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Message started by brtool on 11/04/07 at 12:18:20

Title: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by brtool on 11/04/07 at 12:18:20

My savage has 19,000 miles on it I see speedometers on e bay with 22,000 miles on but never any more what is the normal life of the savage? Without major surgery

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by forrest on 11/04/07 at 12:43:33

I'd say you see lower mileage Savages/S40s because it is a great starter bike and eventually many folks move one to the v twins.  
As far as how many miles can you get on the bike?  Kinds depends on how you take care of it and, hate to say it, the luck of mechanics; i.e. someitme expensive sh&% just breaks.

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by max on 11/04/07 at 14:27:37

Forrest, I'm just lookin at your signature there, and the whole thing about the saying "going to hell in a handbasket" is something I don't understand.  It has mystified me for years now. Maybe its because I'm a kiwi, maybe its simply because I'm dense, but I don't get it.  Could you, or anyone else, please explain what that saying is all about, if anything?
Taa.

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by verslagen1 on 11/04/07 at 14:50:48

I guess it depends on what you call major.

Cam chain adjuster needs looking after between 10 and 20K.  This I would call minor.  If this gets neglected, then the work is major for sure.

The chain itself may need replacing depending how you decide to fix it.  This to me is bordering major, but still minor.

Due to the low cost of this bike, it's easy just to say it's not worth fixing.  So, it'll sit around until they finally get rid of it.  And all bikes are worth more in pieces.

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Starlifter on 11/05/07 at 19:11:21

Welcome to the board Max, going to hell in a handbasket is an old and commonly used American expression that means everything is going to Hell.
See below for some insight into this saying.

GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET
[Q] From Brian Walker: “Can you please tell me anything about the origin of the phrase going to hell in a handbasket?”

[A] This is a weird one. It’s a fairly common American expression, known for much of the twentieth century. But it’s one about which almost no information exists, at least in the two dozen or so reference books I’ve consulted. William and Mary Morris, in their Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins, confess to the same difficulty. A handbasket is just a basket to be carried in the hand (my thanks to the Oxford English Dictionary for that gem of definition). The Dictionary of American Regional English records to go to heaven in a handbasket rather earlier than the alternative, which doesn’t appear in print until the 1940s (Walt Quader tells me that Burton Stevenson included a citation in his Home Book of Proverbs, Maxims and Familiar Phrases from Bayard Kendrick’s The Odor of Violets, published in 1941). But DARE quotes a related expression from 1714: “A committee brought in something about Piscataqua. Govr said he would give his head in a Handbasket as soon as he would pass it”, which suggests that it, or at least phrases like it, have been around in the spoken language for a long time. For example, there’s an even older expression, to go to heaven in a wheelbarrow, recorded as early as 1629, which also meant “to go to hell”. I can only assume that the alliteration of the hs has had a lot to do with the success of the various phrases, and that perhaps handbasket suggests something easily and speedily done.



Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/07 at 06:38:55

I have considered as many colloquial ( Is that the right word?) phrases as I have heard, Rolling stone gathers no moss, People in glass houses, throwing stones, etc etc & figured I understood the meaning, but This one has always left me wondering. I have noi idea if being in a handbasket speeds or slows the trip. Or why being in a handbasket has any effect on destination or speed. I have often wondered who may have placed the object taking the trip into the basket & I wonder who is carrying it. I don't know if the destination is final for the carrier of the basket or if whoever is hauling the basket will simply deliver contents thereof to the Devil & leave With the basket or if he will leave the basket or if he will be forced to stay with the basket.  I kinda think this whole thread is going to hell in a handbasket, whatever that means.



Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Savage_Greg on 11/06/07 at 07:00:36

In poetry, I believe there is a term that refers to the use of the 2 H's in the phrase, "Going to Hell in a Handbasket".  I don't know if that is relevant to the discussion though.

But since I'm totally lost, I'll just agree.  Yes, you can get more miles on your bike, than you would if you were in a handbasket!

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/06/07 at 08:01:28

Okay, back to yoiur topic. I saw a very tired looking Savage in a Wal-Mart parking lot. I can't remember what the mileage on the odometer was, but I am sure it was over 80,000, because I remember being shocked at how far it had gone. It did not look to have been well cared for, ragged seat, faded paint,but not bent that I noticed. I saw it there a few times, so it was likely an employees ride.
But, if a man made it, it's gonna break. How often? How bad? Life's a crap shoot, ya pays yer money & ya takes yer chances. Good luck!  

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by serenity3743 on 11/06/07 at 08:24:27

Hey JOG. I'm kinda new to this site, but I've been riding my 2000 Savage since September 2001, started with 632 miles on it, just turned over 52,500. The original motor was still in it when I started having problems at 51,000; tried to do a rebuild but never could get everything right, so I put a salvage 2002 engine in it (2092 miles) and I'm back in the saddle. I never did anything to the original motor except routine maintenance and adjustments. After reading a lot of the posts here, I think my problem was the cam chain adjuster, but I didn't know it at the time. Hope this gives you something to go on.

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by skatnbnc on 11/06/07 at 08:53:24


max wrote:
Forrest, I'm just lookin at your signature there, and the whole thing about the saying "going to hell in a handbasket" is something I don't understand.  It has mystified me for years now. Maybe its because I'm a kiwi, maybe its simply because I'm dense, but I don't get it.  Could you, or anyone else, please explain what that saying is all about, if anything?
Taa.


Why you all did not just ask the 18th century person is beyond me.  ;)

The handbasket is a commonly used utensil by women going to market as far back as Egytian times.  Goods carried to market where what the woman (or man) had made at home and planned to sell or trade for market goods.

Common items were mostly inert things such as eggs, candles, yarn, thread, fabric, vegetables or shellfish. However, there were also live animals such as chickens, baby pigs and lambs transported via handbasket. (Some large enough to look like a big cage, but still hand carried, thus the name).

If you were the piglet, you were not coming back home alive. And where you were going to end up was in the flames.
Replace the animal with a doomed person, results in the reference, "going to h3ll in a handbasket."

Respectfully, Your Servant Sirs,
skatnbnc

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Savage_Greg on 11/06/07 at 09:19:03


skatnbnc wrote:


Why you all did not just ask the 18th century person is beyond me.  ;)

The handbasket is a commonly used utensil by women going to market as far back as Egytian times.  Goods carried to market where what the woman (or man) had made at home and planned to sell or trade for market goods.

Common items were mostly inert things such as eggs, candles, yarn, thread, fabric, vegetables or shellfish. However, there were also live animals such as chickens, baby pigs and lambs transported via handbasket. (Some large enough to look like a big cage, but still hand carried, thus the name).

If you were the piglet, you were not coming back home alive. And where you were going to end up was in the flames.
Replace the animal with a doomed person, results in the reference, "going to h3ll in a handbasket."

Respectfully, Your Servant Sirs,
skatnbnc

Once again, this proves that the American education system is the best on Earth...

Who would ever have guessed that eggs were inert?  They never seem that way when I eat them :P

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by verslagen1 on 11/06/07 at 09:44:38


skatnbnc wrote:


Why you all did not just ask the 18th century person is beyond me.  ;)
...
Replace the animal with a doomed person, results in the reference, "going to h3ll in a handbasket."


A form of capitol punishment was to be left in a cage till you rotted.  Some of them were quite small.  And most in them definitely went to he!!

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by youzguyz on 11/06/07 at 09:53:49


skatnbnc wrote:


Why you all did not just ask the 18th century person is beyond me.  ;)
...
Respectfully, Your Servant Sirs,
skatnbnc


You sure don't look that old, Ma'am!  :P

(But I probably do  ::) )



Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by skatnbnc on 11/06/07 at 10:15:30


skatnbnc wrote:

If you were the piglet, you were not coming back home alive. And where you were going to end up was in the flames.
Replace the animal with a doomed person, results in the reference, "going to h3ll in a handbasket."
Respectfully, Your Servant Sirs,
skatnbnc

I forgot to add that if you are the person in the aforementioned handbasket, you don't really have a choice about where you are going, (and the destination doesn't look good) which is what the phrase is sometimes referring to when used in the current venacular.

Thanks Oldfeller; it's all about staying out of the sun!  ;)

And Greg, I was not educated in the states, which may explain a few things... ;D

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Savage_Greg on 11/06/07 at 12:11:11

Chances are that if you, as a person, actually fit in the handbasket, then one must consider that the person carrying the handbasket is big enough to beat the hell out of you too.

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by govmule84 on 11/06/07 at 19:33:14

Greg...I think the term you speak of is "alliteration".

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Mr 650 on 11/06/07 at 19:43:35

Thus, if you ride a Savage for more than 2 hours , your butt goes to hell in a handbasket ???

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Savage_Greg on 11/07/07 at 07:30:03


govmule84 wrote:
Greg...I think the term you speak of is "alliteration".

THAT'S IT...I knew that I learned that even though I failed the class.  (Maybe I should retake the final) :P

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Savage_Greg on 11/07/07 at 07:31:25


Mr 650 wrote:
Thus, if you ride a Savage for more than 2 hours , your butt goes to hell in a handbasket ???


So, then the logical conclusion is that the Savage seat IS a handbasket.


Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by vtail on 11/07/07 at 08:25:10

What basket? Thought we're talking about life-expectancy of a Savage. My 2 cents; As long as you replace the parts that brake or are about to brake, FOREVER! ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Savage_Greg on 11/07/07 at 09:29:51


vtail wrote:
What basket? Thought we're talking about life-expectancy of a Savage. My 2 cents; As long as you replace the parts that brake or are about to brake, FOREVER! ;D ;D ;D

Is THAT what we were discussing ???


Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by forrest on 11/07/07 at 09:33:45

Vtail, refer to the 3rd post here.  

And finally, Max,  to answer your question myself................... um, yeah, what they said.  ;)

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by rigidchop on 11/08/07 at 13:30:13

most older bikes i have found have had about 15000 miles on them non running. most of these bikes had simple fix carb problems. its not rare to find a good cheap bike needing simple repairs because the previous owner tried to do it themselves and messed it up or decided that it wasn't worth fixing. properly maintained any bike should last at least as long as a car.

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by cookiemonster on 11/08/07 at 18:21:36

My 2000 Savage has 22087 on it still runs great. No major problems just tires and brakes.  As for the seat being a basket....a basket would be more comfy!!!

Title: Re: How many miles can I get on my bike
Post by Kropatchek on 11/09/07 at 01:03:47

I bought my 93  3 years ago with 32K Km. Drove it for 12K, makes 44K
Last year I fitted and engine with 13K in this frame.
So now I have and engine with 17K and a frame with 48K. Go, figure!
As said before : use and maintain the bike properly and it will last at least a lifetime.

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