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Message started by xenotron on 12/30/07 at 06:47:43

Title: New member
Post by xenotron on 12/30/07 at 06:47:43

Hi Guys, Just sayin hello :) thought I would join your forum as I intend to get a savage for the Mrs.

I was wondering if anyone could answer a question for me? I have been given information that the power output is under the 33 BHP limit so can be riden on the A2 restricted licence, but lookin in the used bike guide it says its 40BHP. Would anyone know who is right?

Thanks Guys
John

Title: Re: New member
Post by Savage_Greg on 12/30/07 at 07:18:00

54494243585E4342192C0 wrote:

John, I have no idea what an A2 license is...in some states the restriction is around 5 HP for a difference between scooter and motorcycle. Either way, the LS650 is powerful enough to be considered more than just a beginner bike...which sounds like the issue with your spouse. Therefore, in the long run it would be best that you consider it a "full size bike" and get the spouse trained and insured for a regular license. After all, it is capable of speeds above 90 mph.

As for horsepower, the 33 BHP figure is more accurate.

Title: Re: New member
Post by Reelthing on 12/30/07 at 08:56:47

The A2 looks to be a UK mid-range licn

http://www.phmotorcycles.co.uk/training-faq.html

I believe to be under the 33bhp requirement some UK bikes have a couple of extra parts to their carb - one is an electronic gizmo on the side of the carb - limits the time'n advance in lower gears or some such

the other is more straight forward - the carb diaphram has a plastic cylinder that restricts it's lift - so you can never really go WOT

and 135 mainjet stock instead of the 145

hopefully some UK'rs will chime in to correct my misinformation ;)

Title: Re: New member
Post by Savage_Greg on 12/30/07 at 09:23:44

4572727B637F7E7970170 wrote:

Dang it...I think that I just learned something. The carb difference make more sense now.

How about it Mr. KLX650?

Title: Re: New member
Post by Max_Morley on 12/30/07 at 09:41:57

I seem to recollect from the early days of Bert's board that German bikes had a restrictor spacer of some kind to keep the Savage at 25 HP for some of their license restrictions. Guess I understood it to just be a restriction plate gasket in the intake area, easy to remove when you graduated to the next level of bike. Max

Title: Re: New member
Post by Paladin. on 12/30/07 at 09:53:25

FYI -- the A2 license is a United Kingdom thing. The A license, for any engine size, is limited to those over 20. For teens and tweens the limit is 33 hp with the A2 license. (Those over 20 could get an A2 license also if they are comfortable with the HP restriction. Heh -- I've driven cars with less!)

Doesn't matter as to the rated HP, as with the A2 license you could, in theory, take a Hayabusa, restrict it to 33 hp, and it would be legal. So even if the Savage you get is an older one with a higher HP rating you could restrict it down to 33.

As Greg noted, 33 hp is more likely than 40. While I could not find any authorative information, 30-33 hp is about what most claim for a Stock LS650. What the HP is actually doesn't matter -- it is what HP is claimed for it by the authorities.

I'd go for it -- at worst they'll make you restrict it.

Title: Re: New member
Post by Dave48 on 12/30/07 at 10:04:22

As far as I can tell, ALL year's Savages quoted at below 33hp. The last new ones on sale here in UK (Boulevards) were/are listed as 31hp. My '89 sure doesn't put out anywhere near 40.
FWIW, I would reckon the Savage is a good choice for a UK restricted licence holder - easy to ride, light and predictable. With abilities restricted by age (altho' my long held licence is "full"), I find it a very pleasant bike!
And welcome.

Title: Re: New member
Post by bill67 on 12/30/07 at 15:11:21

The
boulevards are learner so stock they are a little less power.

Title: Re: New member
Post by T Mack 1 on 12/30/07 at 19:55:50

Here's a Spec page. Looks like 30 to 31 hp depending on year.

http://www.suzukicycles.org/Savage/LS650-Savage.shtml

Title: Re: New member
Post by klx650sm2002 on 12/30/07 at 23:27:50

When I was learning (in uk) we were restricted to 12bhp 125's which I had and crashed so I put a bankable sidecar on the 350 I'd bought for when I had passed my test (you could learn on a Z 1300 if you had a sidecar back then) and got my licence that way.
Clive W :)

Title: Re: New member
Post by Savage_Greg on 12/31/07 at 07:14:10

So the restricted carbs are actually the same as the regular BS40? The parts are basically interchangeable? Are the jets the same too?

Title: Re: New member
Post by xenotron on 12/31/07 at 10:29:21

Thanks very much for the info guys :) its very much appreciated.

I must oppologise for not introducing myself in the corrrect part of the forum, I never saw that bit lol :D

Look forward to chattin to some of you soon

Title: Re: New member
Post by Trippah on 12/31/07 at 19:22:04

Welcome and we all hope your mrs enjoys the bike. Usually, this get the wife her own ride suggests that yu also have a motorcycle. Being a nosey lot, what do you ride, if you care to divulge the info :D.

Title: Re: New member
Post by Max_Morley on 12/31/07 at 21:54:38

Greg asked,"So the restricted carbs are actually the same as the regular BS40? The parts are basically interchangeable? Are the jets the same too?"

My understanding is that it is an easily removed plate? maybe just the gasket at the end of the intake that essentially chokes down the air/fuel flow to the required HP, that can be removed when your license gets upped. Remember in Germany they have a TUV vehicle inspection that is very technical and specific that they require every year I as I remember. I used to get mine (car) done by the AAFES contractor which was next to the class 6 (liquor) store. A jug slipped in the frame rails was found as the car was inspected in the pit and all passed with ease. US Green plates. The regular West Germany (at the time) inspection was to insure the vehicle was drivable for the next year? they checked for body rust/rot, tire tread depth, exhaust had to be stock at that time, glass, etc. Was expensive as was their insurance and driver training program. In the little village we lived in they had problems with Shari having her own car and gadding about at will, and I had 2 and a company car all parked at home (+ hers) and the landlord made me move some to work as they were causing comments. Max

Title: Re: New member
Post by xenotron on 01/01/08 at 03:44:08

00263D2424353C540 wrote:

I have a 1991 Yamaha FJ1200, I know its old but I like it and I cant find anything to match it unless I spend mega bucks. Cost me £1500 four years ago and its only cost me tyres and a battery in all that time. Me & the Mrs like to go to as many rallies as possible and I can get her and all the camping gear on it and still got room for more stuff, and it still goes like sh*t of a stick fully loaded.

I must admit though, I cant wait for her to get this cruiser so I can have a play on it, you never know, it may convert me to the cruiser style bike :)

Title: Re: New member
Post by Mr 650 on 01/01/08 at 06:56:55

Always wanted one of those.

Title: Re: New member
Post by xenotron on 01/07/08 at 13:33:13

Ok guys we have done the deed and just bought her the bike, 31 BHP, 1997 model in red, its being delivered on Saturday :-) and would you believe the insurance is less than her Yamaha SR125, dunno how that works but we not gonna argue about it.

John

Title: Re: New member
Post by Paladin. on 01/07/08 at 13:51:28

Insurance is a risk pool. The pool of Savages is very low risk for crashing or being stolen.

Title: Re: New member
Post by demin on 01/07/08 at 14:48:45

Question:Everybody calls it a beginners bike.But so low on crash statistics.Are the people that buy Savages that good of beginners? ;D

Title: Re: New member
Post by Paladin. on 01/07/08 at 15:05:29

Yes. The bad beginners buy a GSX-R600 or the equivalent.

Not to mention that besides being a good beginner's bike, it is a fabulous city/country bike for those us us who do not need to be able to do triple the speed limit.

Title: Re: New member
Post by T Mack 1 on 01/08/08 at 19:55:26

22 years basically unchanged..... does say something.