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Title: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 13:30:47 I repaired the plug cap on my 01 savage a few weeks back and looks like it started again. Ive put 600 or so miles on the bike since I did the repair. I suspect my problem was between the seat and the handlebars. Anyone else have a failure after the fix?? |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 13:37:19 Drat... Did you clean it real good and put a little goop on the plug too? It was the newer style plug wasn't it? It is solid not hollow. I thought the problem was between the tank and the footpegs :P |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 13:43:20 yep cleaned it well used permatex. cap seal was a 11145-37401. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 13:45:32 Looks a like a this... http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/GMDLogo_1574.jpg |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 13:57:55 nope |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by verslagen1 on 04/21/07 at 14:27:20 Are you sure it's there? Mine has been leaking, but I have another leak as well. Either it's the rocker arm shaft or the head cover right above the spark plug. ;D |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 14:42:57 I am not sure its the plug cap but it mimics the same leak I fixed. I figure I will ride it for a few weeks and see whats wrong. The plug cap I installed did not have the recess that gregs appears to have. I had been runing the LS rather hard, since I took a little highway ride on I-10 and did 80mph for a few hours. usually it serves as a commuter in the city. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 14:57:41 Brewbrother wrote:
Nope? How many Plug/Caps are there? |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 14:59:33 Brewbrother wrote:
That is the newer version, I thought. Did they change the plug again? Running hard shouldn't change anything. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 15:09:10 Ill find out in a few weeks. Just wondering what I did wrong and why it took several weeks to appear?? |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by barry68v10 on 04/21/07 at 15:34:00 Mine started leaking at 2000 miles on the OD, has been steady since. Doesn't loose enough to make a difference in the crankcase level, so I'm not going to mess with it......brings back memories of some of my first cycles ;D Oh, and a Briggs and Stratton mini-bike, too! |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by tbalam on 04/21/07 at 15:35:13 I did my plug cap a few weeks ago and the plug looked just like greg's pic. The older version has a deep well in it that will fill with oil. here is the part number at Ron ayers I used, 11145-41B01. I think that the one you used might be the old one, Not sure. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by franch on 04/21/07 at 15:55:50 does it really matter if you use old or new ? my thinking was that the permatex dried up or wasn't applied properly on the old ones from the factory. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by verslagen1 on 04/21/07 at 16:03:49 My new one looks just like greg's too. So did the old one and it did have black rtv all about it. and since it was leaking, that's not the stuff to use. ;D |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 17:56:45 barry68v10 wrote:
Just seems strange that it would start again after fixing it several weeks back. I am curious as to what I did wrong or if the plug cap was faulty. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 17:57:57 tbalam wrote:
my part number was 11145-37401 got it from ron ayers. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 17:59:10 franch wrote:
I suspect it was something I did. I will change it again at the end of May. Till then I ride. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Max_Morley on 04/21/07 at 19:23:51 After doing mine a couple years ago I ended up with a slight weep on the cover and at 2 of the copper washered bolts. This winter I fixed that by reaplcaing the pear shaped o-ring, all new style copper/bonded rubber washers under the required bolts and a newer sealant on the head cover. I had used some old red stuff that I had and it may have not bee good still. It was the kind the dry in the absence of air, not in the air like RTV. Used grey motosealer this time and so far no evidence of oil. I put a big of RTV sealer on top of the plug the first time and just added a mittle dab this time to keep it pressed down where it is supposed to. On my B-i-L's 88 I could watch the plug jump up and down at idle, but at cruise it was held down by the crankcase pressure. Thats why they leak more in town and stop and start than on the road. My leaks at the pressure points was worse at cuise. Max |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Brewbrother on 04/21/07 at 20:11:06 Thats intresting. The leak is at low speeds but blown out at high speeds. I will tear the top end down and find out in a few weeks. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by clueless on 04/21/07 at 20:26:11 There are still quite a few 'old style' plugs out there. I used that style when i did mine. The one from the factory had no sealant. The same one I used for replacement(new) has not leaked in 10K. I did use sealant. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 20:46:34 barry68v10 wrote:
Yeah, as a teenager (in those days) that was freedom. Even if you were just riding a lawnmower around the neighborhood. It was cool 8) |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 20:48:20 verslagen1 wrote:
The newer ones are more solid. The old ones were like a cup. I guess they weren't quite as good. |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 20:50:46 Brewbrother wrote:
Well, see, in that case I gotta wonder about crankcase pressure. The crankcase pressure really should be about neutral and shouldn't be blowing anything out. That's what the breather hose is for..... |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 20:53:40 clueless wrote:
That's why I posted the photo. My original one was the "old style"...and when I got the replacement, I thought WTF. It was different. It was the newer design. I just wondered if he got one of the old ones off the shelf.... |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/21/07 at 21:02:02 Max_Morley wrote:
I found that you really should pay attention to those copper washers. They are meant to get "seated" when they are torqued (with oil on the threads). You should get new ones or do as I do...take a flat file to them and smooth them out before retorquing them....oh, and clean off the dirt on the surface too. About the crankcase pressure...why? I'm not doubting your observations, but...How can it be held down by a fluctuating crankcase pressure? It should never be positive or negative. Just neutral. Is there a problem with the breather? |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Max_Morley on 04/21/07 at 21:42:23 B-i-L's 87/88 has an aftermarket carb and had the breater tube plugged until we put a crankcase filter on it. It would stay seated at mid RPM sitting still on the lift. Max |
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Title: Re: plug cap repair failure. Post by Greg_650 on 04/22/07 at 07:03:43 Max_Morley wrote:
Well, personally, when you consider engine heating, piston movement, and blow-by at the piston rings I would never ever plug a crankcase breather line. That sounds like engine leaks just waiting to happen...and other stuff too. Good he got the filter. |
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