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Message started by splash07 on 10/02/07 at 17:20:22

Title: Major Mistake!
Post by splash07 on 10/02/07 at 17:20:22

well today, after i had been working on the old girl for about an hour, i decided to change the oil. After i drained the engine and changed the filter i began puting in the oil. I put down my little paper funnel for a sec and when i picked it back up again and put it to the crankcase i heard a tink-tank-clinck from a pebble that had gotten in the funnel and had poured down into the crankcase. My question is this: Is it possible to flush this rock out of my engine with oil or am i gunna have to take the darn thing apart again.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by rigidchop on 10/02/07 at 17:25:09

ouch!!! that sounds bad, i don't know if you could flush it out, it probably would get stuck behind something else. if it were mine i'd take it apart.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by splash07 on 10/02/07 at 17:40:36

was afraid of that, I knew in hte back of my mind that taking it apart was the answer. I am gunna start that as soon as I have a spare hour. I believe that ill get it out if i just pop off the right side crankcase cover, however will i need the gasket as well? the one that is on there now only has 200 mile on it.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/07 at 17:44:49

Where are the pics inside that side of the engine?

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by serowbot on 10/02/07 at 19:26:09

If you own a gun,...I'd keep it unloaded for next few days...
like,..maybe, until you can laugh about this...

Very sorry...

I just spent 3 hrs looking for a carb nut I dropped, while fixing an old ladies Honda, for free...
Hope that makes you feel a tiny bit better...

best of luck....

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by SavageDude on 10/02/07 at 20:06:50

From this picture, it seemsyou can just drain and filter out the oil and then repour it back in several time to flush it out. DON'T START YOUR ENGINE at all.

http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/parts/Suzuki/LS650P/2003/1255445

I know the year is not the same but our beloved engine haven't change for over 20 years :o

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by T-Mack1 on 10/02/07 at 20:08:47

You could drian the oil and try flushing with kerosene. Keep sending the kero thru until pebble comes out.

If it doesn't, Then it's time to buy gaskets. Try looking in the generator side first since it's downhill.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by Rockin_John on 10/02/07 at 23:25:57

T-Mack1 wrote:

Yes, taking the left side off is a possibility too... As I recall, the little tunnel for oil at the bottom is pretty small though. Anything bigger than a BB (.177") would have a hard time making it that way I think.

http://catoosatrading.com/images/cycles/lh_crankcase/P4090001.JPG

Should you decide to go that route, here are some more pictures from when I had to replace the stator:

http://catoosatrading.com/images/cycles/lh_crankcase/

Good luck!

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by islandwahine on 10/03/07 at 01:26:07

serowbot wrote:

How far away was the hardware store??

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by verslagen1 on 10/03/07 at 07:03:26

The oil fil is on the clutch side. I've had mine off twice to inspect the adjuster and reused the gasket each time. Just apply a sealant around the oil path and it'll be ok.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by splash07 on 10/03/07 at 07:11:41

Thanks yall, I will be removing the right cover soon, as i am scheduled for a weekend trip to paint rock in N. AL this weekend. It will be the first major ride since I rebuilt the old LS650, and i am not gunna let a little rock jam up my plans.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by Savage_Rob on 10/03/07 at 10:01:23

splash07 wrote:

Might as well inspect your cam chain adjuster mechanisms while you're in there.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by splash07 on 10/03/07 at 10:19:59

what should i look for on my cam if it is going bad?

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by Savage_Greg on 10/03/07 at 10:37:26

verslagen1 wrote:

The oil fil is on the clutch side. I've had mine off twice to inspect the adjuster and reused the gasket each time. Just apply a sealant around the oil path and it'll be ok.

No need to go around your a$$ to scratch your elbow. Remember KISS.

If that pebble is in there, it mostly is under the primary gear on the right side. There is even a baffle under the oil filler hole anyway. It shouldn't be too far away.

I'd recommend draining the oil by removing the cover. Not by the drain plug. Just to make sure the oil doesn't push it any further.

Good luck.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/Clutch_Side_1.jpg

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/03/07 at 11:04:44

Doesnt look like a pebble can move across with just drain flow. I would certainly pop the clutch side off. It would be better to crack the case & let it drain that way, so it couldnt drag any sand or small grit toward the drain plug. Chances are, that pebble wasnt sanitary.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by splash07 on 10/03/07 at 11:43:31

popped the cover and no pebble. I had tryed to push it out with some oil but i doubt that the oil would push it far. Once the cover was off i decided to drop in another pebble to see where it would go. It didnt make it far. It fell just to the right of the primary drive gear. If it the original pebbble did fall past that point then i doubt that it would go into the center portion of the crank case through one of the two small openings to the that portion of the engine. All this leads me to believe that there is no pebble, but just to be sure i felt all around under the oil pump to see if i could feel anything with some small wire and i did not feel a thing. It was very dark when i was filling it with oil last night and the pebble might have bounced off the engine off the frame and then on to the ground. Gunna get her back together and fire it up to see what happens. man this is an ordeal, a good lesson to take ones time no matter how small the task may seem.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/03/07 at 11:46:42

I know it is no real comfort right now, but I can promise, I have completely shafted myself in really frustrating ways many times. You have my sympathy here. Keep swinging!

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by drharveys on 10/03/07 at 11:52:51

In the immortal words of George Harrison:

With every mistake we must surely be learning.

Looks like you've learned a lot!

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by FreeSpirit on 10/03/07 at 13:27:28

Would like to know how things turned out ;)

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by Holodeck on 10/03/07 at 14:16:44

Me too.

Don't you love that feeling you have when you've done work on the bike and your thumb is on the starter button and..... ::)( wonder whats going to happen next??).

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by Max_Morley on 10/03/07 at 18:32:06

I have a sililiar problem with a Honda XR2230F that the cam bolt heads broke off, I found one, but have not found the other yet and have looked and looked. Can't decide whether to run and hope or R&R the egnine and disassemble it. Owner (B-i-L) doesn't care much either way. Ned to get it done so that rack is clear for winter projects. I've ordered a cam and chain from Lancer and have a head, cylinder and piston lying in wait. Darned head lug is leaking again ! But will make it until the snow flys, Max

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by islandwahine on 10/03/07 at 20:49:24

drharveys wrote:

In the immortal words of George Harrison:

With every mistake we must surely be learning.

Unless you have an idiot like me who's been known to make the same mistake twice or more!! :'(

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by splash07 on 10/03/07 at 21:19:10

well got it back together and ran her around the block at full throtle. NO wierd noises and no explosions so i guess all is good or ill find out on the road this weekend. It was probably a very small brittle pebble so maybe it will get turned into sand then the filter should pick it up, if not then all hell is gunna brake loose at the exact wrong moment.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by PerrydaSavage on 10/04/07 at 00:19:26

Best of Luck splash ... we're all rootin' for ya! ;D Let us know how it turns out!

Ride Safe Bro! 8)

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by splash07 on 10/10/07 at 21:28:24

put 400 miles on her this past weekend, and short of losing my exhaust baffle half way, i had no problems.
she ran loud and hard, lots of vibes as is expected. did mostly 60-70 the whole way and was getting 48-50 mpg.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by islandwahine on 10/10/07 at 22:13:12

Glad you got her going!! Great job!

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by LANCER on 10/11/07 at 01:37:32

That is good to hear that all went well for you.
Looks like you dodged the bullet ... or rock ... on this one. :P

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by Digger on 07/05/08 at 20:24:49

Long story cut short:

Back in '77 I was on a road trip on my Yamaha XS750D. Don't ask me how, but I managed to knock a tiny nut into the oil fill hole. I was at a truck stop. A diesel mechanic there suggested I use a water hose they had there, with hot water. He said I should spray the hot water into the oil fill hole in an attempt to flush the nut through.

Well, I was young then, so I drained the engine oil and did it. It didn't work. I ended up taking the case cover off to find the nut.

BTW, I replaced the engine oil I had drained, ran 'er a few hundred miles, then changed the oil again.

Never did have any ill effects from running the hot water through the engine.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/05/08 at 22:13:51

The number one lesson here is, dont be laying an oil funnel on the ground. lay it on a board, or a towell, heck, stick it in your shirt pocket, but the ground?? My funnels are wiped clean & wrapped up, plugged both ends, hanging up & are kept clean. I would never lay one on the ground on purpose.

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by craigq on 07/06/08 at 06:07:51

607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:

After cleaning my oil fill funnel(s) I place them in zip-lock baggies before putting them back in their storage location. Then it only comes out when it's oil fill time :)

Title: Re: Major Mistake!
Post by Digger on 08/04/08 at 21:15:56

My funnels (after being cleaned) go in a Rubbermaid box with a lid, along with other things that are kept clean.