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Title: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by jshm on 05/27/07 at 18:11:39 Hello. I just looked at a 96 savage with 23,000 miles. it seemed to run realy well ,but I am wondering how many more miles i could expect out of the bike if i treat it well. thanks |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Reelthing on 05/27/07 at 18:56:52 likely due for a new cam chain and at least clutch springs - if it's had clean oil in it should run a long time yet. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/27/07 at 19:39:50 I rode Stinger's the other day. Wound her up for some steady 70 mph too. Pulled strong and steady throughout. Funny too. He has a 2002 with 25,000 miles. He has never had the "plug leak" which was amazing too. Not a drop on his super clean motor. He also hasn't opened it up to look at the tensioner or cam chain. He's going on a ride in the near future and we're gonna take a look at the tensioner after he gets a cover gasket. Maybe that answers the question somewhat....here's a bike that has had no repairs and has more miles. Doesn't mean that your bike might not need some tinkering in the future, but the potential is good. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by jshm on 05/27/07 at 20:06:27 Thanks for the info that helps alot. Im stuck between the 96 with 23k for 1500$ or a 2007 with 60mi for 3400$ that extra 1900$ is a big chunk but it my be worth it. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by justin_o_guy on 05/27/07 at 20:07:25 Reel? Clutch springs wimp out that quick? Is this common in other bikes? |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by verslagen1 on 05/27/07 at 20:09:42 There's been mention of over 90k miles. Mine's 21k and still thumping. ;D |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/27/07 at 20:32:58 jshm wrote:
A 2007 with 60 miles that is down $900 from sticker? New is nice. $1900 is nice. New wears off quick. Depreciation is instantaneous. What does that mean? |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by barry68v10 on 05/28/07 at 03:09:00 How much you gonna ride it, and how long you plan to keep it? Those are the two most important questions here. If you ride a lot AND plan to keep it a long time, buy the newer bike. It's a no-brainer. With the way MOST people ride (seldom, weekends only) you should buy the 1996 since it will still outlast most riders with "minimal" modification/mnx. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Unicorn on 05/28/07 at 03:40:56 Hello, I'm new on this forum and I have just bought an '88 Savage a couple of months ago with 65,000 km, that handles pretty well. I do not know what problems have had before me, but I just bought it, changed the oil & filter, the front brake plates and it was almost ready to go (unfortunately I have some charging problems which I hope I will solve soon...). |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Reelthing on 05/28/07 at 05:19:14 justin_o_guy wrote:
It looks to be time and not miles - likely can just shim them with washers - if the clutch starts to slip a little - at least on these older bikes - the newer one may have tougher springs. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/28/07 at 05:59:22 Reelthing wrote:
On the older bikes, it might also mean worn plates too. Guess what, I just checked Ron Ayers. Compared the clutch spring for 1988, 2000 and the 2005, and all have the same part number. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by KenGLong on 05/28/07 at 09:07:58 Greg_650 wrote:
I would be real interested to know what you find in there. We don't have enough information to draw any conclusions yet but this would be a valuable data point. Ken |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/28/07 at 22:21:39 KenGLong wrote:
Yeah, I'm curious too... I adjusted his valves a month ago and changed a jet. He had put on a SuperTrapp exhaust. That's all I know...and all that it seems has been done to his bike too. I'll be sure to take notes....:P |
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Title: Re: Long Life?i jus Post by stinger on 05/29/07 at 01:39:03 I dont know why ive been so lucky with my bike. I ride the hell out of it! 25,000 miles total, 15,000 of it all in last year. Most of it at speeds above 65. Not a drop of oil anywhere. Rear brakes are still above 50% wear and have never had the dreaded speedo rattle. Pretty much all Ive done is change the oil every 1,000 miles. Gonna make a run from Oregon to South Dakota next month then Ill have Gregg check out the cam chain. If its ok, Im gonna seal it back up, and ride it till this winter then change it. My goal is to hit 40,000 by that time. Im not fixin nuttin if it aint broken! |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by justin_o_guy on 05/29/07 at 19:24:23 Hey, Stinger, how much does it cost you to do an oil change? |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/29/07 at 19:54:45 Hey, Justin, how much does it cost you to do an oil change? Now, you know that the cost varies with the oil and where you get the filter, or whether you (ouch) take it to a dealer.... Oops. I'm just curious about such a response to Stinger's story. No doubt he has changed the oil 20+ times. He doesn't skimp on his bike...(he even uses a steam cleaner on it...it's spotless) Besides, if you saw the photos and heard the details of his round trip through the Dakotas, Missouri and Illinois last summer, you'd understand. He ventures out when most of us stay home. He even gets chased by open range horses when he goes on a ride. Stinger rides the crap out of his Savage. I think he is doing his own product evaluation on that 2002 :P |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/29/07 at 20:11:28 Besides, I keep asking him to let me open it up and look at that tensioner, but it seems dam near impossible to get the guy out of the saddle....except for when he let me ride it :) I keep hoping he'll let me do it before he goes on his next ride... |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by justin_o_guy on 05/29/07 at 20:31:53 I have a reason for the question Greg. I expect you know where its headed. I am curious about the cost of all those oil changes, versus the benefit of extended life. So, I want to know what HIS costs are.I know mine. You dont mind do you? |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/29/07 at 20:48:16 justin_o_guy wrote:
I know, I know.... My point is that we can debate oil change frequency and with 4000 members, none of will agree. Never do. None of us even agree on "oil type". Oil preference questions are just plain boring anymore. That question just seemed like asking how often you brush your teeth. He likes every 1000. I don't do that, but he does. It seems a little excessive to me, but it's really irrelevant. I'm thinking that there is a certain amount of wear that's gonna occur even if you change it once a week. Me, I usually change it when it looks ugly in the sight glass. If Stinger says he does it every 1000, then just figure $10 per change times 25....$250. If there are any benefits, we'll know when he lets me take a look inside. Just have to get him off it :P |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by justin_o_guy on 05/29/07 at 21:25:11 Well, at $10.00 he would have spent about $165.00 over what a guy spends if he does it every 3,000 miles. Now, the question becomes( for me anyway) What maintenance costs were avoided by that expense? When you look in & check things out, then there may just be a good example of where to spend the money. On oil changes of great frequency or, just go with recommended changes & do the maintenance. Be waiting on the report from within. The hard one will be the long term effects on things like cylinder walls & rings, main bearings & tranny parts. The cam chain, if it's in good shape, would be a good 'canary in the coal mine" for the rest O the engine. I am starting to develop a bit of an oil surplus here, with a backhoe, riding lawnmower, & 2 bikes. I would like a good way to dispose of it that doesnt cost me. That & hauling it to town is about a drag. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/29/07 at 21:34:36 justin_o_guy wrote:
Are you cursed? It's gotta be tough. You just plain think too much. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by justin_o_guy on 05/29/07 at 22:23:45 Just about the time I start thinkin maybe you are okay, you go & help me remember why I doubted it in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/07 at 22:38:49 I'd look at the cam chain adjuster before you go. It's the last thing you want to go pop on a long trip. |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/29/07 at 22:44:08 justin_o_guy wrote:
Works both way. When you finally grow up you'll remember that I helped you get there |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by Greg_650 on 05/29/07 at 22:48:12 verslagen1 wrote:
I know...I can't talk him into going in there first. Read what he wrote..."Gonna make a run from Oregon to South Dakota next month then Ill have Gregg check out the cam chain." I try. Maybe it's like cancer, no one really wants a colonoscopy either :P |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by justin_o_guy on 05/29/07 at 23:42:26 So Greg, what happened here? someone who just doesnt have your ability to be concise & to the point get hold of your keyboard? Or, maybe you just feel like you can say thing to others about things, even though you do those very things? Where I am from we call that trait "hypocritical" . Hey, Man...good job! And I'm here to tell you how good. Can you say "KISS"? Now mind ya, I'd been holding out for some sophisticated, creative replacement like a countershaft spacer from a 1955 Black Vincent....but alas, I couldn't find that bike. ( pretty chatty crap, wheres the point) After your post, I picked up 2 - 7/8" flat washers at True Value Hardware. Not the hardened ones, but just plain old flat washers...but who cares. Now, the countershaft measures about .965" and the plain old washer measures about .935" (clearance for .875"). Just a tiny bit too small....more to do...get Dremel Tool, vise grips, and beer. ( got to keep it sounding friendly, or someone might start thinking you are too full of yourself) With a beer and the carbide bit is going around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around, and around... What;s THIS crap about? are you cursed man? ]the job was soon complete. 2 flat washers installed, nut torqued, and tab lock washer bent. Done. ( Wheww, I was getting scared for a while that it was gonna Eat you alive, sure glad you made it)_ I had been holding out with the idea of being creative, but I didn't want to spend a bunch of money either. Essentially, I had a mental block and you jarred me out of it. My "spacer" cost me $1.20, plus a beer (but that was inevitable anyway) Tongue Thanks again. PS - the OD on the washers is ~1.775". Just a little bigger than the tab lock washer. Forget about cutting down a $13-15 sprocket and just open up a couple washers, instead. « Last Edit: May 28th, 2007, 9:48pm by Greg_650 » |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by stinger on 05/30/07 at 02:16:27 OK! Jeez! Ill have Gregg check the cam chain! The reason I said I change the oil alot is cause I do alot of high speed riding and sometimes all day long. Its not written in stone that I do it that often. Depends how Im riding. Just seems to me with a single cylinder runnin hot and at high rpms all day, the oil is gonna break down quickly. I only pay like $2 a qt for oil for the bike so it isnt no big deal. Only takes 5 minutes, and my bike runs smoother and quieter. Besides I can rectify the expense cause I only change the oil in my car ever 100,000 miles. Also, and thanks gregg! :( I bought my mom a small steam cleaner about the size of a coffee pot. Gregg asked me how I kept my bike so clean, I must wash it every day. Actually I washed it maybe 3 times all last year. I just use this little steam cleaner on it after a long dirty ride. Cleans all the bugs, road tar, and dirt and uses hardly any water. I know it sounds gay but it works! Washing is too much work, Im lazy! |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by stinger on 05/30/07 at 02:28:31 Im beginning to think that colonoscopies and cam chains have a lot in common. Both scare the crap out of me! I didnt even know what a cam chain was till I came in here! |
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Title: Re: Long Life? Post by justin_o_guy on 05/30/07 at 05:43:47 I only pay like $2 a qt for oil for the bike so it isnt no big deal. Only takes 5 minutes, and my bike. This is why I asked about your cost of oil change. I wasnt trying to crucify you for what you were doing. Actually, I had a few things on my mind when I asked. I am willing to consider changeing what I do, IF someone else is doing it differently & it works better,. I am open. So, If I dare ask, what oil are you running for 2 bucks a quart & do you change the filter with each oil change? |
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Title: http://www.ls-650.de/Thumperbike/htmRe: Long Life? Post by vtail on 06/01/07 at 13:20:57 http://www.ls-650.de/Downloads/TBKS3.zip. This is a possible solution if you tend to keep your bike a long time. 269 euro's. http://www.ls-650.de/Thumperbike/html/body_steuerkettenspanner.html :) |
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Title: Re: http://www.ls-650.de/Thumperbike/htmRe: Long L Post by Savage_Rob on 06/01/07 at 13:49:17 vtail wrote:
These are already discussed in one of the long cam chain tensioner threads. In fact, Kropatchek has this on his Savage and I tried several times to get pricing to the U.S. from the inventor but he doesn't seem to want to reply to my emails. I like the Slavy/Verslagen1 fix just as well, if not better, than this. It's simpler, cheaper and easier to implement. |
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Title: Re: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by verslagen1 on 06/01/07 at 14:37:26 I hope someone fixes the title. :P |
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Title: Re: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by vtail on 06/01/07 at 17:24:38 I,m a newbie. where can I find that "slavy/verslagen" fix on this webside. Thanks |
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Title: Re: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by barry68v10 on 06/01/07 at 17:50:34 vtail, look in the tech section under cam chain library ??? or some very similar title... |
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Title: Re: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by vtail on 06/01/07 at 18:05:09 Thank you |
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Title: Re: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by verslagen1 on 06/01/07 at 18:24:39 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1176999168 Every thing you've wanted to know. ;D |
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Title: Re: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by Holodeck on 06/02/07 at 07:49:46 Stinger, Would you post some info on the steam cleaner. With all the nocks and crannies in a motor bike they sure are a pain to clean. Sound like this would be a handy tool for lots of stuff, thanks. Holodeck |
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Title: Re: What can I expect out of my Savage? Post by Jonny_Chicago on 06/03/07 at 10:20:50 Just another opinion, I paid 1500 for my 96 with 4500 miles on it. Look at the kelley blue book, they usually are a rule of thumb, at least for me :) Good luck! Jonny P.S. Check out ebay, amazing bikes for cheap. Thats where I got mine |
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