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Title: supertrapp install Post by noshow on 04/13/07 at 21:20:41 So I have been stuck for 2 days now and I have looked all over this site for some details that could help but found nothing. I got the stock muffler off. Finding the two hidden screws behind the heat shield was fun. Putting the new Trapp on has been more of a challenge however. I am about a good fingers width away from having it up to the flange of the header pipe. I've tried using a water based gel, a rubber mallet and a small block of wood to hit against. I have even tried putting a ice pack around the header and using a blow dryer on the muffler end to see if I could contract / expand the two metals. Nothing seems to work. I haven't removed my header and am wondering if that makes a difference or not. But I got the stock muffler off with no problems and without removing the header so I don't think thats an issue. It simply looks like there is a slight bend on both the stock and trapp pipe. When I put the pipe up to the header, its just not making that bend. No matter how slight it is...its driving me nuts. I know its a snug fit but I feel stuck. Any suggestions? |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Reelthing on 04/13/07 at 21:51:17 read on the following post seems some folks are cutting off 3/4" from the head pipe - I do not have a trap so no direct first hand http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=RubberSideDown;action=display;num=1166710802;start=14#14 |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by geo on 04/13/07 at 22:42:07 My SuperTrapp went on without modification on my 2002. I had to remove the pipe at the header. This might be the secret. |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by geo on 04/13/07 at 23:03:57 BTW, Once you get this SuperTrapp installed you will be amazed at the performance improvement. Don't go beyond 6 discs without rejetting the carb. I've rejetted and am now running 13 discs. The bike is very quick up to 60mph. I'm old, and am to afraid to go much faster. It's much quicker than stock. Some say it's quicker than most Harleys to 60mph. The downside is that you will eat up rear tires faster. You will not be able to resist twisting the throttle open. If you put off rejetting the carb at 6 discs, your front pipe will begin to turn yellow. You can polish this out, but don't let it go to far, or it will go blue. You will notice your gas milage will drop about 5mpg, too. Did you ever notice the Global Warming Whacko's never recommend motorcycles as an alternative vehicle for all our oil consumin'. Why? My LS650 still gets over 40mpg even after these mods. |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by justin_o_guy on 04/13/07 at 23:49:13 I had to cut the header off to get the bolts in the rear bracket. Some are running wir\th only 1 bolt ebgaged. Please, note the tpying. I FEEL like I have only one bolt ebngaged. Mine had a bend in it & wouldnt allow the Trapp on anyfurter so I cut it off. I wpuldnt be too shook up about it going all the ay to any flange, as long as there is enough pipe overlapping to get it to seal & the rear bolts line up,, you are good to go. Be careful how much ya whack off. OHHH ,, Man, that looks BAD! Sorry. lol,, |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by stinger on 04/14/07 at 02:06:35 It took me maybe 20 minutes to install my supertrapp on my 02. i just made sure the muffler was far enough up the pipe it wouldnt blow off, and used the exhaust clamp that came with the supertrapp. I could only align one bolt up at the rear, but so far after 2 years no exhaust leaks and its still on snug |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Greg_650 on 04/14/07 at 08:27:03 You should have used an acetylene torch and liquid nitrogen... Just kidding. Seems like about 50% of us have this kind of trouble. I really don't think it has to do with the Trapp as much as the stock header though. Do loosen the header bolts at the head a bit, if you haven't. But don't remove it. You already have enough moving parts to deal with. I don't think the Trapp will slide all the way up on the header flange...or that it is really intended to go all the way. Since ours went on (snug, I admit), I guess that I can't help much without actually seeing it. Maybe consider crimping, cutting a short slit or shortening the flange if that will help. Be careful hammering the Trapp though. |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Max_Morley on 04/14/07 at 08:53:57 The one sluggo has on his bobber came off my 96. On the 96 it fit up to the collar on the head pipe correctly, on sluggos (04 I think) I had to use the chop saw and cut the head pipe down to the front edge of the weld joining the inner and outer pipe to get it close. I think Suzuki changed the way the did the header pipe at some point. It has been on inconsistent problem as I remember. Max |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Greg_650 on 04/14/07 at 09:28:59 Max_Morley wrote:
Yeah, you wanna talk about inconsistencies? Check this out...(might be a little off topic, but I think it relates to Max's idea) I recently dragged out my old header for a little photo shoot. Never really looked at it real close, but figured I'd wipe it out for for the camera :) Inside the inlet of the stock header is a short reducer ring that's welded in place. It is actually in addition to the double walled part of the pipe. It's just a reducer and that's all (could be removed with a grinder to open the exhaust I think). Notice anything? First, look at all the weld splatter. Second...What the heck is that dimple on the left side of the reducer ring? How's that for consistent manufacturing? http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/ExhaustHeaders.jpg |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by mclutter on 04/14/07 at 11:01:11 geo wrote:
What is this Disc stuff all about. Someone please explain. Thank you very much. |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Greg_650 on 04/14/07 at 11:34:21 Trapps are tuneable and adjustable by the number of "baffle" disks that you install in the outlet. Unlike the idea of more baffles equals less noise or flow, it's just the opposite. The more you add, the louder or better the flow out of the exhaust. They sandwich under the end cap of the pipe with bolts (in the external ones) The pipe comes with 8. As GEO said, if you add more than 6 you'll need to rejet. The Trapp can have as many as 18 disks installed. Here's my spouse's with 14... http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/gmdinusa/GMDLogo_1450.jpg |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by justin_o_guy on 04/14/07 at 11:37:03 Don't forget to clean that Supertrapp very well before ya run it. It will change colors & they wont warranty it. I used a kitchen degreaser & polished it with Semichrome metal polish. If ya read the destructions very carefully, you will see they tell ya to do that. |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by noshow on 04/14/07 at 20:15:29 Update. After several different attempts to get the pipe on, I still kept telling myself I wasn't going to cut it. And in the end, I didn't have to. I came up with an idea that was silly to begin with but crap...it worked. The Trapp has expanding joints already cut in the pipe. The header is simply to thick to do much with (minus cutting it) so I decided to run it down the road a mile just enough to get that baby nice and warm.....but not too hot of course. I figured since the muffler already had joints cut, it would expand much easier and faster than the header. So I loosened the bolts and clamp I put on as a temp and gave it a few good wacks with a rubber mallet. It still didn't get all the way to the flange of the header pipe but it moved just enough to fit real snug and not have any leaks. So I tightened everything up and wa-la. Note I did settle for only 1 screw, but I am hopeful that it will keep it on tight enough. I'll still have to monitor it of course but I think its a fix. Now on to the carb, but its too rainy outside to take it for a stroll. Forecast rain for the next two days......but just the initial start up was well worth the headache. It went from a Stinger Sewing Machine to an actual bike. The sound quality alone has me excited. I have the stuff for a rejet already here but I want to wait till I can see the difference with just 6 disks and stock jets. A friend has an 96 savage with a sportster installed and he was blown away with the sound. I think its going to be fun when I take it for its first test run. :D |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Greg_650 on 04/14/07 at 22:26:29 noshow wrote:
Great! Before you get it good and hot, though...You did use anti-seize on those bolts didn't you? Just ask Stinger (if he stops lurking). He can tell you why :P |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by noshow on 04/15/07 at 18:51:11 Greg_650 wrote:
After getting the pipe on, I haven't had a chance yet to take it out for a test run. Rain non stop for 2 days now.... What's the need for anti-seize for clamps and 1 T bolt holding it in place? Did I miss something or am I not seeing the whole picture for later down the road..... |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by noshow on 04/15/07 at 19:00:25 On a side note, I did just see a small droplet of what looks to be oil on my garage floor. Smaller than pin drop but enough for me to notice. I took off the header at one point, would this be caused by the engine mount not being 100% tightened? I tried looking for the source but from the angle, thats the only probably cause. When I was adding the bolts back on, I thought I got it on as tight as it would go, but having to hold the bolt on the one side of the bike while stretching myself to do the wrenching on the other side...I may have not sealed it correctly. Does this sound right to anyone else or do I have a problem about to happen..... |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Greg_650 on 04/15/07 at 21:28:32 No. Not the muffler clamp or the t-bolts. Certainly you are just messing around with my head.... Please tell me that you put anti-seize on the bolts that get hot? The 6 stainless steel disk bolts! |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by stinger on 04/16/07 at 02:45:17 Ha ha Gregg!! Listen to Gregg! Supertrapps are expensive mufflers and worth every cent! I think I was so excited to finally get my old stock Toro lawnmower muffler off mine I forgot to use the anti sieze stuff. Soooo, now I have 2 broken bolts inside the muffler that I cant seem to get out to add some more discs. Heres something I do now, like every few months, I take them back out and install them cause after a bit, without the anti sieze stuff, they just are not going to come out without a fight! |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by noshow on 04/16/07 at 06:06:14 Greg_650 wrote:
Yes I am. I gave a good coating to each of the bolts that are holding the disks in place. I double checked three times the correct positioning of the disks and the way they should face, that each time I took them off I would add just abit more of the stuff.... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Greg_650 on 04/16/07 at 10:28:52 noshow wrote:
Good, but just remember that if you hadn't learned it here or didn't read the instructions then you'd be like Stinger ;D |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by justin_o_guy on 04/16/07 at 19:42:33 Good that you are so thorough, I hope you cleaned & polished it, too, cuz it matters. It will turn blue when it gets hot if the manufacturing oils arent cleaned & polished away, |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by verslagen1 on 05/18/07 at 21:26:06 I just took my muffler off to install the supertrapp. And there's a crappy tube over another tube. Is that the connector and is it supposed to be removed? Also there's a ring right where the header is reduced down to the muffler. Does that come off as well? :-/ |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by Greg_650 on 05/18/07 at 21:39:04 verslagen1 wrote:
No and no...simply stated. Otherwise, just don't mess up that cool tank detail while you're messing with it ;D |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by verslagen1 on 05/19/07 at 20:56:23 Well 5lbs lighter and tank detail w/o a scratch. The bike and I lost an equal amount of weight too. What a boat anchor. I was going to wait a week or two to get alittle mileage check with the stock setup before going to the supertrapp. 55 mpg BTW due to cleaning the slide. But the heat shield fell off in heavy traffic. I'm going to have change my name to shedder. And I must be suicidal too, doubled back and pick it up. Luckily it was on the side of the road. The metal at the end of the header was expanded and brittle. I cut the middle layer back a .25" and the top layer back a 1/2". Then with a little persuasion it went all the way on. Sounds good. I'll test it tomorrow. ;D |
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Title: Re: supertrapp install Post by verslagen1 on 05/21/07 at 14:27:04 After my first run, I'm smiling like a south park Canadian! Stock jet (145), 8 disks, no tuning necessary. I might say it's a little rich if I compare it to the stock muffler as all pops and pows are gone. About 2mph faster on my uphill test strip. I used get a little better uphill accel at 3/4 thottle as compared to WOT, now its best at WOT. I think I'll try another disk. ;D |
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