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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Holy brakes Batman! /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1188078536 Message started by skatnbnc on 08/25/07 at 14:48:56 |
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Title: Holy brakes Batman! Post by skatnbnc on 08/25/07 at 14:48:56 My 2006 is at 3700 miles. I ride about 15 miles daily in city stop and go traffic. Look what I found today when I changed the brake pads! :o http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007/08/25/bikepics-1003681-800.jpg Oh yeah. Maybe that squeeking noise really WAS the pads (or in this case the lack thereof). Note the thickness difference in what is left of the original stock pads and the new EBCs. http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007/08/25/bikepics-1003680-full.jpg And may I add that the 'dealership' said the original pads should be good through 6000 miles? Huh. Right. Maybe true, if I was using my Fred Flintstone feet to stop the bike instead of the pads. :P One last thing - a huge THANK YOU to the Tech Section contributors WITH PHOTOS that helped me through this task. Girls, take note! The only thing I had trouble with was getting the piston back in place. None of my tools were wide enough to clamp it, and I was not strong enough to manually push it in, so I ended up placing a big fat wooden dowel into the bowl and hammered it in with a rubber mallet. Set the brake fixture on a prop (a short stepstool was my choice) for stability during this procedure. Mission accomplished. Now I am off to slowly putt around my block and get the new brakes set a bit. Whew! :) |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by drums1 on 08/25/07 at 15:15:31 Go to Menards and get yourself a 6" C-clamp. Not sure about bikes, but a lot of automotive caliper pistons are made of ceramic. If it is ceramic, they can crack real easy and then you buy a new caliper, so you don't want to beat on them. Use one of the old pads and the c-clamp to squeeze the piston back. Much easier, too. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by skatnbnc on 08/25/07 at 15:21:00 I did try using my C clamps, but could not get a decent grip on either side. I scratch damaged to the case trying to get the clamps to work. >:( The outer shell is curved, and the inside piston looks like soft brass which marred easily. None my my clamps worked, even using various pieces of wood and cardboard to pad the sides. However, using the old brake pad might have been an option. In any case, the wooden dowel and rubber mallet were used on a soft pine wooden stool, all of which muffled the blows. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by rokrover on 08/25/07 at 15:33:11 EXACTLY! See this recent thread: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=di splay;num=1186887735 The manual says to "Inspect" every 4,000 mi but you be long gone before then. Replaced my original set at 2,100 miles - right at the wear limit line. Maybe you'd get 4,000 if you rode cross country on the freeway using the brakes just once to stop at the destination >:( |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by islandwahine on 08/25/07 at 15:41:09 I took a peek at my break pads the other day when I had to get a new front tire. The pads themselves look fine, but the metal that holds them is flaking. Rust has gotten a hold of those. I'm not sure if that's going to affect my brakes. My back breaks are the ones that are squeaking when I use them. Not a good sign I suppose. Looked in the manual, but that job is just a tad too intimidating! |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by islandwahine on 08/25/07 at 15:43:25 skatnbnc wrote:
You are sooo lucky by the way, not to have had those breaks lock on you!! I,m not sure if they can do this on a bike, but I don't see a reason as to why not. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by drharveys on 08/25/07 at 16:22:58 I'm all for being economical, but maybe you did squeeze a few extra miles out of those pads! You certainly got your money's worth out of them. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by skatnbnc on 08/25/07 at 16:56:01 drharveys wrote:
LOL! Too true and I will squeeze a penny being Scots-Irish, but this is a bit much even for ME! <:^o BTW - the old ones were the original Suzuki pads, and it was hard to tell they were THIS bad until I took the caliper off. For safety, and because it is REALLY EASY to remove that part, it may be wise to check your pads a little more often than the manual and Suzuki dealer say to.... ;) |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/07 at 17:29:36 If you had placed each pad back in the calliper, you could have worked a wedge between & pried the piston back into position. Smacking on these items is not an okay thing. Glad you made it. I use C-clamp vise grips instead of C clamps. Much quicker to adjust & the job goes very quickly. They are cheap if ya get the Buffalo brand instead of Vise grip..Look in the discount bin at the auto parts store. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/07 at 17:42:03 OHH, yea, I forgot, Mine lasted 5,000 miles. You only got 3,700? Do you use the back brake at all? Is your front tire worn out? Have you mastered "Stoppies" on a Suzuki 650? How did you wear those dudes out so fast? |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by T-Mack1 on 08/25/07 at 20:07:41 Skatnbnc, The bottom right pad is showing signs of metal to metal contact. That's not good, wears the rotor fast....You should get the rotor measured. Manual says 4.0 mm (0.16in) limit. Also look for groves cut in the rotor. Grooves will cause minor premature wear on the new pads. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by Paladin on 08/25/07 at 21:10:27 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
Ride your own ride. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/26/07 at 02:39:49 How was the front bumper on that T-Bird? Maybe he was just hitting things instead of hitting the brakes? Light scoring in the rotor will cause a bit of wear on the first set of pads after the metal to metal contact, but it will polish down from the pad friction. I did that to several cars & didnt turn them. Had excellent barkes as soon as the pads wore to fit the grooves. Then, after it ate a set of cheap pads, I would put good ones on & as soon as they seated to the depth of the grooves, excellent brakes! |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by skatnbnc on 08/26/07 at 07:07:46 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
I think we need to add these hints to the Front Brake Pad thread in the Tech Section. I used what I had on hand, but if I had these other ideas I would have used them instead. I had my Clymers manual open to the front brake page, and the Forum Tech Section Front Brake Pad thread printed out and sitting next to that. Guess which one I referred to and understood best? The FORUM stuff because it was first hand and very useful with detailed pics. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by skatnbnc on 08/26/07 at 07:16:25 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
It wasn't me I swear! ;D I bought this Suzi from a girl who went up to a HD cruiser because she felt this bike was too "light". She also drove in traffic, and obviously had a heavy hand. I'm the one who skidded my BACK tire by using the BACK brake more during a quick stop. My front tire still has the little rubber 'hairs' sticking out, and the tread still sharply delineated. "The bottom right pad is showing signs of metal to metal contact. " I know, and it worried me as soon as I saw it. So I cleaned the rotor using a tissue and rubbing alcohol to inspect every milimeter for wear or roughness. Thankfully it seems that metal wear on the pad is fresh and did not seem to have made any groove in the rotor. The brakes have been fairly quiet up until a week ago, which is when I ordered the new pads. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/26/07 at 10:49:11 I replaced front pads at 5,000 miles. At about 7,500 or 8,000 I bought a new set & hung in the garage. I have them ready to install & it is finally time at 15,000 miles. Why did I buy them at about 8,000 miles? Cuz I dont like waiting on stuff when I need it now, so I keep spares. Just saying.. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by skatnbnc on 08/26/07 at 11:24:27 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
What? You mean you PLAN in ADVANCE?! ;D Actually I do too, so little by little the MC home repair kit is getting bigger, with more items in stock at hand as I go along. A big help has been the ability to read on the forum what is likely to happen at certain stages, and be able to check and prepare for it, like the cam chain for example. I'm not going to wait until the bike is whanging like a deisel freight train at 14K miles before I open that puppy up. In fact, one day I was reading here about the stock brake pads not lasting worth squat and hardly even a day later the really noisy front brake squeek started. Mind you, I had NO ISSUE until that new noise appeared. No major squeals, no pulling, no grinding, no problems stopping. But, based on what I read here about how fast the original pads wear out, I ordered new pads that night when I got home, and changed them out as soon as I could. Knowing in advance HOW to do that, with photos, and hearing about the problem from first-hand experience of other Suzi owners probably saved my brakes from freezing up entirely, and surely prevented an accident; which in turn is why I showed photos of how bad mine were. Getting a bike second-hand means you just don't know for sure what the previous owner did (or did not) do. And by golly if you got 2,500 on your bike, you 'might' want to pop the cylinder off soon for a look-see! |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by YonuhAdisi on 08/26/07 at 13:36:35 Those look like the brake pads on the FireLizard before I changed them out. PO obviously did not take care of it before he sold it to the pawn shop where I bought it. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by BOWDIER on 08/26/07 at 14:34:15 glad to see it was easy for you reading the site, will have to try it one of these days also, site pics nad instructions are great |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by Ed_L. on 08/26/07 at 15:47:06 Yea the stock front pads are junk, I had to replace mine on my '02 at 2,200 miles. They weren't worn down quite that bad but were shirt card-board thin. I think I used a big C clamp on the caliper piston. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by BigWes on 08/26/07 at 19:41:44 after you changed the breaks did they stop squeeking? |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by skatnbnc on 08/27/07 at 05:42:08 BigWes wrote:
It appears the new pads completely eliminated the squeeking. Problem is its been raining so hard I've not had a chance to work on setting the new pads yet, and have not tried a stop above about 5 mph. |
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Title: Re: Holy brakes Batman! Post by verslagen1 on 08/27/07 at 06:58:48 when you do, take it to a lonely road and do quite a few stops from speed to get a feel for the new brakes. And to make sure they're seated before you take to the streets. ;D |
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