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Title: pull Post by jason on 02/07/07 at 22:21:05 I'm new at this sight so bear with me. 1999 savage will crank all day long but will not fire over. when i pull it behind the truck it will fire over. After that it runs and sounds great. when it is hot it'll fire right up, but when it's cold it just cranks. someone told me to change the spark plug so i did. first i checked the old one for fire and got nothing. went and got a new ngk and still no fire. it does have power going into the coil. i chked it with a light tester. can anyone help please |
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Title: Re: pull Post by verslagen1 on 02/07/07 at 22:56:32 A weak battery will have enough to turn her over, but not enough to fire her up. I'm guessing that if you can push start her, you have the same problem I had. Check the cold and or push start threads. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by justin_o_guy on 02/08/07 at 01:18:49 I most likely will not solve this, but the guy said it will crank a long time, so that doesn't sound like a puny battery. When you are pulling behind the truck, how long till it fires? What speeds? What do you have to do with the throttle? Choke? When it's running, does it have good power? I mean, is the top end worn out to the point the compression stinks? Maybe that's why it will crank for so long, the engine is so worn out the battery isn't working hard to spin it. I think you have a carb problem, or worn engine, Lets hope it's cheap! |
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Title: Re: pull Post by stinger on 02/08/07 at 01:31:43 i took my battery to the dealer and he said it was good, it was holding a load. sometimes if it was warm, it would crank over, a bit chilly it would just crank and crank. The battery was good enough to sometimes start it but not good enough to start it all of the time. Id try a new battery. The decompression cable set correctly? Most important! |
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Title: Re: pull Post by smokin_blue on 02/08/07 at 04:05:59 It sounds to me like one of two things..either mixture or compression. How is the compression? have you had a compression check done? If it runs rough until it is warmed up I would go after the carb and make sure both your enricher pick up in the bottom of the float bowl is not plugged as well as make sure your pilot jet is spotless. The other item you didn't mention...when you pulled your plug what did it look like? nice light brown or really dark and black? Also, when you crank it over and it does not fire, pull the plug and see if it is wet or not. Last item...long shot.. if not getting gas it could be a problem in the petcock. You didn't say is this only after sitting a long time? if so make sure you turn the petcock to prime first to fill the carb. If it happens the next morning after you had it running the day before then it is not an empty carb. Unless...a problem with the diaphram would cause it to not get gas unless you have very high vacuum and or be a very slow fill. If you check your plug and it is dry after the starter won't fire it then go after the mixture side of things. If the plug is bone dry open the drain on the bottom of the carburator to see if you have gas in the float bowl. If you do, and plenty of it...see the paragraph above about the enricher pick up. If you don't have any gas in the bowl or it runs fine only when on prime then go after the diaphram in the petcock. you did not mention the thottle position when using the starter. I don't intend to insult anyone here but if you have the choke on and opening the throttle you will most likely be flooding it. good luck |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/08/07 at 07:26:27 the plug was light white on the ends. after setting for two months i had to pull the bike about three blocks. when it set for about two days it would only take a couple of feet going about 5 mph. my big ? , there should be spark to the spark plug when i test to the head area right. the compression doesn't seem to be a problem it idles fine in the cold and has great top need. it's flat out fast off the start. i don't use the thottle when starting it. i've tried choke and no chock. never chked the fuel bowl cause i guess that if fired over when pulling that it had enough. never had a problem until i let it sat in the shed for 2 months. i got 2 suzukis so i thoyght i'd give the savage a break. now i need it back. really nice bike the dude i bought it off said he had it lowered and he also racked out the front end. i'll trie to get a pic in here some how |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/08/07 at 07:48:38 you all will have to wait for a couple of pics i have the cd at work. i was thinking about saleing it. it's the nicest one here in the dallas fort worth area. if anyone might be interested 1,500.00 as is. saddle bags,front fork bag,drag bars,extended front forks, never been laid over. the last owner keep it in his kitchen. the only thing is that the front break handle is a little bent from smacking the door way on his way out of the house. anyone can call me 8177146703. not at work today 2-08 but work swing shift |
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Title: Re: pull Post by smokin_blue on 02/09/07 at 04:28:46 Yes, If you hold the plug to the engine...make sure it is grounded metal and not on a rubber mounted cover or something (cooling fins work well...and away from the spark plug hole so you don't accidentally ignite anything) and you should get a nice spark when turning it over. I would check the float bowl once just to put that to bed. If you have weak spark then check the grounds on the coil (where it physically mounts to the frame) and then check the connections in the signal wires going to the coil. Suzuki had a problem back in about '88 with the intruders haveing poor ground on the coils and made for poor idling on those. The fix was to pull the coil and file any paint off the mount surface to fix the ground issue. Based on the symptoms I would check gas at the bowl first. Confirm it is there. Then crank with the starter and check the plug for wet. That will tell you if you have a fuel delivery problem. If you are sure you are getting fuel all the way to the cylinder then go after the spark. The fact it runs so well after you pull start it doesn't make sense. My gut still points back toward the petcock. Have you tried putting it on prime. let it sit for a full minute (on the clock) then try starting it. On prime if you open the float drain it should pour out until you cap it again. set to ON it should pour out and stop once you get a float bowl full. The reason I ask is my bikes in the summer if I have to fill the bowls can take a long time cranking if I don't use the prime first. Granted those are 4 carb bikes but still a thought. good luck Paul jason wrote:
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/09/07 at 10:09:43 thanks alot. it's alittle cold right now. I'll try to get it going in a bought a week. that makes alot of sense grinding off the paint and chking the cont. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by slavy on 02/09/07 at 20:59:58 Before You start "fixing " things, put Your bike on the charger for couple of hrs , turn the petcock in "pri" for 20-30 sec , pull the chock and try to start it. If it starts- bad battery. I've had similar problem with many Suzukis. If the battery is just a little below the minimum, the buke will crank, but it will not fire. Just a little help with a charger and the bike starts. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/09/07 at 21:41:55 it has pretty much stayed on a charger while it was sitting. i'll make sure to take it out and have it tested before starting again. i haven't chked the water level in about 6 months. that;ll be first. anything else i should look at. sunday might be a good day 2-11-07. beleive me if that fixes it you all will be the first to know. thanks for everyones help you all are great people |
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Title: Re: pull Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/07 at 21:43:23 I was also able to push start with a bad battery. 8) Put in 1st, push it up to 7 to 10 mph with the clutch in. Before you let the clutch out, crank it with the starter. After a couple of cranks pop the clutch. Don't worry about the starter, once you pop the clutch the starter is disabled. And leave the clutch engaged, it will help keep it running. Doing this way you won't skid to a stop when you pop the clutch, god blessed 650 single! ;D |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/09/07 at 21:48:27 sweet. ;D that makes me fell alot better. shoot i might have time tomorrow morning. if it fires up then i'll ride it in to work sunday. i think i have that cd with the pics on it . wonder how long it;ll take to down load it |
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Title: Re: pull Post by TVR on 02/09/07 at 22:08:49 2nd gear is easier on a paved surface..IMHO.. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/09/07 at 22:22:15 2nd gear is alot better. hopefully we want need the truck to help strat it anymore |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/09/07 at 22:25:02 i'm down loading my pics right know on bikepics.com. it'll take a couple of mints. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/09/07 at 22:44:36 http://w2.bikepics.com/pics/2007/02/10/bikepics-797050-full.jpg chk that and get back the two things that has change is a sportser muff, saddle bags |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/09/07 at 22:45:19 http://www.bikepics.com/members/jasonssavage/personal/ and thats that i'll chk back tomorrow |
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Title: Re: pull Post by TVR on 02/10/07 at 06:51:55 Nice ;D Like your forks and light package! |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Greg_650 on 02/10/07 at 08:04:20 Yeah. Tell us about that... |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/10/07 at 11:03:29 chked the battery it's o.k. grinded off paint that hold the coil to the bike. got great fuel boil is full. I got a coil on ebay a couple of days ago i'll try that. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT MAKES THE COIL FIRE LIKE A INGITION, OR A INNIGHTER spell is not so good sometimes but you know what i'm talking about.. could the coil be cutting out? |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/10/07 at 11:11:21 when i bought the bike it was already like that the only thing i changed was the muff, added fork bag and saddle bagss. the dude said that he paid 1500.00 dollars for the front fork assy. peoples heads turn when i drive by. i love it but it time to sale it and move on. i'm trying to fix up a bandit 600 1996. I will be looking for another bike in the furture. I'll have to get up dated pics soon |
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Title: Re: pull Post by john1652 on 02/10/07 at 11:19:19 I'll bet it needs new rings or piston wanna bet????? john |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Rockin_John on 02/10/07 at 12:38:25 john1652 wrote:
I didn't see the mileage nor an accurate compression measurement mentioned anywhere in the thread, so the need for a cylinder and head rebuild is certainly not out of the question... He did say "never had a problem until it sat in shed two months." So maybe it is still just a fuel or wire problem. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by geo on 02/14/07 at 22:47:54 How many miles are on this thing? Do the full compression check, valves and rings. Check valve lash clearance. Clean out the tank and petkock filter. Next, go into to carburettor and clean it out. If you don't know the vintage of the battery, get a new one. Make sure the connections are clean including ground. Get the Clymer manual for the specs. If this engine has more than 25K miles it could be worn out because of the goose grease the previous owner was putting in the crankcase. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/15/07 at 21:28:58 i'll be doing all of that and more when it warms up alittle. you will know everthing you asked about. thanks |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Phelonius on 02/16/07 at 11:24:11 Try putting a volt meter on the battery terminals when you cold start to see how much the voltage drops under the starting load. If the battery is not strong enough, the voltage may drop far enough that the spark will be weak, maybe too weak to fire. When the engine is warm, the fuel vaporizes more easily and so fires more easily even with a weak spark sometimes. Additionally two other factors come into play. The engine turns over more easily because of warm oil and looser clearances, and the battery has a full surface charge in it because of being recently run. Phelonius |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Savage_Rob on 02/16/07 at 13:24:42 Oh man, I thought maybe this topic involved shootin' skeet. Oh well.... |
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Title: Re: pull Post by TVR on 02/16/07 at 15:44:54 Savage_Rob wrote:
LOL! I did too at first...Thought to myself, Rob will move that puppy in a hurry! |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 02/16/07 at 21:54:32 I have the battery off and in the house right now. when i was testing things i even put a battery box jumper on the battery conn. and still no fire. it should be nice on monday a i'll have time |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Greg_650 on 02/17/07 at 07:58:17 jason wrote:
Have you had the battery load checked? A good bike shop should do it for free. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Savage_Rob on 02/17/07 at 14:21:59 Greg_650 wrote:
Sears and Autozone will also do it for free. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by jason on 03/21/07 at 09:14:26 OK IT TOOK THIS LONG TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROB. WAS. IT'S THE STATOR COIL. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by georgekathe on 03/21/07 at 10:13:31 good to here you finally solved problem - is it running fine now? |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Greg_650 on 03/21/07 at 10:25:39 jason wrote:
How did you find that out? |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Rockin_John on 03/21/07 at 11:31:18 Greg_650 wrote:
He probably asked real nice. ;) Not to worry, I've already bought one for it. ;D I tested mine with my DVM. It should be good. I have a U-Haul reserved for tomorrow to go pick the bike up! Thanks Jason! |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Greg_650 on 03/21/07 at 13:07:11 Rockin_John wrote:
Your name is Jason, now? |
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Title: Re: pull Post by aussie_biker on 03/21/07 at 19:03:36 jason wrote:
My bike was doing that too.Everything seemed to work but no spark.New coil & cdi = still no spark.Then discovered wiring not quite connected in handlebar switch.Fixed that then nothing worked at all. Found by holding horn switch & playing with earth lead from battery it would work.Hopefully new earth lead will sort things out. |
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Title: Re: pull Post by Rockin_John on 03/21/07 at 21:28:36 aussie_biker wrote:
Sorry to hear such tough luck there bud. Ground (earth) problems are the bane of working with electrons running anywhere down a pipe (wire). Thankfully on bikes we mostly deal with DC circuits and don't have to worry about ghostly problems like ground loops which can cause noise or be downright deadly in some electronic gear. One of my other hobbies is working on and building tube type guitar amplifiers, and it sometimes stuns me how some 'old' designs worked so well, and yet a supposedly modern 'star' ground design can give you fits with noise. Hope the new ground wire solves it all for you. I certainly have personally known it to be the source of all kinds of weird problems on vehicles with more than two wheels. |
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