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Title: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/21/07 at 20:02:42 Ok guys, I NEED HELP........i've been tinkering away for two days now and have only ended up with a dead battery. Story goes, i bought a savage chopper two weeks ago from a mechanic, and it ran great, well it ticked on the lifters but still ran. So two days ago im sitting at a stop light and the i choked it out... I know horrible standard driver still choking the clutch, but never the less it wont start again.. I tried for three hours that night, and ended up towing it home. Well today i get into it. I have fuel reaching the carborator (but i'll explain that right now), and i double checked my coil, spark plug wire, and spark plug; all of which are getting fire. So now im at a loss, i checked my needle and seat to make sure i didn't have something caught in there and it looks clean. Fuel problem. there are three vaccum lines on the carb (at least i hope) and two go to the air filter to get air (right?) and the third i was told runs to the petcock but on my bike it just hangs because the petcock is bad, it will only run in the prime position, but anyway i can get fuel down to the carb and the vaccum line on the right that goes to the air filter will spit out a mist of fuel, and when i plug it fuel just comes out the inlet line (when the tank is off) so any ideas? what might be wrong with the bike? It will crank but thats all, and once in a while it will fire once or twice but wont start all the way. so what do i do?! And if any of you guys are in the tucson arizona area, interested in helping a fed guy with his bike? |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by demin on 09/21/07 at 20:08:10 The 2 lines that look like they are going to the air filter are vent lines.Try plugging the vacuum one because if it just hanging you are sucking air. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/21/07 at 20:20:41 THANKS! i tried it and it kicked over and puffed twice, but is still making the same noise. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by demin on 09/21/07 at 20:34:03 How many miles on it? |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by slavy on 09/21/07 at 21:25:53 I am in Phx. If You get it here , i hope to have it running in 1 hr. If You want, just contact me. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 02:26:19 sweet! well i'll see if i can get a truck, and it's got 18012 miles. why? |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by demin on 09/22/07 at 06:15:53 With that many miles on it the tensioner can come loose cam chain can skip a tooth.If you talk with Slavy he knows all about it. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by Savage_Greg on 09/22/07 at 06:44:08 josh85716 wrote:
Josh, Let me just try to say this without causing a big fuss...you need a manual. Plain and simple. Slavy can help you sort it out this time, but in the future I bet that you'll run into a completely issue. So save yourself any future towing costs. A manual is cheaper. Good luck. BTW - I hate to ask, but what kind of guy is a "fed guy"? Is that like MIB? :P |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 16:06:55 lol, first off i meant fed up guy, lol I'm bad at typing. But as far as the savage goes i dropped a new plug in her today just to be safe, and still no luck, however a new development has come up. The breather line on the right side of the carb was clogged with stuff. So i cleaned it out and tried again, it popped but still no luck. What other ideas do you guys have? Oh and i ordered a book for the bike, but it wont get her for a week and a half, and knowing Tucson's fedex that means three weeks, and i really miss riding. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by verslagen1 on 09/22/07 at 16:36:12 At 18k the cam chain is a concern. And the way it stalled out (you said choking the clutch) has been a concern of mine (I don't always slip it in thinking I'm getting a feel for the rpm's and speed and cause it to lurch, and I do mean LURCH) may be a cause for the chain to slip if the adjuster is ready to pop. So any new ticks or sraping when you turn it over? And you got junk in the vac line, might be other stuff in the vent lines. Sounds like a good reason to remove and clean the carb. Bad petcork? cap the port in the carb, it may be causing it to be lean. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 17:29:36 alright, i'll try cleaning the carb, i've been avoiding it but i guess i better try, and as far as noises go no grinding or ticking out of the ordinary, the bike already ticked when i got it and it just needed the lifters adjusted but aside from that right now it sounds the same as before, im hoping its just something in the carb..... Thanks alot, and if you have anyother suggestions let me know im all ears. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/07 at 18:11:59 Pull the plug, pull the cap on left cover, set it on TDC & look at the cam position by checking the valve clearances, IF the cam chain has jumped, the valves wont be set anywhere near right. But, for all I know, it would run even off a tooth, anyone? Hey, you could ctcle the engine thru a few times & make sure the valves are even acting right, if you decide to go in this far. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 19:05:23 well that is my next step, and im dreading it, this is my second motorcycle and they scare me! four wheels are easier than two, but two are cooler! so i think thats what im gonna do next, but in about an hour, and i already cleaned my carbs.... still no luck! so up next cam tenshioner and chain what not. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 19:10:34 well on a lighter note i found something that is much harder to figure out than this cycle.. Sitting at your desk lift your right foot start making clockwise circles with your foot Now after your rythm is established, try to draw a number 6 with your right hand. Your foot changes directions.... WTF!!! Sorry, long hot day in the garage makes me a little crazy especially when i haven't figured out the bike. But next is internal work.. Any pointers? |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by islandwahine on 09/22/07 at 19:28:57 Oh for crying out loud!! You're right, the foot does change direction. No wonder I almost end up in a ditch when looking another way other then where I'm going. My arms start doing the same thing! ;D |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 20:02:10 lmao i know!! Ok guys..... im sad and happy at the same time.. i figured it out.. Took off cam chain cover..... broke the piston tenshioner thing and my chain snapped in two... So umm any advice as to how much i should spend and where to get it... or better yet... anyone have some spare parts i can buy off you and pay for shipping.?? I'll put up some pictures later on. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by demin on 09/22/07 at 20:09:44 Ouch..sorry to hear what happened.I caught mine JUST in time.I would talk to Verslagen about a tensioner.They have been talking about some different chains too. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by verslagen1 on 09/22/07 at 20:18:38 Try justin's reccommendation first. Next the cam chain, drop the oil, remove right peg, remove header and muffler, remove oil filter, clean around the edge of the cover, remove bolts on cover, note which ones have seals!, note which ones are long (only 2 lengths, only 2 are long), disconnect clutch cable, use clutch lever to pop cover loose only, pry alittle at front to even it out stop at 1/8" gap, check gasket, what side is it stuck to, make sure it's all the same side, pull the cover off. Take 2 beers, call us in the morning. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 20:59:23 right on, I'm on my second beer and feeling pretty good it's all apart, i need to find parts and get to the rest of the chain... how's that done? either way im waiting till the morning! thank you guys! |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by verslagen1 on 09/22/07 at 21:04:18 what did you find? |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/22/07 at 21:07:35 I just replaced my camchain, adjuster, guide, and tensioner. The tricky part is to loosen the clutch basket so the primary drive gear can be removed. note: Primary drive gear nut is reversed thread, turn clockwise to loosen. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 21:13:56 sweet, i found the chain snapped in two and the tenshioner apart like this "Lucky" post's looked like, not a pretty sight. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 22:00:42 No! i have a minor problem. i got over excited and thought "hey ill try to figure out where the chain runs to" and i saw a bolt on the right side of the block, all alone and thought "why not" took it off heard a clink and looked in to find a little cylinder that the bolt runs through out of alignment.. what is it? any ideas on how to align it? and lastly, where does the chain run to? i want to make sure i dont need any more parts. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/22/07 at 22:07:55 The chain runs up through a cavity along the cylinder through the head and around the cam gear and back down to the chain sprocket behind the primary drive gear. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 22:11:18 sweet how do i access the top, which bolts do i need to remove? all of them? like do i have to just remove the whole head? |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 22:15:08 oh and whats your guy's most reliable parts dealer? |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/22/07 at 22:17:42 You will need to remove the head cover. If your bike still has the chrome covers on top of the head, you will need to remove those to get to the head cover. You will need to remove the fuel tank. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/22/07 at 22:18:29 josh85716 wrote:
I usually get my parts from my local Suzuki Stealership |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/22/07 at 22:25:59 Here, try this. ;D http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1181745927 |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by verslagen1 on 09/22/07 at 22:33:04 reliable? I guess that means delivers on time. You have to call them to make sure they have parts on hand. Then they are reliable. Otherwise, most will take up to 2 weeks. remove tank, don't need to but remove carb, remove top support, get manual, read tech section post, print pict of head cover, poke bolts in it as you remove them, curse cause you just twisted a head off of one, order replacement, get manual cause I don't remember the rest. Make sure you match up what you need with a picture of it. The names we use don't always match what they call it. If you order a tensioner, you get the rear guide. order the guide you get the front guide and you can't replace that unless you take off the head. I'd order the tensioner, adjuster and chain for sure. since you're ordering, clutch gasket whether you replace it or not. And you might consider ordering a few of the bolts for the head cover cause you might twist off one or two, I did. And won't be your fault. bolts are either damaged durring install or over time, not sure. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/22/07 at 22:51:28 verslagen1 wrote:
Yeah, what we call the tensioner, they call an adjuster. |
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Title: Re: Dead Savage! Post by josh85716 on 09/22/07 at 23:21:25 thanks guys! your helping alot |
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