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Title: easiest mods to perform Post by surfa on 09/08/07 at 01:50:05 Hi All, I have a stock 2006 and I'm ready to make some quick and cost effective mods. Keep in mind, i really know nothing about working on a bike. Although, thanks to this GREAT site, i was able to perform my own oil change and replace front brake pads. 8) I would appreciate some step by step instructions on the mods, parts and cost. My only complaint about the bike is - cruizing at 70 or more, there's a bit too much vibes for me. I would like to do a mod that will ease this and have no issues at 75. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/07 at 02:49:22 Its a small, light single cylinder bike with a motor that is geared to work from zero to 60 really well. If you want to run it 70 & 75 & not be vibrating so hard, the belt goes away & a chain is the answer. Even then, you gonna get the vibes a single makes. I run mine 70 & 75, but only for 30 miles or so, it does get tiresome. The bike will do it better than I will. The most effective mods are, let it flow air, open the exhaust up. A Harley pipe is a quick, cheap answer. If $$ is not a concern, the Supertrapp is a really tuneable way to go. If $$ is much of a concern, then the Harley takeoff for $20.00 is the answer. There are other choices that split the costs & benefits. Rejet the carb & give it some gas. Pull the snorkel to let air flow in. Maybe trim the white spacer in the carb, I did but restored it to stock size, my carb seems kinda wierd. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by LANCER on 09/08/07 at 05:20:33 Yep, that's about it for the very inexpensive range of performance mod's and they are easy to do, even for a first timer. I personally do not think it is necessary to change anything in the filtering area if the only other changes being made are replacing the stock muffler with a Harley unit and rejetting the carb to match. Jusin mentioned that after filing down the white spacer he then went back to stock...it seems that some of the newer Harley sportster mufflers are more restrictive than they were in the past and this may be the reason that some folks are finding that not as much fuel is need when compared to others. Anyway, changing the muffler will give a much better sound and let the air flow a bit more. Jetting the carb for best efficiency will yield better performance for you and eliminate any backfire . Just remember that the pilot jet (with the adjusting screw) controls the low throttle range, the needle (with white spacer) controls the mid throttle range, and the main jet controls the high end of the throttle range. There is overlapping of those ranges but for the sake of basics, that is how things are controlled. Read the tech section threads that deal with carb jetting and go have fun. You are not going to hurt your bike so don't worry about that. Keep us posted on your progress and if you have more questions after reading about jetting just holler. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by drew03cmc on 09/08/07 at 08:18:46 I am just now getting the Savage bug and reading all of this is good learning. I would love to see some Savages in person and hear what they sound like also. Any sound clips on this website so that we can hear how the various exhausts sound on these bikes? |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by Strafford_Guy on 09/08/07 at 08:26:54 drew03cmc Check out the tech section. There is just about everything thing you could ask for. Savage sounds: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1151331237 |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by FreeSpirit on 09/08/07 at 08:50:58 I'm a newbie,but doesn't the fork brace help with vibration? The guys know better though,and will probably give info :-) |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by verslagen1 on 09/08/07 at 10:01:17 Get yourself a Tkat fork brace, cheap and easy to install. It won't take the vibes away but it does a number on the wobbles and tightens up the front end. So drunken grooves won't make you sea sick. ;D |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by surfa on 09/08/07 at 11:00:04 Thanks for the info. I keep hearing about a harley take off, and I'm still not clear what that is? Is there a part # or pic I can check out. Thanks. I'll make sure to visit the tech section. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by serowbot on 09/08/07 at 11:37:09 You can get about a 5% gear reduction by going to a 149/90 rear tire. That's not a lot, but it might move those vibes up a bit. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by FreeSpirit on 09/09/07 at 10:17:59 Wanted to ask a question! Since I love the "sound" of motorcycles and want to change the muffler on mine..... "What is the best "sounding" muffler you can put on the Savage without having to change anything else.Isnt there one?" I did a search and seem to be going in circles on this. Havent perfected the search yet. On muffler sounds posts... its still hard to tell by them.Can't tell if someone just gave more volume on their sound taping or less. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by verslagen1 on 09/09/07 at 12:09:49 If you don't want to change anything else, not even the jets in your carb, get a supertrapp. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/07 at 12:20:34 I have typed & erased 2 responses. I dont want to be rude. I really cant see how to say what I really want to say without sounding like a jerk, tho, so I appologize in advance. I understand wanting it to sound more like a motorcycle than an asthmatic sewing machine. I understand being satisfied with the power it has right now, as a stock bike, its okay. But, If you are gonna spend the time & $$ to make it sound better, why not go ahead & make it run like it sounds? I would feel silly sitting on a bike that sounds good, & wide open I am still sitting 100 yards from where I started off 10 seconds ago. ( I exagerate, but yoiu get my drift, I think weve all seen bikes that had a bark greater than the bite & I always smirk at them) In other words, wht ride a fraud? If yoiu gonna make it bark, give it some Bite! Rejet, & open the exhaust up. It will be a whole new experience. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by LANCER on 09/09/07 at 12:37:08 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
Yep ... bark & bite .... |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by FreeSpirit on 09/09/07 at 12:43:08 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
Ok,"IF" you were going to rejet,etc.....then which one sounds the best? |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by verslagen1 on 09/09/07 at 12:53:50 if you're looking for the most bark for the buck, harley take-off. supertrapp's for for $300 new, there's been a few used for sale, under $200 sound is very subjective, cash is not. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/07 at 12:57:26 Choices of best are subjective. I may prefer a deeper rumble someone else may prefer a higher bark sound. Then theres the "bang for the buck" & I expect the HD muffler is the better choice based on a compromise of good sound & good performance & low price. Now, I have to admit, I went with the Supertrapp. It was spendy, but I wanted the tuneability & performance it offered, It also sounded as good as I wanted. That was just pure luck on sound. I had no idea what it would sound like when i ordered it. I ordered it for the sake of tunability & performance. It opened the bike UP. It was a totally different ride. Then, added a fork brace & it was a new bike again. With each performance upgrade I went thru new learning & riding changed. Corner speeds changed with the exhaust & jetting, then again with the fork brace. I had to grow as a rider after each set of changes. I am glad the bike isnt everything it could be right off the showroom floor. Riding it stock, I learned a lot, then with the first upgrade, it took a few months to be able to utilize the newfound power, then with the forkbrace, I was able to expand the riding yet again. I would recommend the forkbrace as soon as possible, tho. Hvae fun with that thing. get comfortable working on it. If you dont have the tools for basic maintenance, if you want to save $$ on tools, maybe starting to haunt a few pawn shops would be in order? You can go ride on Saturday & scout a few shops for tools, ride around & scout some more.. Its as good a reason as any to go for a ride! |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by FreeSpirit on 09/09/07 at 13:50:36 I like the deeper rumble.....I dont like something screaming at me :-) I listened to the muffler sounds again here and the best are: Supertrap,Jardine and mac slip on.Harley dyna is not bad either. Just got to figure out the best sound for the lowest price for now. How do ya'll know when you search for a muffler,used or not,if it will fit the Savage? Is it pretty simple to figure out? Thanks guys ! |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by Brewbrother on 09/09/07 at 16:16:21 911 radiomans brake pedal mod is the cheapest and easiest to perform. Autozone number 20730. about $3.00 |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/07 at 16:48:25 Bang for the buck? I would lean toward the HD muffler. Note tho, I didnt do that. I went for the Supertrapp. Not sure what I would do if I had it to do over. I do like the look of the Dyna muffler. The $$ saved over the trapp would pay for a lot of stuff. I really like the Trapp tho. The bike did slip the clutch a bit after the mods. Wheelies( unintentional) forced me to learn how to acelerate without going all out. Before the mods, I copuld drop the hammer on it & GO, Not wind it out & drop the clutch,, No, But reall go aggressively & no wheelie, Now, be careful on takeoff or get a wheelie! Luvvitt! |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by FreeSpirit on 09/10/07 at 16:19:41 Asking again :-) How do ya'll know when you search for a muffler,used or not,if it will fit the Savage? Is it pretty simple to figure out? I'm thinking moreso about the Supertrapp. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by Brewbrother on 09/10/07 at 16:38:40 read the forum. Its been established what mufflers fit the savage. Sportster and dyna muffs without the crossover fit the savage. If you see a harley muffler or a SE, ask the person selling it. My personal choice is an older sportster muff. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/07 at 20:28:20 Jump on the Trapp if you can swing the $$ easy enough. You wont regret it, BUT, save youself some freight & get the additional 6 disks, for a 14 total. The 8 that come with it arent enough. If you will post which one you are gonna order I, or others, will look & make sure it will fit, I di think there was a model or 2 they make that wont. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by FreeSpirit on 09/10/07 at 21:00:42 Brewbrother wrote:
Ok,I'm confused now.....which ones fit the Savage without any changes to be made?Re-jetting,etc. What are my choices? (And I'll listen to them in the tech section.) |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/07 at 21:34:58 Get the Supertrapp, get one that fits an LS650. Whoever takes the order will want a year model. Your bike will likely NOT be in their book as a known fit, Mine wasnt either, but it does. They may not yet have the S40 in their books, so, tell them its the LS650 Savage. IF they dont have the 06 in their book, If they do, great, if not, no biggeee, tell them you want a Trapp for an 04 ls650. or an 03, same thing. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by splash07 on 09/10/07 at 21:56:19 want cheap, pick up a turn down tip at auto zone stick it right on the header (can baffle if you want using a washer and thumb screw) must warn ya tho it is loud. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by Savage_Rob on 09/11/07 at 04:58:29 FreeSpirit wrote:
Let's put it this way... the LS650 is too lean to begin with and should be adjusted (and probably rejetted) just to run cooler and reduce/eliminate backfiring. Just about any replacement exhaust will increase airflow and make it leaner overall, which will necessitate retuning. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by verslagen1 on 09/11/07 at 06:56:34 FreeSpirit wrote:
Can you say... supertrapp. This one's a known bolt on change nothin else done deal. And it's tuneable, so when you do change the jet you're not stuck with a lump of steel. Add disks per instructions and ride. the worlds your oyster babe, go for it. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by S40NewYork on 09/11/07 at 09:30:23 I think the 2nd Cheapest is the Chrome Tank / Fender Trim - $10.00 or so. It's the same chrome stripping you put on the edges of car doors. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by Savage_Rob on 09/11/07 at 11:02:09 FreeSpirit wrote:
While not tunable like the Supertrapp, I have been very satisfied with my MAC (http://www.macperformance.com/store/product1.cfm?SID=3&Product_ID=669) and it costs about half what the Supertrapp does. The sound is good and it's an easy install. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by grandpa on 09/11/07 at 11:25:44 The header pipe is 1 3/4 " diameter. Of the two Harley mufflers I believe the Dyna muffler is the most direct bolt on. With a short adapter pipe you can use the factory muffler bracket and one bolt. Works fine in place of the factory two bolts. The factory muffler is pretty hefty. I have not seen the Sportser muffler but from what I understand the mounting is a little different. Just takes a good look and some minor adjustments to mount up. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by FreeSpirit on 09/13/07 at 17:58:33 Savage_Rob wrote:
So you dont have to change anything to put this one on? I do like the sound of it. |
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Title: Re: easiest mods to perform Post by Savage_Rob on 09/14/07 at 11:04:06 FreeSpirit wrote:
It is a free-flowing muffler, which will make your bike run leaner. That means you'll need to rejet and readjust the carb. Basically, if you swap to a #152.5 main jet and then readjust following Lancer's Straight & Simple Carb Tuning procedure in the Tech Ref forum, you should be good. You'll then have more power too. As I've said before, make sure you replace your exhaust gaskets as exhaust leaks will cause backfires too. There are few mufflers you won't need to rejet for. In general, if you don't need to rejet, you'll gain no performance with that muffler. |
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