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Title: dead on the road Post by Oldfeller2 on 10/14/07 at 11:45:55 Well, sh-t happens. I have a blown fuse -- was starting the engine and got headlight shine and a click and part of a starter whine -- then it all went dead. I am bookless and have the stock tool kit -- that's it. Where are the fuses? Oldfeller |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by islandwahine on 10/14/07 at 11:49:19 I"m sorry to hear that oldfeller, what happened to your extra set of fuses? Guess you won't leave home without them anymore. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by bill67 on 10/14/07 at 11:50:03 Under the seat on left side in small white thing |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Oldfeller2 on 10/14/07 at 11:52:02 got the spare fuse that's taped to the inside of the toolbox cover (Suzuki thinks about you oometimes) so now I'm pulling the seat hoping to find out where to plug it in. Where is the fuse block located? |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by bill67 on 10/14/07 at 11:53:44 message above |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Oldfeller2 on 10/14/07 at 12:01:13 Thanks Bill, This is funny -- have you ever tried to get your seat off with a standard tool kit? You have a 10mm wrench and no way to get to the recesseds nut with the wrench. That fuse might as well be located on the far side of the moon. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by bill67 on 10/14/07 at 12:08:20 NO this is the hardest bike I every work on and I thought it would be easy .one reason i bought it |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Reelthing on 10/14/07 at 12:08:27 don't need to pull the seat (sure easier if you do) but the fuse "block is on the right hand side of the bike if your sitting on it - about half way along the seat - it looks like a relay - pull it apart and there's a pait of 20amps in there. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by verslagen1 on 10/14/07 at 12:46:32 Right RT, fuses are on the left only if you're riding backwards. It's held on by a rubber thingy, You can pull it forward (to the way the bike travels) and it will come off. ;D |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by sluggo on 10/14/07 at 13:27:02 if you only have one spare fuse, make sure you know why it blew in the first place, would hate to blow the only spare/ |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Savage_Greg on 10/14/07 at 14:38:15 verslagen1 wrote:
You mean that you don't remove the fuse holder to the right too? Of course, you can remove the fuse holder from the rubber thingie to the left :P |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by islandwahine on 10/14/07 at 17:56:55 Oldfeller2 wrote:
Talk about misunderstanding! Here I thought you were mad at yourself for not bringing fuses, when in reality you were asking where the fusebox was. It had not occurred to me that you didn't know. Sorry, I would have told you otherwise. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Oldfeller2 on 10/14/07 at 18:12:18 Battery is prime suspect at this point. Fuses were fine. New battery acquired and I will drive the 80 miles to where the bike is stashed and put it in tomorrow night and see if I can get her home. Also pulled the air cleaner since I had the plate off. Dirt only went about a half inch down into the media then it was clean oil and clean fabric the rest of the way through. Nothing but air is getting through the oil soaked poly batting, not even fine dirt is making it through. I'm replacing the 1" material with 2" material to see if it changes the increased power characteristics any. I am looking to make it a once a year wash & re-oil sort of filter instead of a wash & re-oil every six months like it is now. I really hate getting left on the roadside -- sucks, it does. I hate wasting an entire evening riding in a car to work on a bike by flashlight and headlight power. Oldfeller |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Robertomoe on 10/14/07 at 18:29:39 double check all the connections, especially the relays |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Reelthing on 10/14/07 at 23:17:48 Quote:
Bill - it's a very easy bike to work on - there are a few different bits from year to year - perhaps the s40 has the fuses on the left in a small white block - but for sure the Savages/LS650s do not - the fuse block is to STARboard. About a million years ago, a fellow with more stripes than could be counted that ran from the button to far past the elbow told me left and right didn't mean any thing - port and starboard did - assume anything worthwhile moves foward and your on it - to your right are the STARs of life to the left are the drunks sucking up PORT - boy he says - chose - are you on the right or the left? |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by bill67 on 10/15/07 at 04:23:46 The fuse are on the right I looked in clymers and I got it wrongand I looked at bike and you dont have to take off seat. can you tell me of another bike thats takes longer to get to the battery than this bike . |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by mornhm on 10/15/07 at 05:08:12 Bill67, Try removing the battery sometime on a full fairing MC with the seat and a tool box above the battery. You can't even check level without pulling the battery out. ::) |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by bill67 on 10/15/07 at 05:30:59 victory motorcycle pull side cover one second the battery is there. I had suzuki 650 gr turn key under seat 2 seconds the seat is off and battery is there had 95 goldwing easyer than s40. My vl1500 2 screws about a minute battery is there. Other than these two bikes all where easyer than the s40 to work on. I really like the bike but I find it much harder to do things on than other bikes. this is my 16th bike. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Savage_Greg on 10/15/07 at 08:05:48 The stock seat bolts are virtually impossible to remove with an open wrench if you have saddle bags installed. I replaced the seat mount bolts with allen head so that I could use a T handle. Much easier. The GZ 250 has a hinged seat that uses the key. Nice, but then the Intruder is classic Suzuki with even has more bolts than the Savage40... |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by bill67 on 10/15/07 at 08:16:18 I never had to remove my intruder seat in 8 years |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Savage_Greg on 10/15/07 at 08:21:59 bill67 wrote:
Must not have ever messed with the carbs, then :P It wasn't mine, but I had to remove it because he blew a fuel line from the pump. I posted a photo of the bike. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by bill67 on 10/15/07 at 08:31:23 You got it baby ;D |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Oldfeller2 on 10/15/07 at 17:51:14 Baby is home again, it was indeed nothing worse than a "sudden death" battery failure. I now own a 10mm nutsetter (socket on a screwdriver handle) which rides in my saddle bag forever. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Gulfstream on 10/15/07 at 20:55:36 I installed 2 #2 phillips head screws in their place, much easier than a wrench as stated so no extra tools are needed. I got a kick out of the post title...the wife and I went on a 100 mile jaunt yesterday through the countryside. We're cruising along and the wife slows down and rides onto the shoulder. I pull up next to her and ask whats wrong? She says she's just riding along and the motor sputters a couple of times then quits. I look at my odometer and ask if she tried turning on the reserve...nope she had never run into the reserve before, now she knows. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Savage_Greg on 10/15/07 at 21:51:44 Oldfeller2 wrote:
Oldfeller2 to "Oldfeller3"...Just how does a battery die and blow a fuse? Call it "sudden death" if you want, but how does that work? You have a voltage regulator and a battery never puts out more when it gets weak...how? I'm thinking that you still have the problem, plus a new battery,,, |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Oldfeller2 on 10/16/07 at 03:28:06 I ASSumed it was a blown fuse and it was not -- no fuse was blown. Fought the seat bolt war for nothing. Recheck with the key (after dusk) showed a faint glow on the neutral light and a red wire on the headlight -- neither of which were noticeable in the daylight. This caused me to pull the battery, to charge it if nothing else. Volt meter showed proper volts, but no storeage of juice after charging. Bad battery, cause unknown. New battery -- bike makes it home. Now we run a week to see if charging system is working OK. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Savage_Greg on 10/16/07 at 08:10:02 Oldfeller2 wrote:
I assUmed that you made a mistake :P My spouse had a similar thing happen with a battery. Stopped under a bank drive thru in a downpour and when the rain stopped, I had to ride home to get our truck. The buss failed in the battery. It would read about 12V, but couldn't light the lamps... I assuMEd that you replaced the fuse too. |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Oldfeller2 on 10/17/07 at 02:48:16 Actually, no. These new style fuses are readily visible if they blow, they break the connection pretty good and blow black crap all over the inside of the plastic holder if they are blown. I eyeballed each of them by flashlight and put them back in place as they were OK. I will buy some replacements and stock them in my growing "road parts saddle bag kit". So far Baby is passing the ongoing short trip charging test with flying colors. I think the stock Suzuki charging system overvolts the battery pretty good and has enough amps available on a stock set up to "overcharge" the battery even with short trips on top of short trips. Overcharging. Have you noticed that you need to add a lot of distilled water to your battery every fall when you pull it out to store it? I sure have -- amazing that the batteries last for several years with that sort of constant overcharging going on all the time. But in the end, I'd rather have overcharging and eventual battery death just once every 3-4 years than a constant fight with short trip undercharging. You do know that eventually we are going to be able to buy a lithium ion battery pack that will fit our scooters? And some of you guys are going to shell out $100 plus to buy one? <grin> Oldfeller |
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Title: Re: dead on the road Post by Savage_Greg on 10/17/07 at 07:05:19 Oldfeller2 wrote:
Well, who wouldn't? With the Energizer Bunny in there, it really will be a Thumper ;D Where's Paladin? |
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