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Title: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by phasender on 01/09/07 at 13:07:03 I woke up this morning, and the temperature was in the teens, probably in the mid 20's inside the unheated garage. The bike started fine, idled fine, then when I mounted it and pulled it up off the side-stand, it instantly died. So then, I had to crank the engine a lot to get it going, and it sputtered out quickly. Then I turned the idle screw ALL the way in, and managed to keep it going even when it was upright. I was hoping that the problem would go away after it warmed up. On the way to work, 10 min. ride, I was idling REALLY high, but even so, sometimes it would start to sputter and I'd have to give it extra gas to keep it from conking out on me. When I pulled into the parking spot, it was still idling on max, and it died. The last time this happened was a month ago, the last time I tried to run it in sub freezing weather, and I drained my battery just trying to get it to start. WHAT'S GOING ON!!!!! help please? It's my only mode of transportation. It's a '97, 3100 miles, bad solenoid that I have to bypass to start it up, nothing done to the carbs. No leaks. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by mickthelimey on 01/09/07 at 13:32:59 You didn't mention if you are using the Choke,it will need quite a bit on very cold days. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by phasender on 01/09/07 at 13:40:54 I start up with the choke on full. Oh, and the last time I had this problem, I replaced the battery with a big crank, so it Shouldn't be an electrical issue, I hope. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/09/07 at 14:22:49 phasender wrote:
No. Not battery until you run it down. You say teens and 20's? All the way to work? What condition is your gas in? Any Stabil or anti-freeze in the gas? That is definitely cold enough for water to freeze in the gas, and it isn't gonna thaw very quickly. I always ask myself, "what changed?" In your case, it sounds like the weather. After you get her thawed out, get a glass jar, turn the petc0ck to PRI, open the carburetor drain, and drain some gas in the jar. You'll see any water in the bottom if it's there. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by TVR on 01/09/07 at 14:31:45 I think Greg is right. I got some bad gas and could hardly keep it running. Drained about a cup from the carb bowl and it ran fine. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Dynobob on 01/09/07 at 15:03:30 phasender wrote:
Cranking in cold weather will run the battery down quick. A low battery will cause some performance issues. That's my guess. Charge your battery and you should be fine. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by john1652 on 01/09/07 at 15:23:23 i think it's either water or dirt in the carb. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by smokey02 on 01/09/07 at 19:13:26 My 96 has to run on PRI when its colder than 50, runs out of gas if I switch to ON before first couple of miles. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by phasender on 01/09/07 at 19:37:32 I was reading a thread about the petcock, and that seems to be PART of the problem, at least. When I switch it to PRI and turn up the idle just a little, it seems to run mostly ok, though start up is still difficult. I'll try draining the carb tomorrow. Any advice on what to do with the gas, besides pouring it in the storm drain? |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by mickthelimey on 01/10/07 at 00:46:14 phasender wrote:
Take the gas in the yard pile up some wood poor it and light it up,stand by the fire and get warm. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 05:39:26 phasender wrote:
Put it in your neighbor's car. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 05:44:38 Dynobob wrote:
Even if you drain the battery during the start, once it is running a good battery will charge right back up. The alternator and rectifier produce more than enough once it is running. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by TVR on 01/10/07 at 06:42:36 phasender wrote:
It's called "Fun with Gas!" 8) |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 08:04:55 Or "Gas is Fun" :o |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by serowbot on 01/10/07 at 08:55:05 If you think it might be the pethingy, remove the vacuum line and cap off at both the pethingy and the carb, then run on prime. On and reserve with both act as off. If that fixes the problem you need to rebuild or convert your pethingy. good luck |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 10:00:06 Until recently I hadn't heard of a leaking petcock...that was new to me. But has anyone ever had a plugged petcock? |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Dynobob on 01/10/07 at 10:56:30 Greg_650 wrote:
What's a petthingy Greg ? ;D It's a common failure on the Savage. There's a post in the tech section about converting a petc0ck to manual operation. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 11:11:26 Dynobob wrote:
Thanks. I have some catching up to do. I definitely don't want my petcock to get plugged :o |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by thumperclone on 01/10/07 at 11:54:57 condensation in the vacume line to the petc0ck could freeze and shut off gass..running on prime bypasses the vacume circuit i think... |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by phasender on 01/10/07 at 13:06:10 thumperclone wrote:
AND, the vacuum line doesn't really get warm while you're riding in freezing weather, so if that were the problem, I'd experience trouble every time the temperature dropped below 32, and the problem would persist even if the engine warmed up, which is what's happened. Running on PRI seems to solve all the problems. Is it necessary to remove the vacuum line and cap off the ends? Will I run into problems if I don't? Step 1, I'll drain the carbs and cross my fingers. Dumping a little bit of HEET into the gas tank would be bad, correct? |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 13:11:11 thumperclone wrote:
Condensation in the vacuum line? Come on. Just how much water is going to condense out of the air in that small little line considering that the engine was hot (and dry) when it was parked? And if there was condensed water in the line, is it gonna run uphill and gather in the petc0ck? I'll buy the idea of gas leaking down the vacuum line, but just 'cause we can't see in there doesn't mean magical stuff is going on. I'm still betting on water in the gas. Happens all the time, but most of the time it is no problem. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by serowbot on 01/10/07 at 14:51:27 If it's leaking, you'll have to cap it at both ends. If going to prime is fixing your problem, it's not leaking, it's sticking. (maybe due to cold?) then you don't need to cap it and it may be o.k. come summer. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by phasender on 01/10/07 at 20:23:34 Thanks, all. I had a lot of trouble starting it this afternoon, but I also left the petcock on PRI all day, so I'm hoping that that explains it and the bike's still reliable on PRI. Glad that I don't have to pull the tube. I still have to drain the carbs. I tried to do it today, but my screwdriver was too long. I'll wrench it tomorrow and drain the whole thing. I figure that a few days from now either I'll be confident that putting it on PRI will solve all of my problems until summer, or it'll have completely crapped out on me. I'll report back in a few. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by verslagen1 on 01/10/07 at 21:33:51 I've been having a problem with running with it in the on position ever since I got the bike. I use secondary all the time and it runs fine. Had the petc0ck out and completely disassembled didn't spot anything wrong. But I did replace the vacuum hose and it does run ok in the on position but no longer confident in it. Hey I saw a intruder petc0ck on ebay and it looks the same. Anyone know if it's interchangable? |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 11:06:15 As they say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Myself...we have an 00 and 01 with never a petc0ck problem with either one. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Savage_Rob on 01/11/07 at 13:52:33 I have a '98 and I have had no problems with the petc0ck, but maybe I'm lucky. I know I did replace the fuel line and vacuum line right after I bought it. In fact, when I bought an Amal carb, I had to decide whether to convert the petc0ck to ON/OFF/RES or to "make" a vacuum port on the new carb. I decided I like auto-off functionality of the vacuum-actuated petc0ck and modded the carb. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 14:00:36 Savage_Rob wrote:
How was the cable hookup changing from Mikuni to Amal? |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Savage_Rob on 01/11/07 at 14:02:11 Greg_650 wrote:
I think I could have made the original cable work but Lancer supplied a new cable with the carb and it was pretty simple. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 14:05:55 Gotcha.... Time to go out and work on my new batteries :P |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by geo on 01/11/07 at 22:18:57 Why don't you get the H... out of the cold? In Florida we have no income tax. So freeze your butt and pay the tax. |
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Title: Re: Bike doesn't like being upright in the cold Post by Greg_650 on 01/12/07 at 07:49:07 Ah, but the view is too nice here at 25 degrees this AM. |
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