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Message started by Robertomoe on 09/18/07 at 17:51:26

Title: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/18/07 at 17:51:26

I just put a new battery in my bike, and it still wont start. It turns over and even sputters exhaust a bit, but nothing else happens

what should I look at next?

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by demin on 09/18/07 at 17:56:08

(1)Check for fuel
(2)pull plug see what it looks like :-/
(3)check for spark

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/18/07 at 18:25:14

Im gonna need a little help with those three

The tank has about 2 inches or so of gas in it

There's some darker liquid around the screw under the carb

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Reelthing on 09/18/07 at 21:18:40

when was the last time it ran?

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/18/07 at 21:42:32

about 2 weeks ago, before the old battery stopped working

the next two or so days it bump started, then wouldnt work at all (or I didnt get going fast enough)

so, I need to know what the procedures are for the three steps demin suggested

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/18/07 at 22:20:14

How old is the fuel? Easy enough to check for fuel, Loosen the drain on the bottom of the carb bowl. Catch whatever comes out, in a clear container, look for corruption & water.

To get the sparkplug out, the tank has to come off. But, that comes after making sure its getting fuel, & not water or rust.
Year model? Miles?

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/18/07 at 22:49:52

1996, 35k miles

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by pgman on 09/19/07 at 04:44:30

From what I've read here, with that mileage, the cam chain may well be loose enough to have jumped a tooth or two when you were bump-starting it. Just a thought.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/19/07 at 09:36:44

You can pull the plug & valve adjust plates & bring it to TDC & see if the cam is in the right place. That will give you a chance to check the plug, and the cam at the same time. and you can check valve settings, too. But, you will need to pop the side off & have a look at the cam chain tensioner, too.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Savage_Rob on 09/19/07 at 09:47:46

Robertomoe wrote:

The tank has about 2 inches or so of gas in it

That may not be enough for normal running. You may need to either add more gas or set the petc0ck to RES.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by islandwahine on 09/19/07 at 09:58:11

I know mine doesn't like to start with only 2 inches of gas! I think it needs the extra pressure of a full tank of gas. It always seems to run better after I just filled her up!

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/19/07 at 10:55:12

I already tried it on RES, but Ill try to get some gas for it.

Another thing, I tried to get the drain screw loose, but the tools at hand wouldnt do. However, they did pick up some of the stuff that seems to have built up around it, and I would describe it as orangish brown (oil! :-[ )

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Savage_Rob on 09/19/07 at 11:44:40

If RES doesn't work, adding more gas shouldn't help... unless it's just bad gas or has a lot of crap and adding more dilutes or loosens the crap. Then it could temporarily mask the real problem. You may have crap in your fuel or even varnish in your carb. I'm with those who've suggested draining the float bowl and seeing what you get out. You may need to clean the carb and possibly drain the tank too. If you drain the tank, remove the petc0ck and inspect/clean it too. Additionally, I always recommend an inline fuel filter be installed in the fuel line. They are inexpensive insurance. If you get a clear one, you can see if fuel is flowing and if the filter needs to be replaced (or cleaned, for some).

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/21/07 at 11:19:14

is there some kind of procedure list on the boards that indicates how to properly disassemble the carb and petcock for cleaning?

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/21/07 at 16:25:19

Robertomoe wrote:

is there some kind of procedure list on the boards that indicates how to properly disassemble the carb and petcock for cleaning?

Actually I believe there is in the tech/ref section. I used it myself when I was re-jetting my carb and before I got my Clymer's manual. (Though I have noticed several missing items in the Clymer's such as how to completely remove the cam-chain from the block. That's right, I'm going to be harping on that for awhile.)

Anyway, yes there is procedures in the tech/ref section. Good luck.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/21/07 at 20:48:04

okay, went to try again today, several things (keep in mind I have about 3 tools, a problem Im realizing is a huge issue) I spilled gas everywhere because the petcack was left On and the hoses came off while I was pulling the tank

got access to the plug but didnt get any farther b/c I didnt have a socket wrench to get it out

So I tried the bike without the plug hooked up, turned over and of course didnt do anything else, so I feel like its safe to say the starter works and most likely the plug

I was unable to take the drain out with the tools at hand (no stub screwdriver to get the screw out)

However, there's plenty of residue on the outside that looks like a lighter version of soy sauce. Can I safely say that i should be looking only at the carb because of this residue?

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/07 at 19:52:40

No tool kit inside the locking cover on the right side?

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by verslagen1 on 09/22/07 at 19:58:05

Berto, get yourself down to harbour frieght and pick up a metric set of sockets, wrenches, screwdrivers and a gas can. This stuff's cheap so it won't be your last set of tools. If you want that go to sears and get craftsman. But getrdon.

read the tech sect for carb issue to get familiar.

read about adjusting the valves.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was your cam chain. When did you get the bike? I can help you out maybe next weekend, but I'm all busted up from moving my parents. So I'm limitted to looking over shoulders when it comes to low places.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/23/07 at 11:19:16

I would go, but Im vehicleless and the toolkit on the bike is gone

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/23/07 at 12:52:42

Sounds like a dillema. Something like getting home from work, REAL tired & laying down, only to realize, WOW,, You are wayyy to hungry to sleep. Answer? YOU gonna lay there & starve to death with yer eyes open.

So, your bike wont start & you dont have the tools to fix it. One thing has to happen, either the bike has to start or you have to find a wa to get tools to fix it. You need to know, the clearance between head & plug is very thin. You need a real thin plug socket. My store bought plug socket wont go down there, only the Suzuki thin walled one fits in there. Dont know what else to say, I wish ya the best!

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by YonuhAdisi on 09/23/07 at 15:39:27

justin_o_guy2 wrote:

I found to get the spark plug out, that a 3/4 deep socket works well.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/24/07 at 16:51:29

okay, its back up and running

the verdict:

I wasn't starting it right. Paladin came by, I showed him how I was doing it, we traded places, and that baby fired right up!

The liquid at the drain was just gas additives ::)

sorry guys, I'd love to talk, but she's calling my name

Title: There is no Try. There is DO or Do Not.
Post by Paladin on 09/24/07 at 18:47:51

Sniffed the exhaust -- good fuel. Rob spun the engine, it had those little coughs. Just a matter of of releasing the starter and giving it a little throttle to catch that cough.

rob -- do you give it throttle?
me -- I don't know, let me see.

Really, I don't know what I do, I simply DO. When questioned I have to DO and try to watch myself to see exactly what it is that I do.

Rob's bike has a quiet ticking when running, like too much play in the valve train. No other nasty or unusual sounds. Too little play in the rear brake, brake light wouldn't come on so I loosened it up a bit. Front brake light switch has a broken lug -- told rob to remember to use the rear to light the light when stopping. Not a bad little bike.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Savage_Rob on 09/25/07 at 05:18:06

Up and running! Gratz!

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Paladin on 09/26/07 at 09:46:45

Since he hadn't posted since I show him how to start the bike I gave Robertomoe a call this morning. He is able to start, and is too busy riding to post. Hopefully some of that riding is to get some tools.

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/26/07 at 11:10:56

haha I swore I posted somewhere!

Title: Re: wont start with new battery
Post by Robertomoe on 09/26/07 at 11:11:58

Robertomoe wrote:

theres the proof!

anyways, Im off again to ride her around a bit