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Title: Tires Post by Doc_Holliday on 05/13/07 at 22:43:04 Ok, ive been reading alot on here about tires and i just keep getting more confused. I need new tires and i think im going to buy them online and get them put on somewhere. I want a tire that is good and grippy, not terribly expensive and that will fit on the savage without any hassle(bolts removed ect.) The dunlop 404's were what i was looking at but im reading that they are a little too wide and not good in the rain. Basically ive confused myself with information overload...lol. Im not too picky about my tires, just dont want to go with the OEM ones because everyone says they are sub par. If someone could give me a few quick suggestions it would be appreciated. thanks in advance. -DOC |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by slavy on 05/13/07 at 22:57:02 Without any doubt I'd recommend Metzeller ME880 |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by barry68v10 on 05/14/07 at 04:06:55 I recommend this tire at jcwhitney.com: Style H Rear Tube or Tubeless Street Tread Tire (SIS: 5.00/5.10x15"; MS: 130/90H15; RRW: 3.00; LR: 660) ZX621982T Each $49.99. If you buy 2, you get free shipping. They are reported to outlast the original and provide good rain performance. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Paladin on 05/14/07 at 06:18:03 I had a D404 on the rear (got 8-9,000 miles out of it) and have one on the front. No clearance problems on my Y2K and the only time I've lost traction was on wet steel and wet painted lines. I will likely stay with the D404. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by justin_o_guy on 05/14/07 at 06:33:14 I just ordered the D404, $95.00 + tax & 30 to mount & ballance. The guy is renting me a trailer for $20.00 / day which is a $10.00 break, so I can stand to let him make his labor on the mounting. I'll report on the D404 as soon as i can. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by georgekathe on 05/14/07 at 09:27:28 Paladin - for when I need a new rear - what size 404 did you put on the rear please & when you say there was no clearance problems on your Y2K does that mean your bike is standard (only as far as your rear fender, that is - suspect like all of us you have done some mods or other!!!!) what size was it, please? to answer original question - have a 404 on the front of my Savage & though cannot give its longevity (not been on there for a kazillion miles - yet I hope!) - am happy with grip. saying that - agree Metzelrs are the way to go judging by their performance on other bikes I've had - just wish they were not so pricey (@ time of changing my front tire I just did not have the $$, so settled on what I thought/think was 2nd best. know some might say not wise but "a man's gotta do...!") |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by youzguyz on 05/14/07 at 10:10:05 I don't know how much this will help. I just (150 miles ago) put on 404's front and rear. The rear is 140/90-15. No clearance problems that I am aware of.. but I should check (look for scrape marks where the bolts may have hit). My bike is pretty stock: year: 2002 Rear shocks are set 1 notch below "hardest". I had my daughter on the back yesterday for some practice with the new tires. I didn't go over any nasty bumps or RR tracks.. so not a full test of "clearance" yet. I did get caught out in the rain last Thursday. I didn't have any issues with wet road handling.. but I don't (and won't) ride hard in the rain anyway. Sure was fun to go splashing through puddles though!! |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by spike on 05/14/07 at 10:15:38 I know what they are saying about sub par on the originals. I have 3700 on mine and the are about shot. I thought something was wrong, was checking things and scratching my head on why. Well now I know it's just the tire quality. No not every one has done mods. I can't afford any, well unless you want to count a back rest. I alway got my tire @ Dennis Kirk not to bad of price or qual but I'm interested in finding better chearer tires. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Reelthing on 05/14/07 at 11:12:13 Certainly toss my hat in the ring for the ME880's - depending on what the bike is used for - if your going to put a lot of hard miles through what ever - like a daily 50 mile commute go for the metz - rear(140/80) seems to go way over 10k miles and the front you'll likely replace because of age before it wears out. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Doc_Holliday on 05/14/07 at 13:05:05 Thanks everyone, lots of good info. My bike just turned over 5000 miles and i really think its time for new tires. They dont look too bad, but honestly im not familiar enough with street tires to give any opinion. There is some VERY small dry rot cracks, only noticable if you put your nose on the tire. Any way to check tread depth to see just how "shot" my tires are, im planning on running them for another month or so and i dont want them to be a huge safety hazard. -DOC |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by justin_o_guy on 05/14/07 at 13:27:06 If those are the stock tires, the safety issue doesnt stem from the cracks, but from the compound of the rubber. Mine wore fast, 5,000 & was down to the carcass in places, & had been slick the whole time I had it. Nice thing was it taught me to ride on ice year round. FWIW, no matter what tires I have, in the rain I ride like a Ol'Woman. Cuz I am scared of falling down in a turn. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Paladin on 05/14/07 at 16:49:53 georgekathe wrote:
My only mods have been horn, bags, brace, windscreen., taillight, mullfer -- nothing that would affect the tire clearance. As with YouzGuyz, $66.95 Dunlop D404 140/90HB15 Rear Tire Mfg.#: 32NK45 (http://www.accwhse.com/dunlop.htm#Tires%20street). No clearance problems means that I have never rubbed, and had enough clearance with the bike on it's sidestand to remove and remount the rear fenderrails (when I installed the Panniers.) justin_o_guy wrote:
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Title: Re: Tires Post by georgekathe on 05/14/07 at 17:01:43 sorry to be a pain with another question, Paladin - why a 140 please? my bike has a 130 on back of it. thought latter was standard size. any reason for the 140 (I'm fuzzy on difference between 2 sizes too - is the 140 fatter/taller/what?) thanks. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by thumperclone on 05/14/07 at 17:12:05 geo ssm lists 140/80-15 M/C 67 H for 96 rear... doc save your money in the long run and go w/ the me 880s theyll pay for themselves in the long run.. if you go that route get new tubes and liners also cause the me s will be on for a while..my oem rear didnt make it to 5K...think my local dealer charged $20 apiece to mount and balance and check spokes...cruizercustomizing was havin a sale when i got themwas $ 216 for the pair shipped...thats me 880 marathon 140/80hb-15 rear me 880 marathon 100/90h-19 front cant locate the tube and liner paperwork but got them from the dealer.... |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by georgekathe on 05/14/07 at 19:03:59 thanks for info, Lon. will get dunlop 404 140/90 (don't appear to make a 140/80 when I get a new tire. question for one of you - is the 80 thinner/fatter, taller/shorter than a 90 or what (as I said, I'm not that smart on tire sizes. doc - definately go with new liners & tubes when put new tires on whatever you buy. not just because of what Lon has said about Metzlers life (they are pricey little buggers, though!) but is from what I understand common practice to put on new liners/tubes with new tires - they don't cost a mint & are yet another example of thinking of ways to ensure those 2 narrow bits of fake rubber saving your life get a helping hand. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Reelthing on 05/14/07 at 19:13:15 The 140/80 is the width(MM) and percent of width the height is - so be very careful with a 140/90 - a 130/90 should fit right in but depending on who made it a 140/90 might rub with stock length shocks. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Doc_Holliday on 05/14/07 at 19:33:13 The me880's are pretty expensive....im a poor boy. So what size dunlop 404 should i get for the front? thanks everyone. -DOC |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by azjay on 05/14/07 at 19:47:29 100/90/19 stock size on suzi and most HDs http://www.mawonline.com/dunlop.htm#Tires%20street |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by tuxedo on 05/14/07 at 19:53:16 http://www.accwhse.com/dunlop.htm#Tires%20street $50.95 + around 13 shipping on a d404 and i just linked to the same site. jeebus. sorry. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by justin_o_guy on 05/14/07 at 20:00:00 I have the Maxxiss 140/90/15 & no rubbing, but with a different manufacturer, it might just rub. Dang, I didnt look online. I paid a stack O cash more than necessary. Paid 95 for the tire. that's about 30 more than necessary.. GRRR. owell,, next time., Gotta let the guy make a living. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by skatnbnc on 05/15/07 at 11:49:44 Hey guys - I just turned over to 2200 and was told by the police on my drop scene that they had never seen such pristine tires. He said the usual accident related MC tire had more threads showing than a knit sweater. My tires are stock from 06, and in reading about this thread it seems like I need to pay attention to replacement ideas in about another 3K. There are plenty of stop signs, stop lights and stop-slow going each day. Getting past third gear is a rarity until the weekend rolls around. My question is; do I need to look at replacing them sooner than the mileage indicates because I commute daily with lots of stopping? |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Savage_Rob on 05/15/07 at 12:12:41 Personally, I base that on tread depth and the condition of the rubber. When I bought my Savage, the treads were great because its mileage was so low. However, age had begun to take its toll and dry-rot type cracks were beginning to appear in the sidewalls so I replaced them. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by Paladin on 05/15/07 at 18:56:45 georgekathe wrote:
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The original tires on the LS650 are Front: 100/90-19 57H and Rear: 140/80-15 67H. Most MC tire manufactures will tell you their recomendation for your MC. Dunlop's fitment page (http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/fitmentguide.asp) lists the D404s in 100/90-19 and 140/90-15 as the recomended Dunlop Tire. At the top of that page you can click on "tire catalog" and then "Touring/Sport Bias/Cruiser" which takes you to a list of tires with more detailed specifications. If you look at our rims you'll see that the widths are listed on the rims themselves, 2.15 front and 2.75 rear. Dunlop's chart shows the recomended rim for the 100/90-19 is 2.15", and on that rim, inflated, the front tire is 25.82" tall and 3.9" wide. The recomended rim for the 140/90-15 is 3.5" which makes the tire 24.73" tall and 5.85" wide. But we don't have a 3.5" rim. Our narrower than recomended rim will pull the sides in just a little which will bulge the height up just a little -- how much is unknown. It will also reduce the width of the contact patch -- not much, but if you want that last little margin of safety . . . . Dunlop lists a 130/90-15 D404 rear that is 23.95" tall and 5.15" wide on a 3.00" rim -- which is actually a better fit. Compared with the 140/90, the 130 is shorter and narrower -- giving you better tire-bike clearance. The taller tire will reduce your RPMs at a given speed, the shorter tire will give you a slight gearing down and slightly quicker performance off the line. Running over to Metzler's site, their recomended (http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/tyres/fitment_chart/fitment.action?manifacturerID=127&modelID=86-04+++LS650+Savage&confirm=true&IMAGE1.x=15&IMAGE1.y=9) tire is the ME880 in 100/90-19 M/C 57H on a 2.15" rim and the 140/80B15M/CTL 67H on a 2.75" rim -- a perfect match to our rims and OEM tire size. Unfortunately they've pulled the detailed specs from the web, so I cannot see how they compare in mounted diameter and width with the Dunlops. Do one thing, do it right. Metzler only makes motorcycle tires. Might have to reconsider the D404's myself. Tires are (hopefully) your only connection with the pavement -- not something you should skimp on. |
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Title: Re: Tires Post by georgekathe on 05/15/07 at 19:09:44 thanks Paladin for a detailed & informative response. though ran Metzlers on my bmw (were recommended for it & it had an odd front wheel size) used to run Dunlops for years on other bikes & I'm happy with performance of them over a long period of time, albeit not on the savage - my front is not that old. I'll stick with 404 on the back when time to renew as though very aware of tires being our only contact with road, great difference in price of 404 over the Metzlers make them an all round choice for me. thanks again for great response, george |
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