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Message started by BOWDIER on 03/24/07 at 15:34:56

Title: oil change link
Post by BOWDIER on 03/24/07 at 15:34:56

can anyone link me or tell me how to look up how to do an oil change, at the 2500 change and would like to do it myself instead of going to the dealership. also do you need to change the oil filter every time. Thanks

Title: Re: oi change link
Post by verslagen1 on 03/24/07 at 17:21:34

I know I was a nuub once, so here you go.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1099572561

try a search first next time.

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Post by georgekathe on 03/24/07 at 19:00:36

think my Clymers said to replace small rubber washer behind filter every time you replace the filter - I check it but think it is in good condition each time so never have.

I know others don't change filter each time - personally I do as I think it is a tiny little bugger & doesn't cost thousands so won't hurt to replace it to keep oil/engine in better condition.

incidently - I only bought the first filter I changed from Suzi dealer in town then bought a bunch of them (Emco brand I think) ex Bike bandit - others use Ron Ayers - when I bought other bits'n'pieces - save a lot as each is cheaper than oem & been led to believe the oem one is the same as ones I bought.

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Post by barry68v10 on 03/24/07 at 19:12:58

I have Emco's as well. $2-3 a filter is a whole lot better than $8 ;D

Particularly when it's just a paper filter with no anti-drainback valve, or high-pressure bypass, etc.

Title: Re: oi change link
Post by BOWDIER on 03/24/07 at 19:22:18

thanks for the info, I tried a search but don't know if I did it right, typed in oil change under search but really didn't get anything. Having a ball with the savage, it gets a lot of looks when I show up with the Harleys, it is a fun bike.

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Post by BOWDIER on 03/24/07 at 19:25:46

hey what tool is that they are taking the filter cover off with.

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Post by barry68v10 on 03/24/07 at 19:46:57

Allen wrench.

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Post by barry68v10 on 03/24/07 at 19:58:03

Can't remember what size, mine doesn't have any markings on it. Just get a metric muli-set and you'll be good to go.

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Post by verslagen1 on 03/24/07 at 21:05:52

Sorry Bowdier, didn't mean to jump on you like that. I'm not a morning person until a cup of coffee, a donut and a ride. Or a donut while riding then a cup coffee, either way I'm good.

Yeah, the shearch engine sucks. I found it by reading thru every page on this site. So when you asked I knew where it was. One trick is to set the date filter to way back. Some of the simple things were posted soon after Gore invented the internet. ;D

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Post by georgekathe on 03/24/07 at 21:51:57

if you can't find it via search it is easy to find it by going through pages (there are only 4 of them) on tech part of site - how I find stuff there, Bowdier. incidently - think I recall some saying they don't even have a small rubber gasket behind filter & things are OK. my thought is if as it is there it must serve a purpose so always ensure I put mine back in place. good luck with oil change - it is not too difficult @ all & saves paying for dealer to do it (plus you know the oil is nicely hot so is more likely to drain out fully)!

Title: Re: oi change link
Post by BOWDIER on 03/25/07 at 04:50:39

thanks for the info, I 've never had my on bike before so I'm exicted about doing my on oil change, it make me look like a real biker dude. Should of looked on teh tech link but was under this on, love the pics. thanks again.

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Post by Trippah on 03/25/07 at 06:12:27

Just curious-bowdier- that oi is aussie for oil isn't it. ;D ;D Enjoy the bike, we all do.

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Post by thumperclone on 03/25/07 at 08:57:43

the drain plug points to the kick stand, after all is drained remove oil filter cover and filter,put a rag under the cover b4 removing still lil oil in three..b4 putting in new filter balance bike up right to get remainder from crank case...take your time its not harde and alot cheaper.diy

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Post by BOWDIER on 03/25/07 at 17:33:11

what do you think about a magnetic drain plug, are they worth anything or just for peace of mind,

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Post by barry68v10 on 03/25/07 at 20:21:50

Magnetic drain plugs are great for cycles. I installed one two changes ago and get lots of iron filing sludge out every time. I know some of that stuff would make it thru the filter. And they're cheap! ;D

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Post by Oldfeller2 on 03/26/07 at 02:46:17

I have a magnetic oil plug as well, and I get a relatively thick coating of very very fine metalic sludge every time I pull it out to change the oil.

Where do all the wear particles coming from? Anybody know the primary location/sources for the iron/steel wear particles? I'm interested in the Savage expert tear-down guys opinions.

I'd <guess> at the transmission as the souce for my cycle as there was one tiny discrete chunk of steel that looked a bit like the corner of an engagement dog on a slider gear.

From tearing down bikes in the past the slider/fork groove junction and the dog edges/faces on the tranny slider gears wear out pretty good as does the side edges of the clutch basket (where the plates notch into the basket during engagement).

What other wear sources have you tear-down experts seen on the Savage motors?

Magnetic oil plugs are a good thing IMHO. I have seen postiing of people attaching magnetic strip materials to the Emco filter recess to trap additional iron/steel particles and I may pursue that thought at my next oil change. Trapping ALL that solid metal crap has got to be a good thing. Shame we can't trap the aluminum bits as well.

Oldfeller

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Post by justin_o_guy on 03/26/07 at 03:08:17

I can see th cam chain as one reasonably dependable source of fine metal stuff.

I have done a post mortem on an oil filter & found an unsettling amount of pieces of metal, Shiny stuff. I will continue to do this, but on the next change, there will be a magnetic plug added. Thanks for the tip,

Title: Re: oi change link
Post by georgekathe on 03/26/07 at 12:16:27

does Ron Ayers carry a magnetic oil drain plug does anyone know? (am buying stuff ex there soi could tag it on order to save shipping).

if so, where was it on R Ayers site?

alternatively, does anyone recall where they got their one, please?

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Post by verslagen1 on 03/26/07 at 14:04:02

it's been listed before

http://www.magneticdrainplug.com/

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Post by georgekathe on 03/26/07 at 17:19:27

thanks verslagen1 - will order after dinner & put on @ next oil change.

george :)

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Post by BOWDIER on 03/27/07 at 18:10:54

I ordered mine today and will wait for it to come in before I do my oil change.

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by BOWDIER on 04/03/07 at 17:40:45

I need my first oil change yesterday. Only problem guy at the shop gave me the wrong filter, so had to go back, and swap it. How often do most of you change the oil, do you follow the 600, 4000, 7500,11000,14500 or do you do it more often, I did the first service at 650 at the stealership, but did this oil change at 2400 and changed the filter and put on the magnetic oil plug. Going to order my next filtes on line about 1/2 the cost and don't have to drive to get it.

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by Trippah on 04/03/07 at 19:48:46

Bowdier I think oil change is sorta based on riding conditions..live in Texas and other hot climes..fairly often @3000. miles? Up here in the north, I am comfortable with 4-5000. miles (of course, we are talking dino juice, not synthetic). Given I 'm lucky to get 3K a year on the bike, that translates to early Summer each riding season for me. ps, there are more oil threads on motorcycle forums than anything wlse,,search all over for interesting thoughts. As for magnetic drain plugs..I'd rather get a hot fudge sunday- wont last as long but I suspect it'll do me more good. :D

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by Savage_Rob on 04/04/07 at 05:30:25

There are definitely a number of factors to consider. I use full synthetic but still change it about every 1500-2000 miles. It's my opinion that a good lube will extend the life of the engine. Part of the reason is that air-cooled engines are hot enough without adding hot weather and in-city riding. Thermal viscosity breakdown is almost certainly hastened by Texas summers. Also, I use a K&N air filter that allows better airflow than a paper filter but also allows a bit more particulates through. This will allow the oil to become dirty sooner, especially since I ride in a high smog city. In fact, the amount of crud in my air filter and oil when I clean it is giving me pause to search out a decent filter mask for in-city riding.

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by georgekathe on 04/04/07 at 17:18:23

I'm anal & so aware of super hot conditions in the area I live, the relatively small size of the filter & the inhereant problems with aircooling I change my oil every 1,000 miles.

it is only 2 quarts of oil & oil is to me a lot cheaper than a screwed up overheated worn out engine!

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by BOWDIER on 04/04/07 at 17:25:25

thats about what I was thinking, about evey 2000-3000, oil and a fiter are cheap and it only takes a few minutes.

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Post by Trippah on 04/04/07 at 18:42:51

As a side topic, much like some Guzzi's, does anyone think we could increase the volume of oil easily- other than of course with the oil cooler mod. Although I don't change the oil often, as New England temps and stock filters don't threaten the engine much (I hope); an increase in oil volume would be reassuring..

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by tank_you_jeebus on 04/05/07 at 22:37:13

For the Seattle area do we go 10W30? I have some slow seepage from the engine and was thinking if I change the grade perhaps the leak will stop?

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by Roadrunner17 on 04/06/07 at 06:03:42

Most of the recommendations I've heard call for 20W50, perhaps for that reason. Try the change & see if that helps.

I've already changed my oil, but didn't change the filter. The reason? It seems that everywhere I go to get the size filter for my 06 will list filters up to either 02 or 03, sometimes 04, never any newer.

Can anyone get me the spec for the 06 filter, or has it changed from earlier years?

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by Kropatchek on 04/06/07 at 08:26:18

Roadrunner17 wrote:

It seems that everywhere I go to get the size filter for my 06 will list filters up to either 02 or 03, sometimes 04, never any newer.

Can anyone get me the spec for the 06 filter, or has it changed from earlier years?

All year filters are the same!

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Post by Reelthing on 04/06/07 at 10:39:03

tank_you_jeebus wrote:

For the Seattle area do we go 10W30? I have some slow seepage from the engine and was thinking if I change the grade perhaps the leak will stop?

I use 20w-50 here summer and 10w-40 winter - but it gets dang hot in the summer

anyway from where is slow leak? - you know about the head plug right? it can sure make the oil look it's coming from all sorts of places because the wind moves it around

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Post by Dr_Jim on 04/06/07 at 12:01:43

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Post by Reelthing on 04/06/07 at 12:36:46

mobil-1 here as well in all things -

lukefisk :-X that is the worst thing I ever tried to consume - fermented canned catfood isn't it?

Title: Re: oil change link
Post by tank_you_jeebus on 04/06/07 at 15:44:08

Tussen Takk for the advice. Had some more leakage today on a 45 minute ride. Probably need to change it pretty soon.

P.S. my wife is Norwegian, the only custom I enjoy is drinking Akvavit and beer on christmas morning...

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Post by Greg_650 on 04/06/07 at 20:39:47

Not to worry...If it ain't leakin', it's empty ;D

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Post by BOWDIER on 04/08/07 at 12:21:34

can hardly wait till the next oil change to see if this magnetic plug works, great silte savage Rob, and thanks for cleaning up teh spam so quickly.

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Post by Greg_650 on 04/08/07 at 13:54:06

I'll be kinda eager to see how much stuff is stuck on the flat magnet, that I stuck in the filter compartment too...

I guess I'm just too cheap to buy a plug :P