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Title: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by surfa on 08/24/07 at 22:44:42 Hello - I'm looking for the easiest, quickest, cheapest way to improve the stock sound on my stock s40 savage. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by verslagen1 on 08/24/07 at 22:51:15 search 'harley take off' here's one http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?action=search2 there's a lot more |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by Savage_Greg on 08/25/07 at 07:40:38 1/2" drill bit and cordless drill? :P |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/07 at 08:34:36 It is well known that drilling this boat anchor rareley yields acceptable results.It eliminated the possible use of the stock muffler should that ever become a legal issue. For those who would say it cant happen, please note the current state of the protections offered by the constitution & how they are being ignored today versus just 10 years ago. No one knows what is coming. I wouldnt mess my stocker up. The HD takeoffs are the best deal, bang for the buck. You get a better sound, free flowing exhaust which translates to more power, & if you see it the way I do, the Dyna muffler looks dang good. I put a Supertrapp on mine, but it was $$ exSPENDsive. I think you will be plenty happy with the HD take off and it will weigh a lot less than that stock piece of poo & look better. So, gain performance, sound better, lose weight, all for less than $30.00? If that is an S40, then the stock main is like a 145? . Anyway, it's too lean, so you will need to rejet. It's easy, too. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by eglidegirl on 08/25/07 at 08:54:07 justin-0, can you please tell me which HD take offs (or other replacements) DO NOT require a rejet? Much obliged! |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by surfa on 08/25/07 at 09:22:29 Justin-O, Thanks for the info - yes indeed, can you share with us the answer for the quesiton on the previous post. Also, do you have pictures of what this looks like, and where can i purchase one. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by YonuhAdisi on 08/25/07 at 10:00:24 From what I understand, you can't change the muffler without re-jetting. This is just what I understand, I could be wrong. Just wait a little longer and I am sure several others will chime and either confirm or deny what I have just said. I personally am using a Jardine slip-on that a buddy of mine gave me and rejetted my carb using a 152.5 main and 55 pilot. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by slavy on 08/25/07 at 10:49:56 So how do You think You will get more flow without a rejet? There is no free lunch in this life. The stock bike is marginally lean. If You go for more flow/air/, You will have to give more fuel/rejet/. The only thing You can do is to install a short Sporty exhaust which will give You slightly louder and better sound and will keep just about the same flow. And knowing that HD has 2 pipes, You buy both. You punch the baffle from one and You keep other syock. Install the stockwithout rejetting. When You are ready to do some more work,Youo install the debaffled and You rejet. Or the other option is to stick to SUPERTRAP and keep as many plates,as it takes to run stock jetting. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by eglidegirl on 08/25/07 at 13:16:49 I thought I recalled reading somewhere there are one or two replacements that didn't require a rejet. That was the reason for my question. I too am a Mechanically challenged person looking for an easy fix so when I wear my FF Helmet, I can actually hear the bike... ;) |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/07 at 13:44:57 If you have the smarts to swap the muffler, you can rejet the thing. The main jet only requires the bowl be removed. That can be done with the carb still mounted. I used an offest screwdriver. It is bent 90* on each end. If you can find one that's phillips on both ends, great. I think the bike need jetted even if you keep the stock muffler. I am no whiz mechanic but I think the engine would last longer running a bit richer. IF it has the power you want as it is & all you really want is a better sound, then I guess what the last person said, about the sporty mufflers is the way to go. I dont lknow which mufflers are restrictive & which are free flowing, others have experience here. I did the Supertrapp myself. Buying 2 mufflers is an option if you dont want to do the whole thing at once, but I would start by rejetting richer & then stick an exhaust on. It wont hurt that thig to run rich a week or two.Then, when you replace the muffler, watch the inside of it at the end & see if it's got soot or if it's pretty clean inside. Start by l;ooking inside the stocker. Drag a finger in it & see how clean it is. Pull the plug & look at it. then rejet. Watch the exhaust for soot, Check the plug after a few days of riding, get a few huindred miles on it.Stick a new plug in when the muffler goes on. Make it easy on yerself, do the spark plug door now, the first time you pu;ll the plug. Piece of cake. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by Jack_650 on 08/26/07 at 06:30:47 I put a Sportster muff on my bike about 7k miles ago and haven't gotten around to any carb adjustments yet. Runs fine and only sounds a little louder than I would like. No complaints from the neighbors. I don't know what was done to the carb and such before I bought it used with 9k miles on it two years ago and it's coming up on 23k now. If you want to see what it looks like on the bike here's a few pix of the Thunder Bee. http://bikepics.com/members/jazzcarter/00savage/ Jack |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by eglidegirl on 08/26/07 at 14:20:18 Thank you guys! Appreciate your input. New muffler may become part of the winter project as well. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by geo on 08/26/07 at 17:31:33 Put a SuperTrapp on it!! You will be amazed at the increase of power. Don't exceed 8 discs with stock jets. Rejet the carb, and you can add more discs and get even more power. Also, put a K&N air filter on it for even more power at higher engine speeds. This little 650 can be pushed to a lot more power with some fairly simple mods. The big one is the exhaust. By the way, the SuperTrapp weighs 10 pounds less than the stock muffler. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by T-Mack1 on 08/26/07 at 19:24:42 So to anwers the question "which take off" Harley Dyna Muffler. My freind has a 2006 and I measured it today. The Harley mounting bracket on the muffler is slotted and the slot will allow the bolts to line up. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by tbear on 08/27/07 at 15:27:20 Ride behind a Harley! ;D |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by eglidegirl on 08/27/07 at 15:30:33 I DO! ;D Someday I'll be riding one...maybe I should put that mod off, nah...I'm keepin my BLUEZUKI... |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by Savage_Greg on 08/27/07 at 15:53:34 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
That was a tongue and cheek question, you know. I imagine that you know that I didn't do that to my own bike. There are a few above that have mentioned the method I'd suggest, but in the end it always boils down to a discussion of how to do it cheap and lazy. I should have suggested buying a used muffler that someone else didn't want, right? :P Sorry. This topic is just another "Never heard of....". |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by Savage_Greg on 08/27/07 at 16:02:53 justin_o_guy2 wrote:
That won't work too well if the bowl has never been removed before. Screws are too tight. You'll never get enough leverage on an offset screwdriver and just round off the heads. Go ahead, pull the whole carb the first time. Then you can actually see what you're doing, change the spacer, main and pilot jets and then close it all up with allen head bolts instead. Besides, you can actually see what you're doing that way, and you'll learn something in the process. The allen heads will then be there to just drop the bowl next time. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/07 at 18:34:56 Get some anti sieze to have in the garage & some blue loc-tite, too. Gregs likely right about the first time with the bowl screws. If I remember, I had to fight & went with an impact. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by cglenn on 08/29/07 at 17:04:16 assuming the use of a stock Harley Dyna muffler what jets need to be changed and what size ? Come you guys who have done the hard work of figuring it out share the wealth. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by theikeman on 08/29/07 at 20:58:24 surfa wrote:
Easiest way: Get rid of stock muffler Cheapest way: Used Harley dyna muffler Works every time, make sure you buy a "baffled" dyna muffler or you will need to re-jet. FYI Ike ;D |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by murphy77 on 08/29/07 at 21:52:37 Hey all, That's what I installed, a " baffled " HD Dyna muffler. No need to rejet. Sounds and runs great. $50 on Ebay. Take care...Dennis |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by grandpa on 08/30/07 at 01:46:49 I put a dyna muffler on my '06 and rejetted to a 55 pilot and 152.5 main. Shaved the spacer to 1/2 thickness. You can feel a huge difference in performance and I am still more than 50 mpg. I used a 1 3/4 x 1 3/4 exhaust pipe adapter from Autozone to connect between the header and the muffler. Had to use red high temp silicone to get a good seal. This winter I am taking it apart and having a proper adapter bent and then have it all welded up. With the 'zone adapter you will have just enough room in the slot on a dyna muffler to get one bolt in the mount. I do not have enough play at the header to cylinder head to keep at good seal. I am right at the edge and really have the pipe in more of a bind than I care too. Went to one muffler shop while I was doing the install and they didn't even want to talk about doing any work at all. I got frustrated and did the best I could on my on. I really like the sound of the dyna muffler. It's deeper but not so loud that the neighbors will talk bad about you. Does drive one of the neighborhood dogs crazy but you can't please them all!! Search the tech section for the muffler swap. It's straight forward. I was lucky enough to aquire a complete dyna header pipe with heat shields and all. I cut one of the heat shields that was straight enough to size where it had the clamp on the back side. Dab'd a little black rustoleum along the edge I cut and it looks pretty much factory. You can buy aftermarket heat shields as well. Good luck!! |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by T-Mack1 on 08/30/07 at 05:13:19 Ike, Murphy77 & Grandpa, Did you use the stock Dyna like EBay item 330159648278 that are tappered on both ends? I want to get rid of the whistle in my pipe, but don't want the super loud noise level. (this all came to a head last weekend when I pulled into my friends driveway and he said he thought I was the neighbors ATV or minibike,..ouch.) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=330159648278 I do see some flat black ones in both the tappered style and the slash cut style for you bobber guys. item:190145370163 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=190145370163 and Item: 200147260414 (not sure if this one has the brackets) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&item=200147260414 |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by eglidegirl on 08/30/07 at 07:16:20 theikeman wrote:
Thanks for confirming that I wasn't dreaming. There is at least one that didn't require a rejet. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by Holodeck on 08/30/07 at 08:38:20 When I got my 02 last summer I read on the forum that there is not much difference between the dyna and stock as far as back pressure goes. I ran the dyna without a rejet for 5k and had no problems. |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by murphy77 on 08/30/07 at 08:39:33 Hello T-Mack1, Yes, I used the exact stock double tapered muffler, you're showing in your Ebay link. Did the soda can strips to fill the gaps and used Permatex ultra copper high temp. silicone for a perfect leak free seal. Love the sound...Dennis |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by T-Mack1 on 08/30/07 at 09:22:06 Murphy77, Thanks!! Just have to get the better half to understand......maybe I can use the Safety thing, "But honey, they will know I'm there better because they will be able to hear me better......." |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by WD on 09/01/07 at 12:33:09 I run a 12 inch glaspack (without packing) and a baffled 29 inch fishtail pipe. 155 main, 55 pilot. Smokes like an older diesel now at idle. I'm jetting it down a step this afternoon, both circuits. Have not messed with the spacer, pretty sure I need to. Jets are cheap. Mufflers and such relatively so. Take your time, ask Lancer and Greg if you run into problems, both are fair hands with carb work. -WD |
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Title: Re: Easiest way to improve exhaust sound Post by LANCER on 09/01/07 at 14:55:04 T-Mack1 wrote:
Absolutely, it is definitely a MATTER OF PERSONAL SAFETY ! ;D |
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