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Title: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/21/07 at 07:13:42 Hi I'm about ready to do the carb mod but have questions. Where can I get the different size spacers? Do I buy a kit somewhere? What size are those screws that everyone complains about? I would like to have some new ones on hand to replace the old ones? What size drill bit for plug removal? What size jets do I have now on an 06 s40 (#145??)? I will probably be putting on a cone filter and sportster muffler later does this mean I will need to rejet the main? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/21/07 at 07:23:52 Do you have a manual? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/21/07 at 07:28:26 Uhhh, NO. Should I get one? Which do you recommend? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by bill67 on 11/21/07 at 07:52:03 clymer manual is all you need. Use 3/16 drill bit ,drill in 1/8 inch.Put sheet metal screw in and pull out with a visegrip. 145 main jet is stock. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/21/07 at 08:21:47 Is this the correct manual? My bike is an 06. http://www.itshopmanuals.com/Book.aspx?bid=881&title=Suzuki+LS650+Savage%2c+1986-2004 |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by bill67 on 11/21/07 at 08:47:20 Yes thats it.get it |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/21/07 at 09:11:47 Ok, I'm orderiting it now. Can I get a carb kit with the jets and spacers somewhere? Does anyone know the size of the screws that commonly get damaged? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Hardly on 11/21/07 at 09:46:14 Howdy Back Joe: May I humbly suggest, as one newby to another, that you use the search function. It is one of the options above. All of the info you are looking for has been posted and is here. It will be worth your time to do some back reading on each of the forum topics. For more specific advice on jet selection you might want to add the elevation at your locale, and any other mods you have planned. Is your goal in carb mods to reduce back fires? improve power? or? I might also suggest the Thumper CD offered at the top of this forum as a companion to the Clymer's manual. The CD offers color photos in much greater detail then the manual. Mine is on my Christmas list. My bike is a '95 LS, with carb mods, A Jardine muffler (not), new Metzlers, An iridium sparkplug, a magnetic drain plug- all with input and advice from this forum Seat mods, Progressive shocks and the Tkat fork brace are next on the list. Owning a Savage is a journey in many ways. And I'm lovin' the trip Adios, David |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/21/07 at 10:40:24 Yea, Hardly, I did that. I found a lot about the carb mod but it didn't answer all of my questions though. Besides, I'm lazy. If people don't want to repeat the same information maybe they can point me to some previous posts, that answer my questions. Oh, and most of my riding will be under 1,000 ft unless I figure out a way to put wings on my bike. ;D And my goal is for "MORE POWER". If it stops backfiring that will be a plus. Thanks, ~Joe |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by LANCER on 11/21/07 at 13:07:13 Quote:
AAARRGGHHHH ! ! OH YEA ;D |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/21/07 at 13:40:06 joeh100 wrote:
You gotta remember something about asking questions and searching posts for the information you want. Hardly, has a very valid point. First, many people have gone through a lot of trouble on this forum to post information. They have created extensive topics with photos in the tech section. That takes a lot of time to do. It might take time to find it, but it is there. Second, think about this...the membership on this site has more than doubled this last year alone. Over 10K now. Some members don't have bikes and leave, but most who stay, have a Savage40. They all have the same bike, with the same parts and the same problems. That means that they ask the same questions...over and over and over and over. Sometimes the questions are "newbie related" and sometimes they are seasonal issues like using the choke. What you don't realize is that your bike and your interests just are not unique at all. I've been in here over 4 years, and I can't even count how many times I've heard your questions. Third, if you are lazy, then why shouldn't everyone else just act the same as you? Right? In truth, most members aren't lazy and they are willing to help. It just would be easier if new members would try to find their own answers to old questions. After all, we can tell you what to do, but we can't turn the wrench for you. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by vtail on 11/21/07 at 13:57:27 joeh100 wrote:
Remove spacer alltogether, stick in 152.5 main jet. That should work. You can always change back or forth, but I'll bet it"ll run great :) |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Ed_L. on 11/21/07 at 18:28:27 Ditto on the 152.5 main, seems to work best with the sporty muffler. For a bit more growl with the exhaust try drilling a 3/8 inch hole in the sporty muffler baffle. Removing the spacer in the carb might make the bike run rich on the bottom end, try one or two small washers in place of the spacer, I think I used two #4 washers on my carb. Aim for around 1/2 the spacer thickness. To get the carb screws out after stripping out the philip heads take a file and flat side the screw heads so you can get ahold of them with a small pair of vice grips. There is a lot more info using the search function, luck and have fun with it |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/21/07 at 20:46:23 I've already searched and read the tech section and it tells me how to do the mod. That is great, but I can't find the size of those darn screws on the search. Your going to make me pull the carb, bugger the screws and then have to go to the store and match them aren't you. I have to go a long way to get stuff like that, and I may have already downed a beer or 2 before I leave. Do you guys want me out drinking and driving? It would be nice to already have it on hand. Can't someone just give me a hint where to look. I'm still not clear on where to get the different size spacers either, I did find the dynojet kit but I didn't see any spacers in it. If you could add this stuff to the tech section it would be nice. SavageGreg, I was just kidding. I'm really not all that lazy. But I don't think it would hurt someone to come over and turn the wrench for me. If you guys don't want to help, that's fine. I'm going to figure out how to add that missing cylinder to my bike. If you see me riding around on my V-twin 1300 Savage don't bother asking me how to do the "Double Cylinder Mod", because I'm not telling. I'm going to do a full write up on the procedure with pictures and everything. Then I'm going to bury it. Bury it with a shovel. Then bury the shovel. When you ask me where it is, I'm going to tell you to search for it. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/22/07 at 05:51:50 Grow up. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by LANCER on 11/22/07 at 06:41:18 Quality time at the hardware store ... fun stuff ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by thumperclone on 11/22/07 at 06:47:12 joeh100 wrote:
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/22/07 at 06:59:43 LANCER wrote:
I do enjoy looking through all the bins. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/22/07 at 07:01:16 thumperclone wrote:
http://a1061.g.akamai.net/7/1061/5412/home/www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/287510.jpg |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Trippah on 11/22/07 at 07:09:57 Hi Joeh100- welcome to the madness. Its not that we don't want to help, it's just that full cabin fever hasn't set in accross the land. Not to question your goal too much, but making a twin by mating two singles sounds like fun but doesn't it get away from the simplicity of the single, or does it just double the simplicity. To much eggnogg already to figure this one out. :D |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by blues40 on 11/22/07 at 07:38:44 I tried to post an hour ago, but my ISP is having the outs again! The little screws in top of carb are 5mm x .8 x 10 or 12mm long. I buggered up two of mine due to not having a proper phillips head for my little hammer impact tool. The socket head cap screws would be the easiest to install and remove, but hard to find in chrome, maybe stainless, but be careful and don't over tighten. The 152.5 main is a huge improvement, I also just removed about half the thickness of the little plastic washer on the needle. Much better throttle response from blipping. I removed the plug with a little 1/8" drill and a sheetrock screw popped it right out. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/22/07 at 08:16:21 Quote:
I will as soon as I can afford to step up to a "big boy" bike. Until then I'm gonna hang out on this forum with you grumpy old men. Quote:
Thanks blues40, I'll tell you where to dig. ;D I'll be getting those screws today and some blue star ointment for my diaper rash. :-[ Trippah, of course it defeats the point, but I've got to show some of these grumpy old men up, don't I. Oh yea I've got 2 links for you guys. Cause I know why your so grumpy. 1: http://www.depend.com/products/individual/guards.asp 2: http://www.viagra.com/content/index.jsp?setShowOn=../content/index.jsp&setShowHighlightOn=../content/index.jsp Now I'm gonna run and hide! |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/22/07 at 08:25:00 Gonna take alot more than that to show up any of us "grumpy old men". Some day, you might be just as good. At least you're learning, and that was the whole point. PS - there is a topic that will teach you how to post your images too. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/22/07 at 09:13:05 I've got an image for ya... http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/Motorbiker_photos/NewsPics/oldNewsPics2/Mooning.jpg What kinda MC is that? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/22/07 at 09:24:04 Looks like diaper rash to me :P |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by T140V on 11/22/07 at 09:39:16 Diaphragm screw's are M5 x 10 pitch , size .8 Hold down screws that hold the needle in are M3 x 6 pitch size .5 an impact driver is required for removal of all screw's. I suggest socket head cap screw's {Allen Head} so it will be easier to pull apart next time. 3/16Th's" drill for the plug and it will drill out fast so be careful. I removed the spacer all together and it runs really good. I think you'll be OK with the results and it won't cost you but a few dollars at the hardware store. My "07" comes with a #145 main { I modified this part of the post for corrections}according to the Suzuki manual and I didn't replace it. When you pull the tank off give it a good tug backwards and undo the wire to the relay just under the tank. Prop the tank up with a piece of wood then loosen the clamps on the crab if you can't get to the cover screw's properly. That way you can line them up with the impact driver. I can't tell you what size Phillips head to use but make sure it fills in the cross on top of the screw's. When I removed the hold down screw's for the needle I use a 3"x1/4" extension with a socket that held the Phillips screw driver head. I then held the slider upside down and tapped the driver on the floor to get the screw's out. You have to hold it very straight in your hand and protect the aluminum slider from getting dinged up. They came out really easy with just a light tap even though I had already chewed them up with a screwdriver. I hope that answers all your questions joeh100. It should be fun . |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by demin on 11/22/07 at 10:49:26 All you newbies don't let Greg bother you,He is one of the biggest helps on this site,very smart about bikes.It's just everytime a newbie comes on here they ask the same questions.Most are very simply answered by looking in the tech section.The first thing you need to do after buying your bike is buy a manual.Clymer's whatever it will answer alot of questions.If you try something and get stuck there are alot of smart people willing to help you here.In short there is help but you have to try to help yourself.Kinda like life. ;) THIS IS NOT TO PICK ON OR OFFEND ANYONE OR TO BE SMARTA$$ sorry didn't mean to highjack thread. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/22/07 at 11:06:35 demin wrote:
Exactly! To know me is to love me. Just read my post in the "Introduce Yourself" topic in the Cafe... ...and then start taking that carb apart. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/22/07 at 11:23:00 Quote:
Ahh...Touché. Well, you gotta let that stuff air out. You had to think about that replay didn't you. I think you were a little P'd off when you made the baggy britches reply ;D Quote:
Thanks T140V. This should really be added to the tech section. I never found it by searching. Listen, I know the routine. I visit some boards where I am the expert. If I don't want to answer something I just don't answer. I don't write an essay telling someone to search and give them hints, or tease them. You could hurt someone's feelings if your not careful. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/22/07 at 12:18:40 joeh100 wrote:
Anytime someone says what someone doesn't want to hear, it becomes something else. It can be the absolute truth, but if it isn't sweetened with a heavy layer of PC, it becomes an essay or a tirade or a rant or a lecture. That's the standard liberal protocol Hints? There is nothing wrong with making someone think. I'm not gonna sp00n feed anyone and this isn't a nursery. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/22/07 at 12:49:47 Quote:
I would rather hear a comment like that than read an essay. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by blues40 on 11/22/07 at 15:36:20 I think the bike was a bultaco in the picture. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by thumperclone on 11/22/07 at 20:45:13 imn gettin a torque flash back!! |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/23/07 at 06:49:13 T140V Quote:
I think the clymer manual says #145 but it only goes up to 04 and my bike is an 06. Is that manual for an 07 only or does it mention the jet size for an 06? Does anyone know for sure what size is in an 06? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by bill67 on 11/23/07 at 07:20:19 I have a 06 it had a 145 in it |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/23/07 at 07:29:22 Thanks, Bill. That should be my answer unless your bike was made for CA. It wasn't was it? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by bill67 on 11/23/07 at 07:55:55 No illinois |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Savage_Greg on 11/23/07 at 08:04:49 joeh100 wrote:
Of course, hard to read more than one sentence. Maybe if you weren't so lazy and whiny, you'd have realized that your carb is not any different than any other non-CA model. You might have read this "hard to find" topic in the Tech section, too. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1098869040 |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by joeh100 on 11/23/07 at 14:54:46 It wasn't that hard to find. It didn't help any either. It doesn't mention the jet size for anything after 04. T140V said his is a #155 and his bike is an 07. It doesn't mention the size of those screws either. The tech section needs updating. Just making sure Bill67 didn't get his bike from CA. Thanks a lot to the people that helped. Hey... That Greg guy is an A$$ Hole. ;D ;D ;D If he wasn't going to help he really should have kept his mouth shut. ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Sarge on 11/23/07 at 16:39:13 From my experience the jet size for CA models is the SAME as non CA models. I performed the carb mods on my original stock 2003 CA model and found the original jet to be a 145. The carb specs in the tech section and the data in the Suzuki manual contradict my finding and show the jet size is smaller for CA carbs. Just curious, has anyone else on the forum opened up a stock CA model carb and noted the jet size?? |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by vtail on 11/23/07 at 17:35:58 Come on guys, No name calling. Greg probably forgot more about the Savage than we'll ever know. That doesn't mean that you can't teach an old dog (no pun intended ;)) a new trick. Stay open-minded. Just put in a 152.5 jet and they'll all run fine. ;) |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Reelthing on 11/23/07 at 18:09:15 joeh100 wrote:
So lazy and runs off at the mouth, I guess we’ll wait for the vast contributions. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by verslagen1 on 11/23/07 at 18:59:54 joeh100 wrote:
155 certainly isn't stock. Volenteering? Yes, Greg says what he thinks and has very little tolerance for people wanting it handed to them with a pretty little bow on it. Shoot, I got one his footprints during a mental lapse too. So where it proudly. ;D |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Hell, Billy on 11/23/07 at 19:10:41 I`m gonna say about a `56 Matchless G80, judging by the jampot shocks and the alloy everywhere...much like an AJS...a classic thumper. But I could be wrong. Don`t we just love the Holiday spirit? Brings out the best in all of us. Shoulda heard all the Grumpy Ol` Men beotching about the Gumint after we wiped out the bird. B |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by T140V on 11/23/07 at 23:15:15 joeh100; My manual is for an "06" but I gave you what it says is the "87" model with a #155 main. Sorry for the confusion it's a #145 main in 2006. The dealer didn't have an "07" manual at the time. I guess that's why my bike runs OK and not perfect. I think I'll buy a bigger main now. |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by Brewbrother on 11/24/07 at 15:29:01 ;D funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh. That two day marathon of christmas shopping required a hearty belly laugh followed by several beers. ;D |
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Title: Re: Carb Mod Post by TVR on 11/27/07 at 17:33:52 taint very polite in here 8) What was that room that got deleted a while back? Can't seem to recall. |
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