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Title: Carb trouble, I think! Post by oneasterisk903 on 03/14/07 at 18:03:11 Hi all, I'm a new B and had a question. Sorry if it's been asked and answered already, but I couldn't find anything that pertains. I have a 2001 650 Savage. It ran fine last fall. Winterized and used Seafoam in the gas. Fired it up for the first time this year, after charging the battery, and it has a huge hesitation/stumble on accelleration. I replaced the spark plug and pulled the carb off to check the jets. Nothing obvious. Put all back together, does the same thing. I can pull the choke out part way and seems to be a little better. Any ideas? Please Help!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by LANCER on 03/14/07 at 18:13:50 If it runs a bit better with the choke part way out, then you have some clogged passageways inside. I suggest you pull and take it apart, then blow carb cleaner through all passageways and follow up with pipe cleaners or something similar if necessary. That should do it. Takes all of about 30 minutes. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by barry68v10 on 03/14/07 at 18:14:41 Drain the float bowl completely, and give her a try. If that doesn't help, drain the float bowl and tank and replace fuel and try again. Keep us posted. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by verslagen1 on 03/14/07 at 18:46:34 don't get any carb cleaner on anything rubber! I think your slide may be sticking, clean it too. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/14/07 at 20:08:54 oneasterisk903 wrote:
How far or long did you run it after the winter hibernation? |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by justin_o_guy on 03/14/07 at 20:14:01 Bowl vent tubes? |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/14/07 at 20:33:17 justin_o_guy wrote:
He should have 2 of them :) |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by justin_o_guy on 03/14/07 at 22:26:57 Yea, but are they plugged? Wouldn't that make the fuel delivery bad? Dirt dobbers? Dang, sometimes I think you just MIGHT try to make stuff difficultish. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/15/07 at 05:27:58 justin_o_guy wrote:
Sometimes I do...on purpose. It makes people think(myself included). Now, get this...(and gosh we've been on this subject with all kinds of adverse results too) ...if dobbers, spiders, or errant children actually crawled up in the frame and filled BOTH tubes (coincidence?) then atmospheric pressure wouldn't be able to equalize in the float bowl as gas was sucked out....right? And if that happened wouldn't gas flow stop, because there would be no equalizing between the venturi action of the jets? Then you'd have the bowl full of gas, with the float valve closed and the engine can't suck out gas cause air can't go in... I wasn't questioning you as much as the probability of all that happening during the winter when the dobbers and spiders are dead and little children are wearing mittens ;D |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by justin_o_guy on 03/15/07 at 07:54:30 GRRR! Yer Right, on alll counts, I shoulda read that last chapter of Sherlock Holmes, I knew itt,A fellow really needs to pay attention to ALL the clues. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by LANCER on 03/15/07 at 08:26:53 Don't you just love it when a plan comes together? |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/15/07 at 08:29:44 justin_o_guy wrote:
Besides...we won't know too much until Mr. 1* returns anyway... |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by TVR on 03/15/07 at 09:37:46 Greg_650 wrote:
and don't forget that the tank could implode... ;) |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/15/07 at 09:59:21 TVR wrote:
I was expecting you. Right on schedule.... Yes, but sucking a dent in the tank is the worst case scenario. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by oneasterisk903 on 03/15/07 at 15:15:02 I did check both vent tubes and they are clear. I did not take the "Vacuum Pod" apart on the top of the carb. I do have a mechanical background, I just am not versed in motorcycles. Don't know if it makes any difference, but prior to putting the bike up, the float had stuck and caused fuel to leak from the vent tube. I fixed the stuck float. I was able to ride the bike after that and it seemed fine. As far as how long it ran when I fisrt fired it up this year, I let it idle for approx. 5 minutes before trying to ride it. The bike started right up and idled good after jump starting it. Can't really think of anything else, other than the airfilter is new and I can't find any vacuum leaks. Hope the additional information helps you all to help me. Really don't want the "Stealer" to make a profit off me. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by oneasterisk903 on 03/15/07 at 15:19:32 Sorry forgot to add. I did ride the bike for about a mile out and back. I didn't want to get stranded to far from the house. P.S. Thank you all for the replies and help thus far. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Max_Morley on 03/15/07 at 16:46:07 Max agress with Lancer and hinks maybe you should run some more Sea Foam through (correct amount only please) and see if it will loosen up some of the possible dried fuel residue in the jets and passage ways. I ran the suggested amount through last spring and raised my fuel range by 10 miles 100 -110 before switching to reserve. I'm not usually a chemical technicain (I'm not convinced those tablets you put down the spark plug hole to fix worn out rings can do what they claim) , but in the case of Sea Foam it worked great for me and I recommend it. Max |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/15/07 at 21:07:24 oneasterisk903 wrote:
Still kinda cool where you are isn't it? One thing we tend to think about is our "high tech" autos which never need any warm up and such...these bikes need choke in cold weather. They can sit and get warm but once the air is blowing by they get cold again. You ran it about 5 minutes, but you really can't find any trouble. There might not be any. I suggest that you really warm the bike up. Take it out around the block or two and at least get the crankcase too hot to touch by hand...which takes longer than a few minutes. If you don't feel really secure on a long trip, just ride it around the neighborhood until it is really hot. "Ride it like you stole it", if you can. At least get that carb flushed out real good. Then go home and look at it again. You might just have a case of cabin fever....:) |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by oneasterisk903 on 03/16/07 at 06:29:02 Actually the weather has been warm for this time of year. The day I pulled the bike out, it was 71 degrees. I did ride the bike for about a mile out and back, after it sat idling for about five minutes, should have been plenty warm. I rode it again yesterday, plenty of warm up time, and it still falls flat on it's face then will "catch" up. Is there something with the "Vacuum Pod" on top of the carb.? I assume it is what works the slide. I think my next plan of attack will be to pull the carb, disassemble and thoroughly clean it and try again. I really do appreciate all the suggestions and advice. I am positive there is a problem and not just a case of "cabin fever." |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by LANCER on 03/16/07 at 06:44:14 Some folks think that pulling the carb and breaking it down is a lot of work, but when I start having trouble with one and it is not responding to normal adjustments I find I spend MORE time playing with the thing than if I had taken it off and gone through the whole carb piece by piece. Most of time I find the cause when I do that, and if not then I at least know what it CANNOT be. You can eliminate stuck slide, clogged pass., float level & function, diaphragm damage/function, needle damage, gunk in general, etc. Even if you take your time it can be done in an easy hour. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/16/07 at 14:30:28 oneasterisk903 wrote:
So it is warm and you don't have cabin fever. Two good things. "Falls flat on its face"...it must be drunk :P You do turn off the choke after it gets warm, right? (don't blame me, you said you were a newbie and I've known other newbies that forgot) |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by oneasterisk903 on 03/16/07 at 19:38:33 Yep, turned the choke off. Newbie to suzuki savage dot com and trying to fix motorcycles, but not to motorcycle riding. |
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Title: Re: Carb trouble, I think! Post by Greg_650 on 03/17/07 at 05:42:18 oneasterisk903 wrote:
Well, it's Saturday morning. Time to fix it...:P Okay, back to basics. Last year it ran fine, you added Seafoam, and this year it runs bad. Everything else looks fine and normal. So, what changed? You added Seafoam. Did you use the correct ratio of mix? Personally, I never use Stabil or Seafoam or anything. I always drain the tank and the carb and start fresh in the spring. This has never let me down, while others prefer additives. How about just draining the tank and carb, and add fresh gas? (Someone mentioned it above.) Dump the old gas in your cage, and start over. If that doesn't work, I guess it's time to pull the carb again. |
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