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Message started by Ghengis_McCann on 09/19/07 at 04:32:40

Title: Getting it going
Post by Ghengis_McCann on 09/19/07 at 04:32:40

Just can't get it going.The thing won't start,i was getting a breeze out of the head breather so i assumed a head gasket or a bent valve.I took the head off and it checked out fine,i put in a new gasket and still got a breeze with no starting.I took the cover off again and gave it 50% more torque and i'm still getting a breeze.I haven't put the carb back on yet as i feel it's unlikely to start.The decompression lever is fine and adjusted.Does anyone have any ideas?

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Reelthing on 09/19/07 at 06:04:52

I'm confused - the head breather is always going to huff and puff it's the air being displaced when the piston goes down - on a multicylinder the air has other places to go - like under the piston(s) moving up - on a single - no place except out the tube and back in

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Savage_Greg on 09/19/07 at 06:39:52

Ghengis_McCann wrote:

Does anyone have any ideas?

Yes. You don't have a clue what you are doing.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by verslagen1 on 09/19/07 at 07:00:15

Got spark?

Got gas?

Got clymers?

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Savage_Greg on 09/19/07 at 07:02:08

verslagen1 wrote:

Got spark?

Got gas?

Got clymers?

Bet he doesn't have any of those. After all, since when do you torque the head, and then re-torque it 50% higher :P

If I recall, the torque spec is around 25 lb/ft, so you just re-do it to 37?

I'm thinking that we need to come in out of the breeze :P

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Ghengis_McCann on 09/19/07 at 08:52:04

Thanks for all of your replies,especially the smart arsed ones as it reaffirms my views on 90& of the population. Anyhow i do have spark,gas &clymers,but didn't know about the breather thing as this is my first big single, and when i gave it more torque the nuts felt like they could use it.I'll stick it back together and see if it goes now.As for the smart arses you just keep on doing what you do,the longer you're sat at your screen, the safer the rest of us will be in the real world.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Savage_Greg on 09/19/07 at 09:03:32

Ghengis_McCann wrote:

You have a Clymer, but you still over-torque the head nuts because it "felt like they could use it? Is that what it says to do? Toss the book. You're way too advanced for it.

You keep going and you'll just be parting the bike out on eBay. But of course, then we won't have to explain stupid stuff like how your breather creates a breeze, either.

PS - Not only singles have breathers. They all do.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by forrest on 09/19/07 at 09:17:38

Wow, that was a fun posting. :-/

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Savage_Greg on 09/19/07 at 09:32:08

forrest wrote:

Wow, that was a fun posting. :-/

I'm here for ya...

I really like it when people can't even properly write a paragraph. No spaces between sentences and just some continuous babble that we have to interpret and translate.

Then there are always those that only want to be coddled. Got to treat them like a "Terrific Kid" even when they are just plain wrong. Must not bruise their self esteem after all...gotta be PC.

...but what the hay, at least I'm not out in the breeze creating a danger for 10% of the population :P

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/19/07 at 09:42:49

Yea, sometimes a kid needs a frim guiding hand laid on the shoulder. Some authoritarian tyeps, some seem to have been pushed around a bit & now need to do the same to others, apparently feel that WHEN that hand goes on the kids shoulder, the smart thing to do is ram the thumb into the throat, to demonstrate their authority. No reason to help, correct, guide & advise humanely. Being decent isnt just PC, it's humane. OHH, and IF someones grammar can be demonstrated to be "Less than " what teacher would approve of, all the more reason to treat that person like an idiot. Perfect logic.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by verslagen1 on 09/19/07 at 10:54:30

Ghengis_McCann wrote:

My point was... this is not much to go on GM.
No go and a breeze out the top.
Start from the beggining, you told us you can turn a wrench and... ? I don't know if the engine evens turns over. So far, you told us you tore the engine apart and it might be a run down battery for all I know.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Savage_Greg on 09/19/07 at 10:56:14

justin_o_guy2 wrote:

Yea, sometimes a kid needs a frim guiding hand laid on the shoulder. Some authoritarian tyeps, some seem to have been pushed around a bit & now need to do the same to others, apparently feel that WHEN that hand goes on the kids shoulder, the smart thing to do is ram the thumb into the throat, to demonstrate their authority. No reason to help, correct, guide & advise humanely. Being decent isnt just PC, it's humane. OHH, and IF someones grammar can be demonstrated to be "Less than " what (insert "a") teacher would approve of, all the more reason to treat that person like an idiot. Perfect logic.

Especially when they are content to remain in that lesser state of development regardless of any overwhelming evidence of the need to improve themselves.

I know what you mean.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Ghengis_McCann on 09/19/07 at 11:05:18

Thanks for all your help folks,it was just a bit more torque needed.Sometimes the studs stretch a bit.It's running great and I'm off to ride it. Once again thanks and now I'll answer the numpties i seem to have attracted.I won't get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man,so,see ya Savage Greg.
P.S. weren't you in Village People?

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Savage_Greg on 09/19/07 at 11:19:35

Ghengis_McCann wrote:

Thanks for all your help folks,:Pit was just a bit more torque needed.:P:PSometimes the studs stretch a bit.:P:PIt's running great and I'm off to ride it. Once again thanks and now I'll answer the numpties i seem to have attracted.:P:PI won't get into a battle of wits with an unarmed man,:Pso,:Psee ya Savage Greg.
(tab-tab) P.S. weren't you in Village People?

How did you guess?

Ride safe. Glad that I could help, too.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by forrest on 09/19/07 at 11:28:40

Ghengis_McCann wrote:

Oh man, that was an awful come back. I'd been ashamed to have hit the "post" button with that "in the breeze."

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by drums1 on 09/19/07 at 12:40:55

When did this forum start allowing "guests" to post? I always thought you had to be a member. Oh well, he's "off into the breeze", so it's back to normal in here. Maybe somewhere down the road, he'll learn to respect his elders, and maybe even follow some sound advise. Does this reply put me in the 90% group, or the 10% group? ;)

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by jkhulon73 on 09/19/07 at 12:50:27

I think he shows up as 'guest' because he deleted his own account.

If you can't take the heat...

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by forrest on 09/19/07 at 12:58:10

jkhulon73 wrote:

I think he shows up as 'guest' because he deleted his own account.

If you can't take the heat...

Bummer, he might have added a little more fun.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by verslagen1 on 09/19/07 at 12:59:03

drums1 wrote:

Does this reply put me in the 90% group, or the 10% group? ;)

I'm in the 50/50 group myself.

How many of you think it was the battery?

Betcha he was too embar a$$ed to admitt it.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/19/07 at 13:15:58

jkhulon73 wrote:

I think he shows up as 'guest' because he deleted his own account.

If you can't take the heat...

I believe that's a pretty good assessment. When I read this thread earlier he had the usual stats under his name as the rest of us do.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by demin on 09/19/07 at 13:16:25

He took the head off because it had a breeze and wouldn't start? ??? ??? ??? ???O.K. :-X

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by forrest on 09/19/07 at 16:07:55

He's history

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by Savage_Greg on 09/19/07 at 17:01:27

Okay, everyone...maybe I was wrong. Sorry.

I just can't stand it when someone defends their actions even when they are obviously wrong anyway.

Studs stretch? Sure they do. The compression of the gaskets is designed for the same amount of pressure anyway. The manual isn't a just suggestion, it is the guide. If studs stretch, it very well might be due to someone over-torquing them in the first place.

You don't do things your own way, unless you really are a qualified engineer. The proof is in the crappy spare parts for sale on eBay.

He didn't know what he was doing, and I called him on it Maybe my technique sucked, but I was still right.

PS - Studs don't stretch that much. Every time, I've disassembled mine the nuts were still loaded with plenty of torque.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by forrest on 09/19/07 at 17:33:23

Well, you were a bit like a shark who smelled blood in the water and went right for the kill.

But who tears apart their engine before checking out the electricals first? It's usually something simple.

But hey, he had poor grammar skills.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by demin on 09/19/07 at 18:13:08

Yeah :P what greg said :P

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/19/07 at 20:22:28

Savage_Greg wrote:

I had no quarrel with the way you handled that, I may have handled it differant, but you're right. Check the manual and do what it says.

After all, engines are a precise piece of engineering, everything has to be correct for it to function properly.

Even the mods we come up with we first make sure that they will function safely within the engineering parameters of our machines. Even the more outrageous ones.

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by theikeman on 09/25/07 at 22:14:02

So,

Greg, tell us how you REALLY feel ...

LOL

Ike

Title: Re: Getting it going
Post by skatnbnc on 09/26/07 at 11:01:54

Hey I had no issue with Gregs answer either. The guy didn't exactly say how he got to the breather point without basic troubleshooting first.
And nothing in the Clymers manual says "torque until it hurts". In fact, it says quite the opposite...

Just glad Greg's been really patient with my many questions... ;D