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Message started by jotrac on 06/05/07 at 04:05:54

Title: Question on Brake Pads
Post by jotrac on 06/05/07 at 04:05:54

Inspection is coming up. I am embarking on my next adventure in wrenching. I have ordered EBC front brake pads but am not sure I got the right ones.

The package says FA 106 at the top. The pad itself is marked FA106X but there is no groove down the middle of the pad like is shown in Greg's replacement instructions.

The package has a yellow sticker that says: CAUTION Always match pads across the front axle on ATVs. Do not mix red pads with other pads on front.

Are these for ATV's? Or do ATV's use the same pads? Sorry if this seems dumb but it's my first time with brakes.

Thanks for any help.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Reelthing on 06/05/07 at 06:19:17

There are 2 or 3 that have the same base plate but the pad is thicker than the savage uses - I ended up with a too thick set once myself - so just as a quick check is the pad thicker than the base plate? if so it's unlikely they will fit

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by klx650sm2002 on 06/05/07 at 06:20:04

Don't know about the specific fitment but I use EBC pads+discs and like them.

Clive W :D

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by justin_o_guy on 06/05/07 at 06:32:01

Well, My EBC's I have hangin in the garage say the same thing. FA106,, no X, No groove, sticker about ATV's, pad thicker than steel backing.. Either yours are gonna work, TOO, or mine aint gonna work, EITHER! Lemme know how that goes,, okay? These were ordered from a local shop. So far they have never handed me a wrong part. I hope these work out.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Greg_650 on 06/05/07 at 06:40:27

jotrac wrote:

Well, how about this? If your bike isn't your only form of transportation, then leave the pads in the package and and remove the brake caliper for a closer look.

The part number is correct, but not having a groove along with the ATV warning sounds strange.

Didn't I put this photo in the other topic? With my grainy old camera, here's the part number...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/Brake10web.jpg

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by justin_o_guy on 06/05/07 at 07:08:57

Hey HEEY! I see on the backing plate it says FA106 X , so I guess that means I am in Bizzniss,,I hope you are too. Look closely, the markings are pretty faint.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Max_Morley on 06/05/07 at 10:12:47

Seems like those numbers and ATV warning were on the set I just installed and they are working fine. Max

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Reelthing on 06/05/07 at 10:36:33

if you end up with the thick ones you'll know it - the pads are at least twice as think as the base - not any room left for the rotor - think I still have them some place I'll try to find them this evening and check the part number - can't remember if they were ebc or not

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by verslagen1 on 06/05/07 at 11:25:03

I beleave the fa106x is the ceramic pads, although mine are red.

The thick ones are fa106/2, don't get those.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by smokey02 on 06/05/07 at 12:34:02

FA106X is the right one, they have lasted over 8K so far
http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007%5C04%5C26%5Cbikepics-877331-full.jpg

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by jotrac on 06/05/07 at 14:07:54

Thanks all of you!!
Mine look just like Smokey's and the pad is definitely not double the plate thickness.
I think I have the right ones :D and will be installing this weekend.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by ND on 06/05/07 at 14:57:56

The same thing happened to me when I ordered a set from Bike Bandit. In fact it's happened twice. The first time they made it right and sent me the right ones. The last time they told me that the reason they sent the red ones was because they were out of the FA106 and FA106X is an "acceptable" replacement. I sent them back and then Bike Bandit said they couldn't get the right ones. If you go to EBC website you'll find that the red pads with the X are designed more for motocross, and they say they won't last as long as the right ones. They might have put a sticker on the pads that say FA106, but they are what they are marked on the pads themselves, FA106X. I don't recall seeing any other pads designed for street application that were red. They might work, but they are not the primary application pads for the Savage. My .02.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by georgekathe on 06/05/07 at 18:36:24

don't forget to smear some anti-squeal grease on back of pads (careful not to get any on front) - available from a local autoparts store in a little toothpaste like tube. :)

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Windrider on 06/05/07 at 22:52:22

I didn't use the blue stuff on the back of the pads...do I really need it?

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by youzguyz on 06/06/07 at 04:26:41

windrider -
If the brakes don't start squealing, not a problem.
If the squeal doesn't bother you, not a problem.

ND -
This is strange. The picture Greg posted shows the FA106X, and they are grey and have the groove.
Smokey2 posted picture of FA106X, red and no groove.
I bought mine from here:
http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/detail.cfm?Category_ID=125&manufacturer_ID=352&product_ID=13194&model_ID=103

Cruiser Customizing does not even show that they stock the FA106X, only the FA106.
The picture shows grey w/ grove. The ones I got were red and no grove. Package has long since been tossed. I am ALMOST curious enough to pull the brakes to see what is on the back.

Title: areRe: Question on Brake Pads
Post by ND on 06/06/07 at 10:15:34

You're right - it is strange. Obviously the pads are interchangable, but the EBC web site does state that pads with an X are somewhat different in that (if I remember correctly) they won't get as hot as fast and that they don't last quite as long. As I stated, Bike Bandit was able to send me the FA106 pads a couple of years ago, but this is the letter I got last time.
"Thank you for your business with BikeBandit.com. Unfortunately, we will be unable to supply you with the correct brake pads as our suppliers stock has been completely depleted and do not have an expected availability date for the correct item. I have entered a credit for the total amount of $25.00 for the cost of the brake pads. This credit can take up to 7-10 business days to appear on your credit card statement. I assure you that this is not normal course of business and we sincerely apologize on behalf of the supplier for the error we were unable to correct."

Anyway, ride safe.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Greg_650 on 06/06/07 at 11:23:40

Why does EBC make 2 different brake pads with the same part number?

As I remember, my pads came from a dealership.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/06/07 at 11:37:50

Greg_650 wrote:

Why does EBC make 2 different brake pads with the same part number?

Maybe different compositions? Possibly one is sintered metal and the other ceramic or one is organic and the other sintered metal? I don't know... just guessin'.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by youzguyz on 06/06/07 at 12:11:15

More out of curiosity than anything else, here is what I found: Read and be as ??? as I.

According to the .pdf from EBC, the FA stands for Street, and the X stands for Off Road.

FA106 - $19.95 - Kevlar Organic
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/mcstreetpads.html

FA106X - $20.95 - Carbon Graphite
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/mcoffroadpads.html

Prices from here:
http://www.mawonline.com/ebc.htm

And they have a slightly different take on what the useage is:

FA106:
EBC Standard Brake Pads
EBC Carbon Graphite Pads are blended with Kevlar fiber and Graphite particles impregnated with bronzed Graphite powder to enhance lifetime. The Carbon Graphite construction ensures a cool operation of the disc pad, reducing heat transfer to the brake caliper and system hydraulics. These pads have been the choice of World Champion Motorcross riders for many years. Excellent brakes for faster motorcross and enduro racing.

FA106X:
EBC Carbon "X" Brake Pads
Carbon graphite "X" pads for leisure/sport use. Lowest price point EBC pad. Lowest heat generation. Best for fast dry riding, not for mud, wet or sand.

More than too much info for me. My bike stops nicely. :P

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/06/07 at 12:49:32

Okay, so organic and sintered metal.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by youzguyz on 06/06/07 at 13:38:51

Read all about it.. and draw your own confusions:
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/Assets/2007usamc.pdf

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Scottwerty on 06/06/07 at 20:50:54

I put the red EBCs on last year no problems and mine even had the grove in them. No problems stopping yet ;D

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by justin_o_guy on 06/12/07 at 15:29:14

Well, Crummm. I wasnt looking for anything to wonder about. Now, I have to wonder, if the X doesnt last as long, does it stop better? I guess I better go run a stoping test & see what it does before I swap.

Title: Re: Question on Brake Pads
Post by Savage_Rob on 06/13/07 at 05:57:33

I've had DP sintered metal pads on mine for about 7500 miles and will install SBS ceramic pads when I replace them.