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Title: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Southpaw on 01/08/07 at 17:46:18 Since my tool kit was long gone before I got it, What did the original tool kit for an '04 Savage consist of? J&P cycles has a nice aftermarket kit but it appears to be an inch or so too tall to fit the box. thanks Dan |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by steelwolf on 01/08/07 at 17:54:46 Other than a useless belt tension gauge, I couldn't tell you what was in the factory tool kit. I have never looked in mine. :o Every time I work on the bike I am at home with my "good" tools. I carry tools in my fork bag for road emergencies. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Brewbrother on 01/08/07 at 17:58:45 here is a pic. Not worth a greay pinch of cat sh*t, IMHO. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1190094/ToolKit.JPG |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by bigvl800rider on 01/08/07 at 18:07:17 go to sears.com and order the metric bike tool kit. jp cycles is nice too. get a sissy bar bag and put it in there. factory is junk. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/08/07 at 18:08:58 The plug socket & the big open end that fits the axle nut are about the only ones even remotely useful.My hopes are to find a decent leather tool pouch & just haul decent tools. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by mickthelimey on 01/08/07 at 18:19:19 Like the guys say,the tool kit is C-rap,however it may or may not be a selling point, "Yes Sir! it even has the origional tool kit,and instruction book" ;D |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by clueless on 01/08/07 at 19:22:57 Brewbrother, Thanks for the pic. Never knew what the original looked like! ;D |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by georgekathe on 01/08/07 at 20:44:07 think the photo looks like the original kit but can't see the belt tensioner tool in it. I know some say you don't need it but my 1996 came with it & I have used it & then checked tension using the "twist method" & found them to be identical (but my kit was missing one of the open wrenches & the mickey mouse pliers). |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/08/07 at 21:04:09 Brewbrother wrote:
I like this photo. You will never find an aftermarket toolkit as useless as this one...The only good part here is the plug socket because it is thin walled. But to be fair, and never owning something like a BMW, all toolkits suck. Find a good plug socket, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17 MM wrenches, a short phillips screwdriver and one of those All-in-One pliers tools. Maybe add some electrical tape and a few cable ties. Stick them in a dirty sock and there you go. More than that and you'll just have to call Bubba for his truck. Don't waste money on a replacement. BTW - Really good tools won't fit in that toolkit anyway. Use it for some other stash and put your tools somewhere else. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by stinger on 01/09/07 at 02:46:09 i think the tool set costs like $75 also |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Kropatchek on 01/09/07 at 04:39:00 stinger wrote:
Bet you could buy a decent set of tools for that money! Greetz Kropatchek ;D |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Savage_Rob on 01/09/07 at 06:52:28 Greg_650 wrote:
This one is a good replacement. It's available at http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/tools.htm for $5. http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/images/Plug_wrench_18mm.JPG |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by thumperclone on 01/09/07 at 08:02:58 seen oem style kits for $15..cruztools makes a decent set for about $50 but wont fit in ls 650 tool box.. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Savage Librarian on 01/09/07 at 09:36:24 I think I narrowed mine down to 10 and 12mm socket wrenches, a phillips and a flathead screwdriver, duct tape, an adjustable wrench, and paracord. Then again, my Savage stays pretty close to the home area, so I can usually get someone to pick me and Mr. Hyde up if it's not something simple. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Jim_R on 01/09/07 at 10:26:28 im pretty sure u can pick up an OEM toolkit at www.ronayers.com for $26.71 http://www.ronayers.com/browseparts.cfm?searchstring=09800-21012 tool assembly Part Number: 09800-21012 |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by geo on 01/09/07 at 21:06:16 Years ago 1960's and 1970's the Japs would supply a nice tool kit with their cars. Their cars improved greatly in reliability so they quit supplying tool kits. A tool kit should be supplied with all American cars even today. I suspect the Japs will stop supplying tools with their bikes soon. The bikes are reliable and you don't really need a tool kit. The worst field service problem with a bike is the flat tire. The Savage has a tube type tire. Since you can throw away the tube when the tire is repaired, I wish there was an approved aerosol tube sealer/ air canister we could use to pump up a punctured tire to at least get us home. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/10/07 at 00:40:27 I had no idea it was considered bad form to use Fix A Flat on a tube type tire. I had a flat & had a can sitting there. I used it & it worked. Ran it like thaT for a couple thousand miles, until time to replace the tire. I wish I could find a small size can. I would haul one. I have heard that adding slime to a tire before it gets a hole is a good idea. I think I will do that. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 05:52:50 justin_o_guy wrote:
That is the first time that I've ever heard of anyone inflating a tube tire with Fix a Flat. Where was the puncture? If you just want to inflate a tire, I think there are some CO2 cartridge devices just for that. I change all of my own tires, and would surely hate to have to squeeze all that goo out of the tube just to get it off. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by franch on 01/10/07 at 10:18:19 the 17mm open end is actually usefull in draining the oil. it is short enough to remove the oil drain bolt without the wrench jamming against the floor. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/10/07 at 11:02:55 Greg, I started replacing my own tires & that was the first one I did. The goo I squirted in it did nothing to affect the job of replacing the tire. Maybe another time, a different puncture, & I would have had a mess. I did just replace the tube. Didn't wwant any hassles. I still have that tube & I think it would fix. If something happens to the tube I am running I guess I will have to find out. I wisdh someone would post a link to a good tool bag that doesn't cost $5.00 per square inch.. Sheesh, those little things are pricey. I may be forced to "Rednekk" something up. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 11:18:49 justin_o_guy wrote:
I just figured there'd be a bunch of that FAF in the tube and it would be messy. I know that mechanics like to be warned if you have it in an auto tire. Don't know where I got my rednekk toolbag. Can't remember, but you couldn't get it there anyway :) But I think it only cost about $30, and I keep spare bulbs and all kinds of goodies in it. Even a rag. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/10/07 at 11:24:38 franch wrote:
Yeah, but who changes their oil on the side of the road? :P At home I usually use a 17 MM box end to break it and turn it out with my fingers 'cause I have to get an oil pan under there. ....wait, didn't we have discussion about this before??? Don't some Savages have different size drain plugs? |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by ThumpinSquid on 01/10/07 at 19:29:34 Greg_650 wrote:
Ditto what Justin said. I've used fix-a-flat in just about everything and had no problems. It sets up like rubber cement when it's dry. Tire shops want to know if you've used it because it will spray little flakes of that s### out when they break the tire off the bead and they don't want to get it in their eyes and mouths, since it is a carcinogen. Also, they'll charge you more to clean it off your rim before mounting your new tire. This is just for tubeless auto applications mind you. The manufacturer of Fix-a-Flat doesn't recommend it's use in motorcycles because they don't want the liability of someone using it, having the FAF fail and the rider dying or getting injured and then they or the family suing them. Slime I've also had good luck with, though I've only used it in my mountain bikes. FWIW, I carry a can of Fix-a-Flat in my saddlebag, and I won't hesitate to use it should the occasion arise. ;) |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by verslagen1 on 01/10/07 at 21:45:46 if it sets up hard, it might throw the balence of the tire off if it was parked when it set. out of balence not as bad for a car. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/10/07 at 23:40:53 Ride it as soon as I put it in. I never had a problem with out O ballance. BUT, if I do have aproblem with ballance, I will grin as I wobble down the road. Fixing a flat on the side O the road on a bike with no centersatnd can't be any fun. Have to lay it over I guess. I'll take an out O ballance tire.. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 11:02:38 Okay. I'll think about it. I have cans in my cages, anyway. Never heard it recommended or used in a tube tire before, but that doesn't mean it won't work. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by RadarORiley on 01/11/07 at 13:16:30 Fix a Flat sounds like a better idea than sitting on the side of the road guarding the bike like my ex used to make me do. Where was fix a flat when I needed it? I may have to clean out my saddlebags so there's room for a can. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/11/07 at 20:36:50 Since we started this direction of the thread I remembered I was gonna put slime in my tires before I got a puncture. That's gotta happen. I dunno if I already said this, if so,, sorry. Anyway, if you haven't done it. Do consider it. I looked at the rear tonight, that's gonna be a trick,, |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 20:54:27 RadarORiley wrote:
Well, remember this. FAF is for emergencies. What initially got my attention was the idea that a tire could be ridden on for thousands of miles after using it. Have you ever had a rolling flat on a motorcycle tire? Pretty unnerving. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/11/07 at 21:13:19 Ya know what? I think this is pretty important too.... I have had one rolling flat on the front and one on the rear on a bike. Don't know which seemed worse because they were on different bikes....Both really weird. Unlike a car, a bike tire doesn't hold that much air. Not much chance for a "slow leak". It leaks and it's flat. That's it. I have tires in my truck in which I have used FAF and also installed plugs (I do it myself). Darned nails. No big deal if you know how....Got lots of miles on them since. Not a big deal if 1 of 4 tires blow out while going down the road, IN A TRUCK or CAR. However, before we etch this conversation into the Savage archives, I think that we should also temper it by stating that FAF is a TEMPORARY FIX. You use it to inflate motorcycle tires and then you go home to fix it. On a motorcycle it isn't a long time fix! Just my nickel... |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/11/07 at 21:38:04 *I accept that as a wise decision. I agree. In the future I will do just that. The thing was with me, my shoulders were injured & I just rode the thing. Yep, Thousands O miles. Well,, maybe 1,500 or so, I am not sure. BUT, a prudent motorcycle operator would repair the tire. I should have had it done . Cheap & penny pinching & tires shouldn't be in the same sentence. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Savage_Rob on 01/12/07 at 05:35:54 Does anyone here have personal experience with Slime (http://www.slimesealant.com/)? |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/12/07 at 07:41:29 justin_o_guy wrote:
Hey, got bad shoulders too. I understand :( |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/12/07 at 07:43:05 Savage_Rob wrote:
No, I don't. Of course, I'm an old fart, so I seldom try something new and prefer to stick with what I know. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/12/07 at 08:46:51 I slimed a trailer tire oin one O those little things that go behind a riding lawnmower. It's still stock so it's never seen 10 mph.. & never had over 300 pounds on it for long. I use it to haul firewood around since that's the only heat we have for the house. No problem tho, the slime is holding fine. It's a tubeless. I plan on sliming the bike before it gets any punctures. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Greg_650 on 01/13/07 at 09:57:20 Oh yeah, getting back to the original question about the tool kit.... I thought of this when working with the seat on my bike yesterday....which has to be removed quite often for minor things. Anyway, a few years ago at a bike rally, I remember trying to help another Savage rider remove a seat. The rider had saddle bags installed and only the original toolkit. One thing that we found was that it is darn near impossible to remove the stock 10 MM hex head bolts for the seat if you are using the 10 MM open end wrench that comes in the toolkit, IF you also have saddle bags installed....an unintended consequence of adding goodies. I couldn't help this person either because my toolkit contained allen wrenches since I had changed a majority of my bolts to allen heads. As it turned out, we found a biker with some sockets.... So to sum it up, for this "not so dumb" question, don't just get a toolkit, but make it a better toolkit. Look at your bike and think of tools that would make roadside work easier, too. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Savage_Rob on 01/13/07 at 10:30:07 I usually carry more for longer trips but for everyday stuff I carry a CruzTools Outback'r M14 (image below) and an original Leatherman tool (25 years old and good as new, not available anymore). I also carry the sparkplug tool I mentioned earlier. For a regular pocket knife, I carry a Leatherman Micra. http://www.cruztools.com/Images/OM14a.jpg |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by clueless on 01/13/07 at 10:37:15 I had a flat from a roofing nail in rear tire. Greg is right. A strange feeling trying to corner. I HAD to ride it as I was in the middle of nowhere. Was about on top of the tank trying to keep the weight off the rear. Got to a gas station, bought some FAF. Did absolutely nothing. Needless to say, that ride wasn't that enjoyable. Carry FAF if you want to, but don't expect a whole lot. ;D |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by justin_o_guy on 01/13/07 at 15:40:20 I wonder if the tube shifting arooound with that nail poked in it ripped the tube up so bad the FAF couldn't save it? I dunno what poked mine, It was just a flat one morning, so I didn't ride it flat. That's pretty hard on stuff. I have heard that some tubes are rubber, others pvc & they tear & won't fix w/ FAF. Obviously, this is a situation where" Your mileage May Vary"// |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Southpaw on 01/13/07 at 18:04:39 The Outback'r would make a good addition, I'll have to look into that! When I started this thread, I was mostly wondering what essentials I could get in the locking confines of the original compartment. A front fork bag makes sense when you're with your bike all day, but what about when you leave it in a parking lot to go to work? Unfortunately, where I'm at, if you make it too easy for dishonest people, you might as well hang a sign saying free tools! I'm kind of glad I didn't get that specific, 'cause I got most my questions answered AND got a lot of good information I hadn't counted on. Have I mentioned lately how much I REALLY appreciate this site? ;D |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Reelthing on 01/13/07 at 20:05:07 you can get a fair amount in the lock box - but you may need to ditch most of the oem tools. I'd look at what's in the 95's bag but I'm not very close to it at the moment :( I can - remove the seat, fuel tank open the carb top and bottom, change brake pads, remove front and rear wheel with tools that fit in that bag along with a couple of fusores - you need to test your stuff however- next time your working on the bike use the tool bag tools sand see what you really need - like do you have a long enough allen wrench to reach the carb screws and such. The green slime stuff worked really well in off road tubeless tires for me - sealed up around some pretty big thorns and such - but on a tube tire I doubt it |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Savage_Rob on 01/13/07 at 22:40:17 Reelthing wrote:
I was just curious. They have a type specifically for tube tires. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by sparkett on 01/14/07 at 03:47:23 I would have to say any long range rider should have a spare tube. Back in the day, off road, i hit a dead?. the bone not only made an entry hole, but as I rode it made a series of holes between the rim and rubber. 13 holes in all. FAF isnt up to that challenge.Also this looks like a good buy for a road trip http://www.gadgetjq.com/slime_pump.htm |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Savage_Rob on 01/15/07 at 06:06:51 Yeah, I saw that pump. It's pretty compact and that's good. I already have a CO2 inflator and spare tubes for longer trips but I was only curious as to whether anyone had any experience with Slime in a tube tire. I figured it might be worthwhile as a preventative for daily riding. I may give it a shot anyway. I know they sell it at Harbor Freight. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by serowbot on 01/15/07 at 12:22:21 I used slime in my dp bike and it ended up plugging the shraeder valve and causing a flat. Was so jammed up I almost couldn't get it out, after butchering up the valve I finally pulled out a mega-sized snot-clot 3inch long, and had to replace the shraeder. Only really good for slow leak thorn punctures anyway, I won't use the stuff anymore. |
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Title: Re: Another dumb newbie question... Post by Savage_Rob on 01/15/07 at 12:25:50 Thanks. |
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