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Title: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 08/28/07 at 00:43:48 Is there any way that I can modify the turn signal to beep when it is on?? I am so terrible about turning it off after I've turned a corner. I even tried doing the turn it off....turn it off....turn it off...mantra right after I turn it on so I won't forget to turn it off. Most of the time I've stopped my mantra halfway through the turn because one thing or another catches my attention. Night time is not to bad cause I see it out of the corner off my eye, but daytime is just hopeless! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by thumperclone on 08/28/07 at 04:38:48 thumperclone has a beeping turn signal relay(try retrobikes.com not sure if the plugs are the same tho)modify: thumperclone has only one turn signal indicator so that beeper probably wont work..j.c. whitney has one for $32... have seen a universal vibrating(woo woo!)one that mounts under the seat, dont remember which retailer |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/28/07 at 08:43:39 You could just sneak up & swipe a reverse beeper off a forklift, then you wouldnt need turn signals, just turn that beeping thing on, I said Beepin not bleepin, |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by verslagen1 on 08/28/07 at 08:54:23 Here's an idea I'm toying with... fleabay has stick on turn signal arrows for the mirror. Or get the mirrors with turn signals in the base. Or Ox eye bar end turn signals. ;D |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by KenGLong on 08/28/07 at 09:01:21 Here's a real easy fix that I've been thinking of doing to all my bikes. Drill a small hole in the back of the turn signal housing and mount an LED pointing right at my head. Wire it up with the appropriate resister and you have a flashing indicator that didn't require extensive wiring. Use silicone RTV to mount the LED and it will be waterproof too. If the LED is bright enough, you should be able to see it out of the corner of your eye. Ken |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by Paladin on 08/28/07 at 09:05:24 That's a good idea -- a lot cheaper than the auto shutoff thingies. You can get a 12V piezo buzzer for about $2 -- then it's just a matter of figuring out what wires to splice it into. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 08/28/07 at 09:21:01 My problem started when I put the bike speedo on the handle bar. I no longer looked at the tank. I tried mounting a couple of small LED strips on the mirrors (wired in parallel with the turn signals).. and that wasn't really effective. The mirrors get a "glance" and I wasn't always picking up the light. I tried putting them up on the windshield. Effective, but ugly. So, I moved the strips to the handlebar mounting bolts, right next to the bike speedo. That works ok, but I'm thinking doing the piezo buzzer thing as well, wired to the flasher. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by T-Mack1 on 08/28/07 at 09:45:19 One Piezo buzzer, two diodes, some wire and some splices. Run wires from front turn signal lights (positive or feed wire) thru diodes then tie together and run to the buzzer and then other buzzer lead to a ground (-). Diodes prevent one light from running the other. Get a loud enough buzzer! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 08/28/07 at 09:56:05 thumperclone wrote:
Thanks thumperclone! I found the beeper at J.C. whitney. $32.00 isnot bad if it saves my life! I also saw this there: http://www.jcwhitney.com/wcsstore/jcwhitney/images/imagecache/G_11744G_SW_1.gif;pv88ab98ca6137b638 I love it! It's a licence plate light that twirls when you brake!! I'm going to see what T-Mack's piezo thing is. but to have it simple and already made is kinda nice! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by T-Mack1 on 08/28/07 at 10:09:24 That license plate light might make a nice "third" brake light......always want people to see that I'm stopping........ |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 08/28/07 at 10:10:46 T-Mack1 wrote:
I will call radio shack this afternoon and see if they have any. What is a Diode? How would I stop this buzzer from getting wet? It rains here! lol |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 08/28/07 at 10:11:46 T-Mack1 wrote:
my sentiments exactly! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 08/28/07 at 10:33:10 T-Mack1 wrote:
If you come off the flasher (I think the LightBlue wire for positive side), you should be able to do it without the diodes.. The beeper can just be tie wrapped to the flasher under the tank. (I think that is where it sits on most models). Would that work? My main concern would be the extra load of the buzzer messing up the flash rate of the flasher. That could be a concern in either the diode hookup or flasher hookup. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by T-Mack1 on 08/28/07 at 11:04:11 I was thinking of not having to remove the tank, always a pain....... Yes coming off the flasher would work better and be a little less expensive. As for current draw, I think those piezo buzzers have real small draw, Radio Shack . com says 20 to 150 ma (that's milli-amp's.... like fractions of an amp). Lights are 18W (I think)....calculates to 1.5 amps each, a thousand times more draw that the buzzer. Shouldn't be a problem. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 08/28/07 at 11:22:49 Thanks.. I didn't check the current draw before I posted. Is the flasher buried that far up under the tank?? (haven't looked yet). I'd be tempted to just loop the wire around end of the prong on the flasher and then jam it back in.. and then chassis ground the other side. Naturally lazy. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by thumperclone on 08/28/07 at 18:13:55 islandwahine wrote:
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by FreeSpirit on 08/28/07 at 19:07:05 Off the subject a little but, Have ya'll seen/heard the thing you can put on a car/truck that sounds like a train/RR crossing with a train whistle blowing and the train chugging along...for when youre backing up? It definitely got my attention when I heard one. For one thing wasnt around a RR crossing or a train track :-) Something like that would be good on a Motorcycle,to get peoples attention....but dont know where you'd put it on the MC !? But now I know/guess why some people wear outrageous helmets/things glued to their helmets (?!) So people will slow down, look at them and get their attention/to be seen,maybe! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 08/29/07 at 01:41:37 youzguyz wrote:
Don't they sell those little connection gadgets with the teeth, so you can clamp it on an existing wire and draw energy from it without having to splice it open etc. Could those be used do connect the piezo buzzer? |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 08/29/07 at 01:42:42 thumperclone wrote:
LOL!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 08/29/07 at 04:54:17 islandwahine wrote:
Yep.. Radioshack has them: Snap Connector (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2104093&cp) Wallymart should carry something like it too. Usually in the automotive section. Handy things to have around, but I haven't needed them yet. I have just put the bare wire from whatever into a current connector, then closed it up again. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by Max_Morley on 08/29/07 at 09:56:15 Please reconsider using "scotchlocks" to share a wire. Then tend to cut some of the strands so create a point of greater than normal resistance in time. They are not sealed from the air & water so can corrode. Go to the closest bullet or flat connection and slid that small LED wire inside the male part and wrap it back over then reconnect. Secure and no harm done to the wiring. Max |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 08/29/07 at 12:03:22 And if you do consider using those "scotchlock" connectors, please consider using a "self-fusing" tape to keep out water and to hold everything from shifting. That kind of tape is fantastic for all kinds of things. We used to call it "million dollar tape" on the ship I worked on (seismic).. stuff ain't cheap!. But it sure grabs to itself and seals up nice! Here's a couple links for the curious: Pricey! (http://item.express.ebay.com/Industrial-Supplies_Parts-Hardware_Adhesives-Sealant_3M-scotch-70-self-fusing-silicone-rubber-electric-tape_W0QQitemZ7613975815QQihZ017QQptdnZAdhesivesQ20Q26Q20SealantQQddnZIndustrialQ20SuppliesQQadnZPartsQ20Q26Q20HardwareQQptdiZ1209QQddiZ1462QQadiZ1456QQcmdZExpressItem) Nice description (http://www.electrotape.com/electrical-insulating-tapes/electrical-tapes/electrical-tapes-40.html) |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by mark_k on 08/29/07 at 14:42:14 Do you think one of the VisiStop strips could be tapped into the turnsignal circuits and placed on either the lower windscreen or bars where it would be easily seen? I wouldn't think it would be too hard to attach it to the turn signal instead of the brake light circuit. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 08/30/07 at 04:29:25 mark_k wrote:
I don't know what a "VisiStop strip" is, but if just some LEDs in a strip, then.. yes. I used a couple of 5 LED strips (see above) and wired them in parallel with the front turn signals using the connectors inside the headlight bucket. As far as where to put them.. experiment and don't mount permanent or pretty until you are happy with the visibility. One other thing to keep in mind. SOME states have a hissy if you have red turn signal indicators visible from the front of the vehicle. If you have amber ones instead, no problem. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by Trippah on 08/30/07 at 04:47:51 Since I ride with a windshield, I was thnking about lava lamps and maybee running a line up to each side of the screen, maybee I could get a third of the shield to flash..that should get my attention. :D |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by WD on 09/01/07 at 12:40:48 You guys are overthinking this... Pull the flasher. Go to NAPA. Ask for an audible flasher relay with the same style blades. They make them for big rigs. -WD |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 09/03/07 at 16:02:17 youzguyz wrote:
Well, that didn't work. Picked up a 10ma beeper at Radio Shack and hooked up as described above. Apparently, that 10ma draw is enough to activate the flasher by itself. Not what I was looking for! I looked for a "beeper" or "loud" flasher at the local places. All they had were "loud" (and they were pretty big), and nothing matched the connectors. Guess I'll do the diode thing.. or just get a 2nd beeper. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 09/03/07 at 16:27:53 WD wrote:
I'll check into this! How hard is it to remove the flasher?? |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 09/04/07 at 06:52:29 islandwahine wrote:
Flasher (on my 2002 at least) is easy to find and remove. It is under the tank on the right side, towards the front. Square looking thing with a thin rubber mount around it. Has 2 wire connector that is on the bottom side. Wires are Light Blue and Orange. Lift up on the flasher to slide the rubber mount (and flasher) off the bracket. The connector has a tab that needs pushed down to remove it from the flasher. Good luck finding a flasher that has a beeper.. I couldn't find one. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by mark_k on 09/05/07 at 08:34:49 Added 2 12V Piezo electric buzzers in the turne signal circuit. First I spliced into the turn signal indicator lights at the connector. To release the connector from the plastic part, you use a small jewelers standard screwdriver to depress the little spring tab that locks it in, then you can remove it from the block and solder a small jumper wire in place, do this with the black and the green wires. http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007/09/05/bikepics-1014017-800.jpg I chose to complete the circuit by grounding in the mounting screw from the coil and mount the buzzers in place with a spot of clear silicone. http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007/09/05/bikepics-1014018-800.jpg You cannot feed both circuits into a common buzzer or they backfeed the other circuit and look like hazard flashers. You could use a single buzzer unit if you used diodes just before the buzzer to prevent backfeed, but two buzzers were cheaper than 1 buzzer and 2 diodes. Evaluation: Works well at lower speeds, but when accelerating away from a turn, they are somewhat hard to hear. I think either a louder buzzer - I am looking at ones from Allied Electronics, or I am also going to try a pair of 12V LED bars I got from Walliworld that are bendable and would attach to the edges of my windscreen. They should flash just like the cluster lights. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by Paladin on 09/05/07 at 09:59:29 What's the sound level db spec on the buzzers you used? |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 09/05/07 at 11:27:38 WD wrote:
Napa here has never heard of them, thy had one flasher unit that clicked. Well, that's not gonna work! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 09/05/07 at 11:30:12 mark_k wrote:
I guess it's hard to figure out exactly what you did unless I took a peek at my own flasher, so I can recognize the pics. All in all, electric stuff is not my forte! I might just go for the pre-made one! I would like a really loud one!! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by youzguyz on 09/05/07 at 12:20:23 I plan on doing mine this weekend.. I hope. The plan: Use a single beeper, rectifier (diode set), and a relay to disable the beeper when the brakes are applied. (I think it would drive me crazy to listen to that noise at a long light). I will be hooking into the rear turn signal connections under the seat. The cable to the beeper will be left long so I can try different locations on the bike to see where it is loud enough. RadioShack Part Numbers and wiring diagram will be provided. Maybe even pictures!! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by mark_k on 09/05/07 at 12:57:18 Paladin - Radio Shack says they are 75 db buzzers, but they don't sound like 75's. It may also be the mounting point on the frame under the tank. I am planning to switch them out for some LED's or use both. Allied Electronics has some 100 db at 100 cm buzzers that I am thinking about. I suppose if you used a relay from the brake lights to cut them out while you are stopped at the light, it might help the sanity. The LED's I found are 12V bar LEDS in the Walliworld auto bling section, they are tied to a power point or cigarrette lighter plug, but I will cut that off and tie them into the circuit. The first pic is the bike side connector to the instrument cluster in the gas tank. The second pic is the view from the left side of the bike with the tank removed, looking at the front portion next to the coil. The round thing just beside where the black wires terminate (hard to see black wires against black frame) under the screw is the coil. The wires have crimp hook connectors to allow me to use the coil mounting screw as my ground. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal? Post by islandwahine on 09/15/07 at 20:45:19 I finally got around to install the beeper! It's pretty darn loud and annoying! I'm bound to hear it! http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007%5C09%5C15%5Cbikepics-1025022-200.jpg |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by SteveRocket on 09/15/07 at 21:25:52 Which buzzer did you use? |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 09/16/07 at 00:02:48 SteveRocket wrote:
I purchased this one at JC Whitney. It's a bit pricey ($32), but really quick to install! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by Savage_Greg on 09/16/07 at 08:27:47 islandwahine wrote:
How did the buzzer connect? |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 09/16/07 at 10:28:15 Savage_Greg wrote:
Took off headlight, stuck the beeper on the left side of the frame, wrapped the 3 wires (2 red 1 black) with black electrical tape to make them less visible and ran them into the headlight bucket. Then I bared a tiny portion of both blinker wires (black on left and green on right side) and wrapped the bared tip of the red wires around each blinker wire and covered it with electrical tape, and connected the black (ground) wire to the black and white ground wire from one of the blinker wire. It was pretty quick! The sound it make has an aggravating pitch to it, but that's perfect! I'll actually hear it! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by Savage_Greg on 09/16/07 at 15:24:52 This is cool...a whole new generation of beeping Savages is replacing the old generation of backfiring ones. We're all gonna be mistaken for a forklift that's backing up :P What if you just hook the horn up? You'll get the attention of the other cars, and you won't forget to shut it off. Just kidding.... |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 09/17/07 at 11:13:01 Savage_Greg wrote:
No why didn't I think of that!! Would have saved me some money LOL! I drove around for hours yesterday doing errands, and used the turn signal a lot. At intersections I actually had people turn their heads to look at where the sound was coming from. ;D Then I left it on, on a longer straight stretch to see when I wasn't able to hear it anymore. At about 40mph I could barely discern it. But then again, I don't take turns in the middle of town going 40. All in all I'm really happy with it, and don't have to worry about someone pulling out in front of me cause I left the turn signal on. Now they will just pull out in front of me cause I'm only a bike! 8) |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by T-Mack1 on 09/18/07 at 05:56:52 Hmmmmmmm......Like the idea of people looking at where the sound is coming from......always want people to know that I'm there. Not so sure I could put up with the beeping...... |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by youzguyz on 09/18/07 at 06:22:31 T-Mack1 wrote:
That's why I have the "brake disable" on mine. I would go crazy at a long light listening to that thing. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 09/18/07 at 11:22:47 If I'm at a traffic light that takes a long time I can just turn the blinker of. Other then that, it's not like you have to have your signal only for longer then a couple hundred feet. The beeping is bearable for such a short amount of time. |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by T-Mack1 on 09/18/07 at 17:55:05 Brake disable? Like a NC relay that gets triggered by brake light power? For you non-technical's, NC= normally closed. When power is applied to the electro magnet in the relay, the contacts open and break the power feed to the beeper. Hmmmmmmmm I can see where this forum could break the bank..... |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by youzguyz on 09/19/07 at 02:42:52 T-Mack1 wrote:
Correct. Except I break the ground return from the beeper. Here is the way I did it: Beeping Turn Signal Install (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1189100000) |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by ebmiller2 on 10/28/07 at 09:34:53 My riding partner (my 74 year old cousin Ron) continually chastises me (I'm 67) for not turning off my turn signals. When I finally decided I'd had enough, I purchased a pair of M-80/M-100 Series 103 db buzzers (Miniature Piezo Alarms) for $8.21 each from Floyd Bell Inc. Here is a link to Floyd's WEB site: http://www.floydbell.com/products/m80.php Here is what the Buzzers look like. http://model-t-man.org/Savage/buzzer.JPG The installation is rather simple. After removing the seat look for the two pairs of Turn Signal wires. The Green wire with its friend the Black wire with the White trace. http://model-t-man.org/Savage/Turn%20Signal%20Wires.JPG When you find the Turn Signal wires, cut one pair, and strip the ends. Twist the two cut Green wires to the Red wire from the buzzer, solder and tape. Next, twist the two cut Black wires with the White trace wires to the Black wire from the buzzer, solder and tape. Now do the same thing to the second pair of Turn Signal wires. http://model-t-man.org/Savage/Solder%20and%20Tape.JPG Now secure the buzzers to something so they don't bounce around and replace the seat. I just taped them to some of the wire bundles. http://model-t-man.org/Savage/Buzzer%20Taped%20in%20Place.JPG The buzzers work like a charm. I will guarantee that you will never forget to turn off your Turn Signals again. When i was testing the installation, my wife cam running into the garage asking if I was causing all the noise. Now that the install is complete, and I'm cool and rested, I must admit that the 103 db buzzer may be an overkill. :) |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 10/28/07 at 10:31:56 Just thought of something!!! LOL!! You put your buzzers under your seat! Now I guess if those things really buzzed, you wouldn't need to hear them, you would actually feel them through the seat!! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by demin on 10/28/07 at 10:36:20 Yeah,but then you would have people leaving them on all the time,on purpose. ;D LOL |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 10/28/07 at 11:06:59 Yeah, butt massage while you ride!! Hey, that would take care of the soar butt issue!! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by Savage_Greg on 11/08/07 at 06:38:40 islandwahine wrote:
Making your butt "soar" is what riding is all about ;D |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 11/08/07 at 10:01:59 LOL I meant sore, but then again soar is more appropriate!! |
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by thumperclone on 11/08/07 at 10:51:09 islandwahine wrote:
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Title: Re: Beeping turn signal Post by islandwahine on 11/08/07 at 21:13:55 thumperclone wrote:
Let me go find a gal with a nice behind, I'll put her on my bike and send you the photo. :P |
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