they weighed about 50 pounds empty.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 01/10/08 at 21:22:08

I have a 2.5 gal gerry can.  If I could only find another.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by T Mack 1 on 01/11/08 at 06:30:46


243720213E3335373C63520 wrote:
I have a 2.5 gal gerry can.  If I could only find another.



Eaby  item 330186422567 .....   S.S.  2.5 gerry can    a bit pricey though, $95 buy it now.   But shiney!!!!

Aslo item 280190312995  "Polished"  

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by feelinjunky on 01/12/08 at 09:43:14

If you want a big and reliable, easy to install trunk, try the Jc whitney case. 22-1/2"W x 16-1/2"L x 11"H. I ride my bike to school everyday and it easily accommodates my 50-60 pound backpack (packed with all my books). It also adds more back support for the rear passenger. For $85, I think it's worth it.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Greg on 01/12/08 at 10:00:21

This whole topic is almost hazardous.  I sent  my spouse (at work) the Dowco link for the luggage rack, and she found $350 worth of Dowco bags that she wants http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/smilie_Frustrated.gif

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Greg on 01/12/08 at 10:02:54


566374747F6267556770676163060 wrote:
I'd like to see a couple of those Army Surplus ammo cans mounted as paniers on a Savage ... betcha that'd be cool! 8-)

Now, that's more my style.  Painted gloss black, a couple ammo cans would be a perfect match with my vintage Honda rack :P

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/12/08 at 12:24:05


2526262F2A2D29362D283A430 wrote:
If you want a big and reliable, easy to install trunk, try the Jc whitney case. 22-1/2"W x 16-1/2"L x 11"H. I ride my bike to school everyday and it easily accommodates my 50-60 pound backpack (packed with all my books). It also adds more back support for the rear passenger. For $85, I think it's worth it.


I looked at the JC Whitney option.  I decided against it for a number of reasons.

First, look at the mounting position.  With the sissybar in place, the trunk itself (as well as its mounting plate) is pushed almost to the end of the luggage rack.  In fact, the mounting plate extends almost 8" beyond the end of the luggage rack.  That extension increases the torque stress on the rack mount.  In otherwords, the farther back you mount the trunk, the more stress you are putting on the luggage rack. (think the principle of leverage)

Now by adding 50-60lbs into the trunk, you are stressing the luggage rack even more severely.  Believe it or not, but every bump you hit in the road causes your entire luggage rack (and all of its contents) to bounce and deflect.  (I noticed this while following a buddy who did the same thing with his Honda.  With every jolt , his trunk would deflect a good 2 or 3 inches.)  Every time you stress the metal it begins to fatigue and will eventually snap at that fatigue point... Taking the trunk and its contents along for the bouncy ride....

The only way to prevent the flexing is to add additional rigid bracing from the center-of-mass (the exact center of the trunk and its mounting plate) to the fender.  It turned out to be more fabrication work than I wanted to get involved with..  That's why I ended up with the soft-side trunk.


Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by geo on 01/15/08 at 18:48:45

I bought this bike because of its light weight. Why do you guys keep trying to add junk trying to get it up to 500 pounds? If you need a Goldwing, buy the Goldwing. :question

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by YonuhAdisi on 01/15/08 at 20:56:53

What is your problem geo? First you slam people for wanting high rise handle bars, now your slamming people for wanting to add other things.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 01/15/08 at 21:06:28

A Goldwing weighs nearly 800 pounds and costs more than a fourpack of S40's.  It costs more than A Volkswagen Beetle and gets worse highway gas mileage.

We don't need a Goldwing, but we do need *at times* to carry more than what can be stuffed into a pocket.  Hence the fork mounted tool bag, Sluggo's tank bags, saddlebags, panniers, luggage rack, tailboxes, sidecar and/or trailer hitch.  And the little Savage/S40 is a remarkably capable bike.  Yeah, it's a lightweight city / backroad crusier -- but it can do double duty and handle the superslabs and cross country touring.  

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 01/15/08 at 21:13:31

And if I remember correctly, Dr. Jim had a canoe carrying sidecar.

If we want to go fast economically, we'll strip it down.

If we want to camping, we will go in style.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Polar_Pilot on 01/15/08 at 21:24:52


4B534A5948514A5756380 wrote:
[quote author=2526262F2A2D29362D283A430 link=1199911736/0#12 date=1200159794
That extension increases the torque stress on the rack mount.  In otherwords, the farther back you mount the trunk, the more stress you are putting on the luggage rack. Every time you stress the metal it begins to fatigue and will eventually snap at that fatigue point... Taking the trunk and its contents along for the bouncy ride....

The only way to prevent the flexing is to add additional rigid bracing from the center-of-mass (the exact center of the trunk and its mounting plate) to the fender.  It turned out to be more fabrication work than I wanted to get involved with..  That's why I ended up with the soft-side trunk.


I had the problem on another bike and wound up solving it by simply bolting a plate of plywood as an extension to the luggage rack - the plywood will flex and soaks up the jolts - it is odd to watch it moving around but in 15,000 kms there is no sign of the plywood failing. The plywood is marine grade and has 7 plys. Fabricating with wood is a lot easier than working with metal - sometimes

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Max_Morley on 01/15/08 at 21:27:47

I'm sure Phelonius will correct us, but I remember him as building the kayak carrying sidecar. And I happen to like my bagger for its utility in being able to runs errands and bring home the goods. To each his own I say. Max

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 01/15/08 at 22:05:33

Dam right max... to each his own.

No need to put anyone down for it either, just say it's not for me and smile.   ;D

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/16/08 at 05:18:49


2D2F254A0 wrote:
I bought this bike because of its light weight. Why do you guys keep trying to add junk trying to get it up to 500 pounds? If you need a Goldwing, buy the Goldwing. :question


Why would I want an 800lb bike that wouldn't fit in my garage?  Why would I want a bike that gets worse gas mileage than my wife's Honda Pilot?

Why am I adding luggage (and weight) to my Savage? Because its mine.  I'm not interested in racing it.  I'm not interested in going fast.  I want to ride. The Savage is the perfect commuter.  I use it in lieu of operating a car (because I live getting 55mpg in the city!).  With the luggage, I can carry a weeks worth of groceries.  I can run all of my errands AND still have room for impulse purchases.  I can carry all of my tools and parts to run local service calls at customer sites.  I can carry my kids sports equipment and ride to evrey practice or game.

Try doing that on a Goldwing. You'd go broke filling the tank and you'd be dog tired trying to ride it through traffic.  If I want to tour cross country on a barca-lounger, I'll look at a Goldwing.  For everything else, I'm going to ride my Savage. 8-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SteveRocket1 on 01/16/08 at 08:25:45

I strapped a 3ft X 2ft x 1ft box full of tools and spares onto the passenger pad when I had to. The Savage took no notice of it and pulled just as normal.  It's very capable bike.
Steve

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Greg on 01/16/08 at 16:15:28

Don't they make milk crates anymore.  Used to get them for free (sort of) :P

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Rockin_John on 01/16/08 at 22:39:05

My poor boy solution:

http://catoosatrading.com/images/bucket1.jpg

5 gallon paint bucket... free; can of black paint already laying
around garage; extra long bungee cords borrowed from bro.

Total cost = $0  Function as backrest: Priceless.  8-) 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by tinga on 01/17/08 at 07:30:38

i have in the past used a milk crate but this bike i got has nice bags on already,with e-z on off zippers

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by feelinjunky on 01/18/08 at 19:32:20

Skrapiron, I see what you are saying. In order to mount mine, I did reinforce the luggage rack with .25" x 1" x 12" steel bars I found in my garage. Just drilled a couple holes in the steel to fit the screws through. The mounting process took my about 15 min. But I also work with steel everyday, so I kinda know what goes where.

As far as bending, HAHA, there is NO WAY 1/4" steel will bend in this application. you would have to put about 600 pounds worth of stuff in the trunk case for this to be a problem. The trunk doesn't move up and down as a result. When I load something in, the weight transfers to the rear shocks through the sissy bars.

Like i said, I ride to school everyday with 50-60 pounds of books. I realize that every bump I hit about 100-120 pounds of force is transferred throughout the trunk, rack, sissy bars and shocks. This is nothing when reinforced.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by feelinjunky on 01/18/08 at 19:35:33

Here's the bottom view of how i mounted it. By the way, how can you put multiple pictures in 1 post?

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by geo on 01/18/08 at 21:21:56

Gees, Is it possible to mount a pickup truck box to this thing? Or maybe there might be a way to put a trailer hitch on this bike so you might be able to trail a camper, or even a boat.
Can't you just ride for enjoyment? Does the bike have to haul your worthless junk around? Does this bike have to be a pick-em-up-truck?
This is a nitch motorcycle. It's lighter than anything with reasonable displacement. It just doesn't make sence to me to hang more junk on this machine. :o

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 01/19/08 at 06:21:35


Quote:
Gees, Is it possible to mount a pickup truck box to this thing? Or maybe there might be a way to put a trailer hitch on this bike so you might be able to trail a camper, or even a boat.
You betcha!  What with ideas picked up here I'm planning on a pair of siderails with recievers to take both a trailer hitch and a two foot by three foor pickup box -- with tailgate.

Quote:
Can't you just ride for enjoyment?
While riding is enjoyable, for many of us the bike is NOT simply a TOY for playing with.

Quote:
Does the bike have to haul your worthless junk around? Does this bike have to be a pick-em-up-truck?
Some of us do not have the luxery of owning multiple vehicles.  For some of us the Bike is our ONLY transportation.  We do not HAVE a pick-em-up-truck.  We do not HAVE a cage.  We all need, at times, to haul our "worthless junk" around.  (FWIW, my "worthless junk" is of infinite more value to me than your worthless carcass.)  I would like to do so with my own vehicle rather than having to beg/borrow/steal someone else's vehicle.

Quote:
This is a nitch motorcycle. It's lighter than anything with reasonable displacement. It just doesn't make sence to me to hang more junk on this machine. :o
You are not the center of the universe.  Your opinion, while valid for you, does not apply to everyone.  While you may feel the the Savage is a nitch motorcycle MY SAVAGE is my sole means of transportation.  I either ride, or someone else loses their cage for whatever time I am using it.  I ride.  I ride for pleasure.  I ride to work.  I ride to the store.  I ride on vacation.  I ride in heat.  I ride in cold.  I ride in sunshine.  I ride in rain.  I ride by day.  I ride by night.  I ride.  I don't DO CAGES if I can help it.  I don't like being in a cage, I don't like the loss of vision and control.  When I bring 20 or 30 pounds of gorceries home it is with the Bike.  When I carry tools and spares and camping gear and a week's worth of clothing it is on the Bike.  When I needed a couple of 10 foot long conduits for running the electricity to the pool deck I used the Bike.  Being able to haul 4'x8' plywood would be a plus.

I don't HAVE a truck or a car or another motorcycle.  I am married wirh children and cannot AFFORD another vehicle.  The Savage has to do everything I need to do with regard to vehicles.  If YOU feel I should not be using the Savage to haul my worthless junk around then YOU can buy me whatever YOU feel I should be using.

Otherwise I would appreciate it if you would get off my back and let us have a discussion of how to haul massive amounts of junk with the Savage.

The Savage is NOT just a toy -- contrary to your opinion.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 01/19/08 at 06:29:31

One of my options for after retirement income is to drive/deliver vehicles.  Pick up a motorhome at the factory and deliever to dealer/purchaser.  Sounds like fun.

Put a hitch on the Savage.  Haul a M/C trailer to the factory, hitch trailer to MH and haul the Savage to the point of delivery, haul the trailer home with the Savage.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/19/08 at 09:07:08

feelinjunky,

It sure is nice to have steel stock laying around in the garage, isn't it?

With your extensions, I think you are right.  You are not going to have much by way of flexing with that set-up...

By the way, what grade fasteners did you use to attach the brackets to the rack?  If anything, you might see the failure at the fastener over a period of time.  A standard zinc alloy or even stainless bolt might not be the best solution.  You may hve used stronger fasteners (but I can't tell from the pictures).... So if you did, never mind my ramblings... :P

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/19/08 at 09:11:28


4F4D47280 wrote:
Gees, Is it possible to mount a pickup truck box to this thing? Or maybe there might be a way to put a trailer hitch on this bike so you might be able to trail a camper, or even a boat.
Can't you just ride for enjoyment? Does the bike have to haul your worthless junk around? Does this bike have to be a pick-em-up-truck?
This is a nitch motorcycle. It's lighter than anything with reasonable displacement. It just doesn't make sence to me to hang more junk on this machine. :o


You just don't get it, do you?

My Savage is a REPLACEMENT for my SUV.  I would much rather get 50+ mpg in my daily driving than the 16 mpg (on a good day) that my Honda gets.

Since it is a REPLACEMENT, it needs to do EVERYTHING that I might have to do in a typical day.  That includes my errands, running my kids to practices or games and even a little pleasure riding for my self.

If I can use it as a 'pick-em-up-truck', I'm going to do so.

Like Paladin said earlier.  Unless you have something constructive to add to the discussion, SHUT UP.     :-X


Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by feelinjunky on 01/19/08 at 14:58:57

Skrapiron, I couldn't have said it better myself. Please STFU Geo!!! You have brought no constructive criticism to this thread.

I did reinforce the luggage rack fasteners with 1/4" steel brackets on top of the existing brackets in back of the passenger's seat for added support.

It does pay to have scrap steel laying around!! :)

EDIT: As for hauling "worthless junk" around, I can't be any different. My motorcycle is my PRIMARY mode of transportation (secondary = public transportation). Therefore I MUST accommodate it with everything I NEED. What's the point of a trunk in a car, FOR LUGGAGE!!! Same thing with the bike...please geo, don't make my respect for you hit rock bottom...

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by geo on 01/19/08 at 16:01:31

Wow! I really stirred you thin-skins up. ;D

And yes, I did add something to the thread. What about the trailer hitch idea? That allows you to sport ride or haul stuff. :)

Lighten up guys. 8-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SteveRocket1 on 01/19/08 at 17:52:04


4E7F727F7A77701E0 wrote:
One of my options for after retirement income is to drive/deliver vehicles.  Pick up a motorhome at the factory and deliever to dealer/purchaser.  Sounds like fun.

Put a hitch on the Savage.  Haul a M/C trailer to the factory, hitch trailer to MH and haul the Savage to the point of delivery, haul the trailer home with the Savage.

I believe that a lot of new vehicles were delivered in a similar fashion up to about the '60's. They drove the new vehicle to it's new owner and towed a trike behind it. When you got to your destination you unhitched the trike fired it up and rode home. Personally I think your idea is an excellent one.
As for me, My bike is my main form of transport and one of the first things I have added to my bikes is a luggage rack. I bungee my cheap box on the back and I have any wet weather gear, Lunch, tools or what ever inside. I like to think of my bikes as working machines that give me pleasure too.
Ride Safe and no snot rockets at the cagers please
Steve  

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by KwakNut on 01/19/08 at 18:07:37


7D7F751A0 wrote:
This is a nitch motorcycle. It's lighter than anything with reasonable displacement. It just doesn't make sence to me to hang more junk on this machine. :o
Well said that man!

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 01/19/08 at 20:19:08

Why do you two have to crap on this thread?  What IS your problem with using the bike as full time transportation, including hauling whatever needs to be hauled?

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by T Mack 1 on 01/20/08 at 09:35:34

I guess I'll chime in here since I'm an in-between viewpoint.  

Having the bike to go for a ride is indeed a must.  I do need to blow off steam every once in a while (10-12 hr work days  :P ).    Having it lite and un-encumbered on these times is a must.

But,  I use the bike to commute to work (GOT TO PAY BILLS  :( )  Since I also can "tele-commute" from home if the kid is home from school sick or has a snow day, I have to be able to carry the pack with the laptop.  So I converted and mounted a  semi-universal '70's rack.  (see below).  In the summer, I worry about having to put Sta-Bil in the truck's tank..... :)

The rack does come in handy for those small errands (any excuse to ride  ;D ).  Run to the stealership, a run to the hardware store for nuts & bolts.   Even used it to on a grocery store trip (one or two things).   I'm pretty sure for bigger trips I would use my pick-up, ('04 Chevy Colorado 4-dr with the best gas friendly rear-end I could order).

The bag Skrapiron posted is actually nice. Maybe a tad tall but still nice.  If you go for one of those summer all day rides with a bunch of friends,  it would be handy to have some soda-pop or water bottles in.  Maybe a sandwich or snacks too.  Many a time we stopped  for a stretch or a great view and the guys with the bigger bikes go into their hard cases and pull out all types of goodies.  The bag isn't too big ....(sorry Palidin, your looks great for the over-night camping trips, but I wouldn't use it for the grocery store trips or an all day fun ride).

T Mack

click file name for larger view

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 01/20/08 at 10:54:55


6F16765A58500A3B0 wrote:
.... I do need to blow off steam every once in a while (10-12 hr work days  :P ).    Having it lite and un-encumbered on these times is a must.....
Oh yeah!  The bags remove in under 10 seconds, the windshield about a minute.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Ed L. on 01/20/08 at 11:19:01

I don't know if this would work for others but to haul larger items I've used a window net picked up at a racecar flea market. All I did was slip bungee cords thru the netting and clip them on the shock towers and rear tail light towers. It works like the thin luggage nets you can buy from the stealership but it is a lot heavier. I can carry items as big as a case of 16oz tallboys or a medium sized cooler on the passenger seat with no problem. It gets stored in one of the saddle bags when not in use. Being cheap I don't have any plans to buy a luggage rack but am always looking for some donar tubing that might become one. A torch and an active imagination can be dangerous to anything made out of metal.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by feelinjunky on 01/20/08 at 20:32:18


1D2C212C2924234D0 wrote:
Why do you two have to crap on this thread?  What IS your problem with using the bike as full time transportation, including hauling whatever needs to be hauled?


First of all, you can't really haul anything with the savage. That was geo's bad idea. As for using the bike as full time transportation, I have no choice. Some of us don't have the luxury of owning a car and a motorcycle. I used to use a moped to go to work and school before I could scrape enough money to trade it in for a savage. I don't have a problem with using the bike as full time transportation. I've provided a couple of luggage ideas, which is what this thread iis about.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SavageWahine on 01/20/08 at 21:09:09

My next project is to make one of these!!!
http://www.bikersfriend.com/pages/saddlebag.htm

I already had something like that in mind when I found a black "leather" ottoman cushion (looks like a barrel) for 10 bucks.
I'm gonna take the foam out, and insert a hard plastic shell.
These guys gave me some good ideas!

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by 1st2know on 01/20/08 at 23:08:10

Interesting topic. I bought my LS650 to haul my bicycle around. I commute part of the way to work on the LS650, and the last 12 miles by bicycle. I picked the Savage partially because of the torque it puts out for a low price.  It hauls 30-40lb pretty well, with no probles on curves.

I'm also exploring putting a single wheel trailer on the back so I can fetch a few sheets of drywall or plywood from time to time. In that application, I would have to drive slow, but the Home Depot is only 4 miles away, and would be fun to haul about 4 sheets of drywall on the back of a motorcycle.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by old lady katie on 01/21/08 at 08:50:27

This is another reason why I like the bike and I like this forum. There aren't a lot of OEM snobs here. One of my favorite things in life is finding something and using it in a way that was not of its original purpose. Some great trunk ideas here.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 01/21/08 at 09:58:02


63697C616D6C697E080 wrote:
... There aren't a lot of OEM snobs here. ....
There is not a lot of OEM things available for the Savage.  Nor are there a lot of aftermarket parts specifically for the Savage.  Whatever we want we have to innovate, improvise, devise.  Whatever you want, it is quite likely someone else wanted and has come up with a solution.

There is a reason the Savage is into it's 21st year practically unchanged -- it is the little bike that can.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by geo on 01/22/08 at 22:04:17

I still say I lit up this thread.  ;D
The bike IS a toy, and has been invented to have fun with.
Enjoy!

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Rob on 01/23/08 at 05:26:16


3E3C36590 wrote:
I still say I lit up this thread.  ;D

If "lit up" is similar to kicking an ant mound with no constructive purpose, possibly.st



3E3C36590 wrote:
The bike IS a toy, and has been invented to have fun with.

For many LS650 owners the bike is absolutely not a toy; rather, it is a serious vehicle.  However, and more to the point, this thread was created to discuss possible ways to carry more cargo with the LS650 - not to be told not to bother.  While I'm sure others share your opinion of the bike, it is simply counterproductive to the discussion for which this thread was intended.  If you don't regard your LS650 as more than a toy and are not interested in possible methods of carrying more cargo with it, this thread is simply not for you.  In that case, please just avoid the thread and leave it to those who actually want to discuss such options.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/23/08 at 06:44:56


212329460 wrote:
I still say I lit up this thread.  ;D
The bike IS a toy, and has been invented to have fun with.
Enjoy!


Hey bone-head.

Borrowing your logic, I can say the same thing about your car, your computer and your TV.  You don't need ANY of them.  They're a luxury.  Not a necessity.  So lets not upgrade the PC, since its a toy.  Forget about adding any custom accessories to your car, its a toy.  Why don't you go and buy a 7" black and white TV while you're at it.  It a toy, invented to have fun with.

Do us all a favour.  Shut up....


Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Rob on 01/23/08 at 07:37:19

Let's all stay civil and afford each other some respect.  We all love our Savages, even if for different reasons/purposes.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by bill67 on 01/23/08 at 13:17:18

 I guess who ever can haul the most wins 8-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 01/23/08 at 13:42:05


6E766F7C6D746F72731D0 wrote:
...Borrowing your logic, I can say the same thing about your car, your computer and your TV.  ...  luxury.  Not a necessity.  So lets not upgrade ...  Forget about adding any custom accessories.....

Actually you got it backwards.  Our luxeries and toys we spend money on without regard to utility -- they are toys to be enjoyed, they do not have to earn their keep, they are not needed for daily use.  I can feed the family for a month on what dinner for two will cost me at Ruth's Chris. (http://www.ruthschris.com)

And to be honest, the vast majority of motorcycles are used as toys, even if they are not toys -- by those who enjoy motorcycling as recreation.  They ride for pleasure.  For them, motorcycles have no purpose other than playtime.  It is only a small minority that use the motorcycle for it's original purpose -- cheap transportation.

In 1903, William Harley and his friends Arthur and Walter Davidson launched the Harley-Davidson Motor Company. The bike had a quality engine, so it could prove itself in races, however, the company planned to manufacture it as a transport vehicle.  (click for link) (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blmotorcycle.htm)

The more I can haul with the Savage the less need I have for anything on four wheels.
Some people want to play on two wheels.  I just want to be on two wheels.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Bear_Rider on 01/23/08 at 16:01:45


312B3439363C2F393031363D580 wrote:
My next project is to make one of these!!!
http://www.bikersfriend.com/pages/saddlebag.htm

I already had something like that in mind when I found a black "leather" ottoman cushion (looks like a barrel) for 10 bucks.
I'm gonna take the foam out, and insert a hard plastic shell.
These guys gave me some good ideas!


See if you can find one of those Gott round water coolers they come in sizes from 2 to 10 gallons, are rigid plastic, and insulated. I saw an internet article some time back where someone used on for just such a container.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Rockin_John on 01/23/08 at 20:37:51


416662715C516A676671030 wrote:
[quote author=312B3439363C2F393031363D580 link=1199911736/30#44 date=1200892149]My next project is to make one of these!!!
http://www.bikersfriend.com/pages/saddlebag.htm

I already had something like that in mind when I found a black "leather" ottoman cushion (looks like a barrel) for 10 bucks.
I'm gonna take the foam out, and insert a hard plastic shell.
These guys gave me some good ideas!


See if you can find one of those Gott round water coolers they come in sizes from 2 to 10 gallons, are rigid plastic, and insulated. I saw an internet article some time back where someone used on for just such a container.[/quote]

Hey!!! I like that idea about as good as my black painted 5 gallon paint bucket (pictured earlier in the thread). And I already own a couple of the round-insulated water/drink coolers. I like their screw on tops better than the snap on top of the paint bucket. I wouldn't paint them black, but if the right size on the bike I'll still have travel storage; a backrest when riding; and unloaded I'll have a big water can for camp.  8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Rob on 01/24/08 at 09:16:31


182924292C2126480 wrote:
And to be honest, the vast majority of motorcycles are used as toys, even if they are not toys -- by those who enjoy motorcycling as recreation.  They ride for pleasure.  For them, motorcycles have no purpose other than playtime.  It is only a small minority that use the motorcycle for it's original purpose -- cheap transportation.

In 1903, William Harley and his friends Arthur and Walter Davidson launched the Harley-Davidson Motor Company. The bike had a quality engine, so it could prove itself in races, however, the company planned to manufacture it as a transport vehicle.  (click for link) (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blmotorcycle.htm)

The more I can haul with the Savage the less need I have for anything on four wheels.
Some people want to play on two wheels.  I just want to be on two wheels.

My usage is a hybrid recreation/utility version, as I suspect a few others' may be.  I ride for pleasure when I get the opportunity and I ride when conditions are suitable so that I can save on fuel costs and reduce wear and tear on my cage (hopefully prolonging its lifespan).  When weather is unsuitable (admittedly this determination is different for each of us) or if I require greater cargo/passenger capacity, I use the cage.  Improving the cargo capacity of the bike will enable me to use it more often for its utilitarian purpose.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by bill67 on 01/24/08 at 10:13:19

  I love driving cars, trucks,snowmobiles,and motorcycles,I use them for what they were designed for only, I was never much for playing games.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SavageWahine on 01/24/08 at 11:38:27


765155466B665D505146340 wrote:
[quote author=312B3439363C2F393031363D580 link=1199911736/30#44 date=1200892149]My next project is to make one of these!!!
http://www.bikersfriend.com/pages/saddlebag.htm

I already had something like that in mind when I found a black "leather" ottoman cushion (looks like a barrel) for 10 bucks.
I'm gonna take the foam out, and insert a hard plastic shell.
These guys gave me some good ideas!


See if you can find one of those Gott round water coolers they come in sizes from 2 to 10 gallons, are rigid plastic, and insulated. I saw an internet article some time back where someone used on for just such a container.[/quote]
I'll look for it! Thanks.
I just had another thought too, those refillable 5 gallon water bottles might be strong enough as well!

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by sunny on 01/24/08 at 12:06:59

i'm planning on adding the rectangular ammo cans to my ratbike this spring.
my goal is to be able to carry camping gear for two on it, with a passenger, and on a budget.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Bear_Rider on 01/24/08 at 14:05:45

Savage Wahine,

I couldn't find the original article, but I did find this:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1955/motorcycletext/vlxhome.html

Click on "backrest" for a picture of the finished product.

IIRC, the author described removing the nozzle and filling in the cavity with body putty, and he filled the are between the shells with epoxy(?) wherever he put a fastener. He also fabricated a simple latch for the lid to keep it from unscrewing.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by drharveys on 01/24/08 at 18:02:53

Getting back to the original posting --

Thanks for the photo skrapiron!  I've been looking for a rack bag that wasn't too big for the Savage but still holds enough stuff for errand running and general utility.  I ordered one of the Dowco overnight bags, and then needed another twenty bucks or so to qualify for free shipping, so I also ordered a fork bag.

Photos to follow after I get it on the bike.

BTW:  Sunday's forecast is for a high of 51 degrees F!  Definitely a riding day!   :D

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by skrapiron on 01/25/08 at 06:02:33

You're Welcome Dr....

(Ignoring the detractors)  I'm glad my good fortune could help you out as well.  

It's supposed to be back in the 50's here too.  I'm planning to ride to work on Monday.


Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by 1st2know on 01/26/08 at 19:07:45

Here's a story about a massage therapist who had  his Honda modified to haul his massage table from job to job:
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/article/articleview/105/1/18/

(I woulda just rigged a Savage motor to the table )

Cool thing about the work they did here - if he takes the  massage table off the bike, now he's got a pretty fast crotch rocket. Time to pay the bills? Put the table back on and keep 'er under 30.

With the crappy stock shocks on my Savage compressing my spine, maybe I should have this guy on my wing :-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SavageWahine on 01/27/08 at 00:53:53


032420331E1328252433410 wrote:
Savage Wahine,

I couldn't find the original article, but I did find this:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1955/motorcycletext/vlxhome.html

Click on "backrest" for a picture of the finished product.

IIRC, the author described removing the nozzle and filling in the cavity with body putty, and he filled the are between the shells with epoxy(?) wherever he put a fastener. He also fabricated a simple latch for the lid to keep it from unscrewing.

I'm gonna take a trip to town tomorrow and see what I can find!
Today I could have really used the extra storage. I ended up using the net instead.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SpeedyG on 01/27/08 at 08:35:29

If anyone only needs a little bit of storage you could do what I do from time to time.  I use a small magnetic tank bag, but I put it on the passgener seat and the magnets stick to the rear fender.  I like the bag better there than on the small tank.  Works great.

Colleen

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by bill67 on 01/27/08 at 09:41:21

  Sounds like a good idea :)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Lazy Old Rider on 01/27/08 at 10:51:31


266463257C797860170 wrote:
Here's a story about a massage therapist who had  his Honda modified to haul his massage table from job to job:
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/article/articleview/105/1/18/

(I woulda just rigged a Savage motor to the table )

Cool thing about the work they did here - if he takes the  massage table off the bike, now he's got a pretty fast crotch rocket. Time to pay the bills? Put the table back on and keep 'er under 30.

With the crappy stock shocks on my Savage compressing my spine, maybe I should have this guy on my wing :-)


When he puts that on the back he better watch out when he filters through traffic :o

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by jk on 01/28/08 at 11:30:52


6A5F484A721B181D2D0 wrote:
Now, that's more my style.  Painted gloss black, a couple ammo cans would be a perfect match with my vintage Honda rack :P


Like these?  :D

http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/01/28/bikepics-1164105-full.jpg

Picked 'em up this morning. Just need to figure out how exactly I'm going to mount them...

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by SavageWahine on 01/28/08 at 20:17:10

Good thing you don't live on Kauai, those things would be rust buckets in no time!

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Savage_Rob on 01/29/08 at 06:28:27

Been a lot of changes to the bike since then, but I used to have one mounted on the luggage rack.

http://savageriders.com/rob/images/Nadine%202005-10-02.jpg

I'll probably wind up going back to regular the trunk instead though.  Here it is back in September of 2004.

http://savageriders.com/rob/images/Nadine%202004-09-19%20004.jpg

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by govmule84 on 01/30/08 at 06:17:54

Dingding beer!  I haven't had one of those in ages...I wonder if I can get them here in Connecticut...

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by jk on 01/30/08 at 06:49:59

It's driving me absolutely nuts that I don't have time until next Monday to work on a solution to this challenge.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by drharveys on 02/02/08 at 13:55:54

Let's here it for FedEx Ground -- when it absolutely, positively has to get there eventually!  I know I kept hovering over the tracking link, but everything progressed more or less on schedule, even with a major snowstorm!

So, here's the fork bag I got -- almost free, since it raised the tab over the free ground shipping level:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Suzuki/DSC02409.jpg

And the Dowco Overnighter bag:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Suzuki/DSC02410.jpg

All together on the bike:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e204/drharveys/Suzuki/DSC02411.jpg

Now, once the SNOW in the background goes away, maybe I can ride the thing!

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 02/02/08 at 15:34:03

Tail bag looks very handy.  Looks like the hold down strap unsnaps from the bottom to snap on the top as a carry strap.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by drharveys on 02/02/08 at 20:42:58


0F3E333E3B36315F0 wrote:
Tail bag looks very handy.  Looks like the hold down strap unsnaps from the bottom to snap on the top as a carry strap.


Actually it comes with both a shoulder carry strap and a handle to clip on the D rings on top!

It's well made and looks like it will hold up to the sort of abuse I will give it.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by jk on 02/08/08 at 18:52:22

http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/02/08/bikepics-1176622-full.jpg

I got the cans mounted. More or less. The mounts are done, but I still need to pull them off and sandblast the whole thing yet...

http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/02/08/bikepics-1176620-full.jpg

http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/02/08/bikepics-1176621-full.jpg

It's a lot stouter than it looks in the pictures.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by 1st2know on 02/08/08 at 20:25:15

I love the look! It says "I have things and I'm going places" :-)

So, you have them mounted to your swing arm....you may not want to put all your eggs in those crates, unlesse you want them scrambled. Or you could pour gin and vermouth in them, and have a nice, shaken, martini when you arive at the party:-)

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by jk on 02/09/08 at 04:58:29

All I plan on putting in there are some clothes for my trip down to around Texas this May  :D I may or may not leave the cans on there atfterwards. I had come up with a way of mounting them to the frame but it was way too involved for the limited hardware I've got in my garage.


I need a welder...

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by 1st2know on 02/09/08 at 06:53:14


7B7A79647D7E7F2622110 wrote:
All I plan on putting in there are some clothes for my trip down to around Texas this May  :D

I need a welder...

Brilliant! On your way back, just add some water and 1/4  cup of laundry detergent and your clothes will be clean by the time you get back home:-)

Seriously, I do like the mounting, and yes, there would be cargo type constraints (no eggs, fine china or explosives) - but fer sure  clothes, spares, bottled water, 10 lb bag  of Skittles.....

I'll be spending the day looking at my swing arm to see if I can duplicate your success. I also need a welder - I have a the tool known as a welder, but I suck at welding; the welder I need is some dude who actually knows what they're doing.

I noiced  in your photo there is no muffler, I imagine the  cans would block or bump the stock muffler - what do you do with exaust with this setup?

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/08 at 08:32:46

Is that thru bolted or just tacked on?

I'd recommend thru bolting and going up a size or two.

Fatigue stress loves to attack welds.

And really, wouldn't recommend attaching it to the swing arm anyway.  As it will increase your unsprung weight and bumps will bite harder.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by jk on 02/09/08 at 08:44:00


22312627383533313A65540 wrote:
Is that thru bolted or just tacked on?

I'd recommend thru bolting and going up a size or two.

Fatigue stress loves to attack welds.

And really, wouldn't recommend attaching it to the swing arm anyway.  As it will increase your unsprung weight and bumps will bite harder.


It's bolted through the holes for the passenger foot pegs that I'm still trying to sell  ;) I used a 3/8 threaded rod, inserted in a pretty stout steel tube, with nuts and lock washers on each end. (Or it will rather, I've just got them half-@ssed right now since I need to take 'em off to paint)

The welding I wanted to do would have involved building a frame that would have mounted to the holes where the stock fender went.

I suppose I could just take it back to stock on the rear end and get some traditional saddle bags, but where's the fun in that?  :D

I was considering making it a hardtail and putting a sprung seat on it... But that's just a musing right now, no real consideration.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/08 at 10:26:30

You need to get all bending away from the threads, solid shaft should engage both ends of the supporting hole.  I know it's probably hard to do but much less chance of the bolt snaping in 2 thru the straight section then thru the threads.  If you can bolt thru and put the threads on the outside of the box would be the best situation.  Second best is threads at connection with the box and good top support to keep box from flexing outward.  The last thing you want is to have to go back pick up all your laundry, and put the washer back to together with all the hogs and biker babes watching.  "doin' your laundry sweetie?"  But on the bright side of it, hang a sign on the back 'bra's and tops washed for free while we ride!'   ;D

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by viper on 02/10/08 at 06:18:38

Just a note I recived an email from JCW. they have a good sized bag on sale about 20x14x? with a frame which they say folds unit comes with handles an wheels. It may fasten to sissybar. Mite be worth a look
Ride on
Viper

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Paladin. on 02/10/08 at 07:35:20

My American Tourister iLite carry-on (with wheels and collasping handle)  is 21" x 14.5" x 8" and attaches to the sissybar.

You can attach just about anything to the Savage. 

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Sandy Koocanusa on 04/27/08 at 18:10:59

Having read this thread through, I was inspired.  Lacking Paladin's creative genius and ability to work with metal, I went with the cooler idea.  I went to Walmart and started looking around, and here's what I came up with:

http://a447.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/60/m_b25912aa72add510183e0a625a20528e.jpg  http://a900.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/58/m_008f255389ebf4b8edfe3550d1c978e3.jpg  http://a641.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/m_9a9fae79181176d8f17fc894531f0560.jpg

5 gallon Igloo cooler...                  $18.88
Black Nylon stuff bag...                 $3.96
2 light duty lashing straps...           $6.62
Flat black spray paint for lid...       $0.96  (I hope this sticks, long-term)

It makes a great back rest, which has really helped me deal with the wind pressure on my chest.  I think I will stuff some kind of pad in the front, as the vibration through that hard plastic makes my back itch.  

Also, I took all the handles and cupholders and junk off the water cooler right there in the Walmart parking lot so I could bag it up and carry it home (take along a phillips).  They had a similar cooler with a screw-on lid, but the handles were molded into the shell.  The bag, when drawn tight, holds the lid on securely.

Thanks to all for the great idea.  I hope the photos will help alleviate any trepidation other newbies like me have about adding to their Savage.  It was easy, extremely inexpensive compared to factory-made motorcycle luggage that I looked at, and (I think) more versatile.  When removed from the bike and separated into its original components, I now have multiple useful items instead of one fancy trunk.  A laundry bag, water cooler, and tie-down straps.

That's enough out of me.


-Jason

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by Bear_Rider on 04/28/08 at 14:17:27

I read another article somewhere about someone who had done a similar thing, using a cooler with the screw-on lid. He ended up putting some sort of lock on the lid to keep it from unscrewing in flight. You might give that some thought.

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by rigidchop on 04/28/08 at 14:50:19

that cooler idea is exactly what i was looking for. now i'm gonna have to run to wal mart. i wonder how to mount it without a backrest?

Title: Re: Luggage option for the Savage
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/14/08 at 09:06:59

Wouldnt that be unsprung weight mounted to the swingarm? Is that approach likely to cause cracks in the swingarm? The recent Sidecar Experiences showed a swingarm with some reinforcements & there was mention of cracking from the passenger peg mount area. Maybe some reinforcement prior would be a good move, here, too..You guys decide, I dunno.

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