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Message started by MuzzleBlast on 03/05/07 at 17:41:57

Title: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by MuzzleBlast on 03/05/07 at 17:41:57

Idling thru a parking lot last night and the trusty steed just shut off. No headlight, no neutral light, no power whatever. Haven't had a chance to troubleshoot yet, but figure fuses would be a good place to start, if I only knew where they were. One thing that troubles me is that my buddy did both front and rear brakes for me the day before and I wonder if a wire got shorted out in the process. Any ideas or thoughts would be appreciated. ???

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by thumperclone on 03/05/07 at 17:49:24

on my 06 fuses are under seat on right side bout where your leg would be at a stop, can get to w/o pulling seat..
good luck and post what you find out...

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Brewbrother on 03/05/07 at 19:06:51

check to make sure you battery cables are tight. Sounds like a loose negative cable.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/05/07 at 19:18:41

I can't think of anything brake related that has anything to do with fuses....well, except for brake lights anyway.

Start with the fuses but you gotta realize that fuses are just a symptom. If they are blown, the problem is elsewhere.

If the battery cables are loose that would be good. It beats a thousand other alternatives.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by MuzzleBlast on 03/05/07 at 20:26:17

I'm hoping its a battery cable, too. Unfortunately I'm stuck at work now and not able to get into it. I will be looking at it as soon as I can, though. Thanks for the feedback, guys.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by justin_o_guy on 03/05/07 at 22:48:55

I had the seat off about 7 times before I sanpped to where the fuses are. Or is that where the fuse IS? Anyway, like the guy said, under the rught leg, outside the frame. In a white, squarish box on the end of a couple O wires.Almost looks like a tiny white relay. ( Man, I hope that's right. I didn't open it when I saw it.)

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by MuzzleBlast on 03/06/07 at 00:12:02

Mine's a 2001...I'll let you know if I find them in the same spot.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/06/07 at 08:30:04

You can actually slide the fuse holder (with 2 fuses) off the metal tab to inspect them.

You don't have to remove the seat to check them...but practice never hurts :P

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by georgekathe on 03/06/07 at 13:45:01

I have never had trouble taking seat off/getting it on, Greg - it's the tank that I find a real bugger!! (& no, I have not "trap doored"the spark plug - concerned it'd rattle too much - & even so have doubt about accessing plug even so. need selling on the idea!

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/06/07 at 13:51:09

georgekathe wrote:

Not what I was saying. But to check fuses, why take it off if you don't have to?

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by justin_o_guy on 03/06/07 at 17:52:32

georgekathe wrote:

I cut a bolt off & stuch it in the right bolt hole, with some heat shrink on it. With the left side loose, the right side lifts over the Nub. It no rattle. I have accessed the plug this way. Trust me, it's a winner idea. Draining the tank gets old, fast.Rasslin it off over the petdoohickey is a drag too.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by thumperclone on 03/06/07 at 18:29:25

Greg_650 wrote:

Not what I was saying. But to check fuses, why take it off if you don't have to?

correct!!

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by thumperclone on 03/06/07 at 18:30:53

justin_o_guy wrote:

you dont have to drain the tank to pull it UNLESS you dont have the stock petc0ck..

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Bikemom28 on 03/06/07 at 19:08:41

MuzzleBlast wrote:

You know I had the same problem. I noticed it the day before yesterday when the nuetual light kept on fading in and out. I went to start it yesterday and it wouldn't start or light wouldn't even turn on My problem was with ground connection. The connection was bad. All that needed to be done was to be cleaned. It's the black wire with white strip that comes off the neg side of the battery that goes underneath the gas tank on the left side of the bike. Hope that helps. Or it could be the Ingniton switch plug or wiring.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by justin_o_guy on 03/06/07 at 19:53:03

Ahaaa! A pattern emerges... Riding nice & easy is the problem. Ride them harder. Seems obvious to me.. so, it's gotta be right. Right? Awwww, COME ONNNN You know I'm right here..

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/06/07 at 22:18:31

thumperclone wrote:

you dont have to drain the tank to pull it UNLESS you dont have the stock petc0ck..

Even then, I'd probably just grab good sized phillips screw driver and stuff it up in there as soon as I pulled the hose loose. Few drops on the floor. So what.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/06/07 at 22:19:08

thumperclone wrote:

correct!!

Absolutely!!

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Brewbrother on 03/10/07 at 15:31:27

MuzzleBlast wrote:

Did you ever figure out your problem??

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by hutch on 03/10/07 at 16:40:09

thumperclone wrote:

you dont have to drain the tank to pull it UNLESS you dont have the stock petc0ck..

I think I said this before. I have stock petcock, I f I pull the tank to the rear to clear the rubber mounts in the front,my petcock is back where the frame gets even wider. No way to get it off. In the most forward position, still wouldn't clear, even if you could pull it up. I measured it. I sticks under the frame 1/4" even with the tank pulled as far as you can get it to the left. Only way to get it off. Drain tank and remove petcock. I am going to have to do that again as soon as I get my new cables. Already did the plug door mod. Mine is an '06.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by justin_o_guy on 03/10/07 at 16:53:23

Dang, Hutch, wadda bummer. I can't remember how far back I pull mine before I strt lifting & dragging the rear to the left.
It doesn't feel like it will work, sure doesn't look like it. But, by the slimmest of margins, it does.This time I have the vac line off so I won't be pinching that. There is definitely a "too far back" spot & a Nowhere near back enough spot. It's fiddly, as one guy puts things. The pressure to the left is most unnerving..

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by hutch on 03/10/07 at 17:03:31

justin_o_guy wrote:

The narrowest on mine is when it's all the way to the front. My son and I both tried it together. He watched and helped pull and twist and shove to the left. NO WAY JOSE. Drain and pull petcock. I talked to the mechanic at the Zuki shop and he said they have a problem with a lot of them. Seems the petcock location is to far in board on some. I know when I change my cables I am going to fix that. I'll mark the frame, pull tank the hard way for the last time. Wrap carb in wet rag , fire up the torches, heat the frame, use the side of a large socket and hammer to dent frame in, check for clearance,let cool, sand down, rattle can black. PROBLEM SOLVED.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/10/07 at 21:43:15

Same old complaint...petc0ck hits the frame.

Pull back, twist to left, pick up, scratch some paint on the frame, and disconnect wires....and then try to figure out what to set the tank on :P

The petc0ck wasn't engineered for the bike, that's for sure.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by georgekathe on 03/10/07 at 22:21:40

don't forget to disconnect the speedo cable too, Gregg! (just giving you s@%t, mate! ;D

still, I know the problem it is to get the darn tank off - I didn't scratch the paint the first time I took it off, but did the second time!

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by hutch on 03/11/07 at 05:31:56

Greg_650 wrote:

I aint worried about the paint, When two people working together can't get it off, it won't come off. Twist ,pull ,shove ,lift, try this every 1/16 of inch along frame. At closest point it is still under frame 1/4 inch.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/11/07 at 08:07:14

georgekathe wrote:

Damm. I hate it when I do that.

Good point ;D

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/11/07 at 08:09:37

hutch wrote:

It still comes off in said fashion.

And to make it easier next time, try to remember way back to your youth. Put a little vaseline on those rubbers.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by justin_o_guy on 03/11/07 at 08:43:45

My rubbers seem to have swollen up a bit. I would't be afraid to use KY or something like that. I used somethnig,I can't
remember what, tho. I think it was wax from a toilet seal. I keep that stuff around to put on screws I want to run into wood with a drill. remember, rubbers bust when vaseline gets on them.

I know what the mechanic said, & I had a lot harder time last nite pulling that tank with the rubbers in a bind, (Maybe the wax dries up?) I had to slap on the righ rear of the tank while I held up on it ti clear the petrooster. Had probs going back, but it went. The grommets at the rear I do different. I put the thin circle in the bottom & stick the large end with the raised section thru from the top.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by hutch on 03/11/07 at 08:49:22

I'll just heat and "dish" the frame so it comes off like it is suppose to. No wrestling involved.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/11/07 at 09:02:56

justin_o_guy wrote:

Interesting topic...we have vaseline, KY jelly, rubbers, and toilet tank wax all in one.

I think that there is a difference in rubbers (ya think?) One is latex...:P

Anyway, it's ain't nothing but a thang. The tank comes off with some wrestling...and a speedo cable disconnect, too.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by TVR on 03/11/07 at 09:09:55

Greg_650 wrote:

Put a little vaseline on those rubbers.

They had vaseline in your youth?

Did a little research: "Vaseline was created by Robert Chesebrough in 1870"

I guess they did then...
;)

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by justin_o_guy on 03/11/07 at 09:10:19

Dang greg, good point. I think vaseline won't hurt that rubber. Some vast galaxy of difference in black rubber & latex,, Doooh.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by MuzzleBlast on 03/12/07 at 03:04:10

Thanks to all who replied re: my dead Savage. Problem turned out to be a very dead battery. Overnight charging and still only 9.2 volts. Apparently, 9 volts is not enough to light the headlight or anything else. Bought a new battery and the trust steed is up and running again. No other problems showed up, like fuses, loose connections, etc. so I have to conclude it was all a battery problem. Thanks again, guys.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/12/07 at 04:38:01

I'm so relieved that the problem is solved that I think I need to cry. I love happy endings.

Title: Re: Savage Dead as a Doornail
Post by Greg_650 on 03/12/07 at 04:39:38

TVR wrote:

They had vaseline in your youth?

Did a little research: "Vaseline was created by Robert Chesebrough in 1870"

I guess they did then...
;)

Sorry man. This topic is over. No time to reply.